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Originally posted by neoholographic
What is it you don't understand??
Provide sources, specifics on exactly which experiment and which detector does this.
I don't recall asking about Geiger counters. You claimed that Bob knows when the particle on his end has a collapsed state due to Alice's measurement. I asked for references to support this claim. You've provided nothing responsive to my specific request. Geiger counters don't help here.
Originally posted by neoholographic
reply to post by Arbitrageur
There's several ways this can happen. You have a Geiger counter that can detect radiation when an atom decays. A light source that emits photons. A magnetic moment when the particle interacts with an external magnetic field. A SPLEED which is a spin-polarization detector and other ways.
If you cite the experiment you're referring to, we will find out, because the experiment should describe how the detector works and then we will have some specifics to discuss. Without a citation of a specific source, it seems apparent to me that you've created a fictional device in your imagination that doesn't exist and has never been used in any experiment. But if I'm wrong and you have a real detector in mind, let's examine how that works.
How do you think these experiments work without a detector LOL???
Quantum dots entangled with single photons
Quantum dots are tiny pieces of semiconductor that are compatible with conventional electronics and therefore offer a practical way forward. Both teams used quantum dots formed at the interface between two different semiconductors. A single electron can become trapped in the dot – and because the dot is so small, the electron inhabits a set of atom-like energy levels.
Quantum information can be stored in the spin of the electron – with "0" corresponding to spin up and "1" to spin down for example. In both the Stanford and ETH experiments the value of the qubit was set to the spin-up state by firing a "pump" laser pulse at the dots. Then, a second laser pulse is fired at the dot, which pops the electron into a higher energy state. This state can then decay to either a spin-up state with the emission of a "blue" vertically polarized photon or a spin-down state and a "red" photon that is horizontally polarized. Red and blue simply refer to the wavelengths of the photons, with the latter shorter than the former.
Detection of single electron spin resonance in a double quantum dot
Spin-dependent transport measurements through a double quantum dot are a valuable tool for detecting both the coherent evolution of the spin state of a single electron, as well as the hybridization of two-electron spin states. In this article, we discuss a model that describes the transport cycle in this regime, including the effects of an oscillating magnetic field (causing electron spin resonance) and the effective nuclear fields on the spin states in the two dots. We numerically calculate the current flow due to the induced spin flips via electron spin resonance, and we study the DETECTOR efficiency for a range of parameters. The experimental data are compared with the model and we find a reasonable agreement.
So they are measuring (or observing) both entangled particles at both ends which is the only way they can determine correlations and prove entanglement. You said this:
Originally posted by neoholographic
physicsworld.com...
In both set-ups the spin of the quantum dot is measured by firing a second laser pulse at the quantum dot. The result involves the emission of a photon with a polarization that is related to the spin state of the quantum dot. By measuring the correlations between the spin-measurement photon and either the colour or polarization of the qubit photon, both teams were able to prove entanglement.
There is nothing in either source about anything like what you refer to as "Bob's device".
Originally posted by neoholographic
If Bob had to make an observation, then it wouldn't be entanglement. You could just say Bob caused a measurement to occur.
The reason Einstein called it spooky action at a distance is because a measurement on one causes a measurement to occur on the other.
Bob's device can register when his particle takes a spin state of up or down.
Originally posted by neoholographic
The beauty in this device is Bob doesn't need to know if it's spin up or spin down because both = the same thing. He just needs to measure spin resonance.
Originally posted by neoholographic
reply to post by dragonridr
This is a lack of understanding of entanglement.
Entanglement occurs because a measurement on one particle cause a measurement to occur on the particle pair. BOB CAN"T BE THE CAUSE OF HIS PARTICLE BEING SPIN UP OR SPIN DOWN!
I keep saying this but you're not willing to take the time to learn.
It's entanglement because Particle A being measured is the cause of Particle B being in a spin state. HOW DO YOU THINK THEY KNOW PARTICLE A BEING MEASURED IS THE CAUSE OF PARTICLE B BEING IN A SPIN STATE IF PARTICLE B CAN"T BE DETECTED?????
What you and others are describing isn't entanglement. Bob can't be the cause of particle B's spin state. If Bob had to carry out a measurement to detect a spin state has occurred then how would you know Alice and not Bob caused the measurement? What you and others are describing isn't entanglement.
Originally posted by neoholographic
reply to post by dragonridr
This is a lack of understanding of entanglement.
Entanglement occurs because a measurement on one particle cause a measurement to occur on the particle pair. BOB CAN"T BE THE CAUSE OF HIS PARTICLE BEING SPIN UP OR SPIN DOWN!
I keep saying this but you're not willing to take the time to learn.
It's entanglement because Particle A being measured is the cause of Particle B being in a spin state. HOW DO YOU THINK THEY KNOW PARTICLE A BEING MEASURED IS THE CAUSE OF PARTICLE B BEING IN A SPIN STATE IF PARTICLE B CAN"T BE DETECTED?????
What you and others are describing isn't entanglement. Bob can't be the cause of particle B's spin state. If Bob had to carry out a measurement to detect a spin state has occurred then how would you know Alice and not Bob caused the measurement? What you and others are describing isn't entanglement.
The reason quantum computers can be faster is not because they operate faster than light speed, it's because they don't have the limitation of binary computers where each data bit must be a 1 or a 0. This link explains the advantage:
Quantum Computing
In October 2012, Nobel Prizes were presented to David J. Wineland and Serge Haroche for their basic work on understanding the quantum world - work which may eventually help make quantum computing possible.
So I don't think the claim about a superfast computer being possible is overstated and they may have made a contribution toward this end if their work is verified in experiment. But that is not a result of FTL communication, which still remains elusive, even in theoretical models, including theirs, as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by neoholographic
There's a difference between knowing which measured state has occurred (spin up/spin down) and detecting that a spin state has occurred.
Provide sources, specifics on exactly which experiment and which detector does this.
Originally posted by alfa1
Originally posted by neoholographic
There's a difference between knowing which measured state has occurred (spin up/spin down) and detecting that a spin state has occurred.
So... we repeat the same question again:
Provide sources, specifics on exactly which experiment and which detector does this.
Dont be vague and say "they all do it" or "there are many ways".
Be specific. Which specific detector?
Dont be vague and say "they all do it" or "there are many ways".
Be specific. Which specific detector?
You've seen something reported that something happens, but you'd need to cite the source for us to have a better description.
Originally posted by Peter Brake
Okay since no one is biting - one way that the communication can be received without looking, is waiting for the photon to dissipate. I've seen it reported that after reading the orientation of a particle they quickly disperse. Presumably this means that the other of the pair would also dissipate. The orientation or spin direction (given a healthy number of photons) becomes irrelevant, the important information is which photon pair has been looked at and this is known by which photon has dispersed.
That's really the bottom line, until someone comes up with a new experiment that demonstrates otherwise, which may happen or it may never happen. We don't know.
Originally posted by yampa
afaik, 80 years of research into entanglement and the bps of this experiment is still 0bps.
Originally posted by Peter Brake
Dont be vague and say "they all do it" or "there are many ways".
Be specific. Which specific detector?
He's a lot like a particle he doesn't like to be nailed down either. And he's deffinately in his waveform function at the moment.
You've seen something reported that something happens, but you'd need to cite the source for us to have a better description.
Originally posted by Peter Brake
Originally posted by Peter Brake
You've seen something reported that something happens, but you'd need to cite the source for us to have a better description.
Originally posted by Peter Brake