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posted on May, 7 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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Christmas used to be a pagan holiday...which was stolen from Christianity. Before those religions, christmas (dec 21) was a holiday for the old religion to celebrate the winter solstice. To answer your title...I don't know if it's satantic because satan is just as real as santa claus. Depends on what you believe in I guess.
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posted on May, 7 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by TheBlackHat
Santa is an anagram of Satan





posted on May, 7 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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Not Satanic. I suggest you actually look into the beginnings of Christmas and old Yule.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 02:53 PM
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Does the phrase "Cognitive dissonance" mean anything to you? In any case, I'm going to need sources for every single allegation in that list of yours.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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Santa Claus actually has more to do with hallucinogenic mushrooms and pagan shamans than Satan.

www.livescience.com...
www.cannabisculture.com...

When the merger between Christians and Pagans gradually happen, the traditions of the Pagans were kept along with the beliefs of the Christians. Most Christian holidays are altered pagan rituals. Pagan gods were deemed "Satan" by Christian leaders - So in a weird religious fundamental logic, Christmas is satanic holiday.

lol



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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Actually, Jesus if he did exists, was born in the summer time. They only moved his birth date to coincide with the pagan ritual. So the ones guilty of perpetuating this lie are the ones who literally invented the "religion" millions are so foolishly following.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 03:27 PM
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It's funny because all of these people making such a big deal out of Christmas and other pagan traditions have no idea that pagans practiced prayer before Christianity ever touched it, technically qualifying every prayer as a form of witchcraft. It doesn't matter who you pray to, you are performing a pagan practice and therefore subject to the same penalties as any witch.

But "God" apparently feels that those who perform witchcraft to his benefit are exempt from such a fate.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 06:15 PM
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Just to clarify..as usual this thread is just a theory of mine..so no offence intended to anyone...secondly the main point i'd like to make about Satan and the word satanic, is this. i do not believe in a horned devil who lives under the ground. To be satanic, in my opinion simply means to worship earthly and material things. remember Jesus rejected earthly things, stayed celibate and even gave his life without a fight. this was his message to us, just the same as Buddha, in my humble opinion.

Capitalism, is an ideology of doing whatever is required in order to gain profits. This striving to gain profits for the few, comes at the expense of the many..It also drives a wedge of inequality between people that helps to break society and fill it with frustration, greed envy and anger and that's just the emotional conditions it causes...

Look at the deep water horizon for an example and the massive and untold environmental damage that capitalism has caused, then look at the untold misery caused by the oil wars..And just recently we saw with the sweat shop disaster in Asia, where many low paid workers died due to slave driving bosses who knew the building was likely to collapse. And those workers were making clothing destined for the west. In fact globalization is simply the capitalist model writ large, where the few exploit the many. This is what Satanism is, because it is the opposite of what Christ taught, a message of equality for all, and many Christians wont like it but it was a left wing socialist message, we even depict Jesus a long haired radical..Yet most members of the republican party call themselves Christians, people who even opposed universal health care..well can you imagine Jesus opposing free health care for all??? of course not..I wont even start on the Democrats, but at least they pretend to be more caring... You simply cannot be a hard faced capitalist and be a Christian, except in name. And Christmas is the biggest capitalist celebration of the year, with cash registers ringing louder than church bells.

Most people recognize the hypocrisy of the materialist Christmas, as it has become more and more commercialised in the last 30 years. Where the image of Santa dominates far more than the image of Christ, you will be hard pushed to find a religious Christmas card in most stores these days even.

The symbolism of Christmas cannot be ignore, especially the tree of life. As i said we know Christmas was the merging of old celtic/ pagan beliefs with Christian ones...I do not believe these pagan beliefs were at all satanic, as I already stated what my take on satanism is. You only need to recognize they revered the evergreen, tree of life, to see they understood what is important, staying the same in an ever changing world, staying true to your roots. The old pagan beliefs were connected to the natural world, not the man made world of things and our rampant desire to acquire power, possessions, fast food, multiple partners, drugs, etc. This is the modern day satanic lifestyle, wholly promoted by the TV etc. its not only a mentally unhealthy life, but a physically unhealthy one too and it also has a wider impact on the whole of society, where people think of nobody but their own selfish desires and wants...they don't pray or worship some horned devil, many of them call themselves Christians in fact. This is my real point about Christmas being their festival, a satanic ritual. I do not believe in a hell after we die, but leading a satanic life puts you into a mental hell during life and sometimes a physical hell too, look at obesity and drug addiction for examples of that.

The fact we cut down a specific tree, that was revered due to the fact that it represented everlasting life, should be a huge red flag to how we have gone very wrong in our take on what Christianity is. as i said in my other thread "Christianity cracked?" Christianity is a personality cult. People revere and worship Jesus the man God, when it was supposed to be his example we followed and not his image. This is also yet another example of idol worship, another no no in Christianity.




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posted on May, 7 2013 @ 07:12 PM
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No, just... no.
It's a pagan holiday that the church adopted to convert more pagans to Christianity.

Like seriously, in imagining this load of B.S. you never once thought to actually look up the relationship that Christian holidays have to their pagan counterparts?
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posted on May, 7 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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Pagan beliefs cannot be satanic, WTF? A pagan religion is non-Abrahamic, there is no Satan in pagan religion.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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In the eyes of the fundamentalists, any religion that does not recognize both the Abrahamic god and the doctrine of said god is the fruit of Satan and therefore subject to the most severe of penalties, including forcible conversion and death.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by ElohimJD
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100% correct and excellent OP.

Add to your findings:
-The "yule log" (child sacrifice in the fire, yule = boy)
-The circle Reath (sungod)
-Mistle Toe
-Ginger Bread Cookies (children burnt offerings)
-8 reindeer (8 legged horse of Odin/Satan)
-Winter Solstice rebirth-day of the Sun god Tammutz (evergreen tree)
-12 days of Christmas (12 days of the winter "yule" festival of Tammutz/Baal)
-Scripture specifically attributes cutting down a tree, bringing it into your home, decorating it with "gold" and "lights" and nailing it upright as worship to pagan Gods more then 500 years before Jesus Chrsit was born.

Those who follow God and His son Jesus Christ do not keep the Satanic day of the "Mass of Christ", a day in which Satan mocks much of God's truth in the worst possible manner.

Now look into easter (Goddess Easter/Aeoster/Ishtar) and find more of the same. God's poeple keep the Passover, as Christ did, not Easter.

Keep it up OP, this is a major understanding many "christians" never are willing to grasp.

God Bless,
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Thats complete made up nonsense, The Yule log is an old Anglo Saxan tradition, the Anglo Saxans didnt commit child sacrifice, they were Christian for the most part but even before they converted there is no evidence of child sacrifice in their culture or archaeological record. Pagan Anglo Saxans didnt worship Tammutz/Baal

Everything you have posted there are old Pagan traditions that predate Satan/Christianity .

Easter is the spring equinox thats why the Pagans had a fesitval at that time as they did for all the equinox's it has nothing to do with Satan and all to do with Nature, Death and rebirth farming and the growing of crops.

The number 12 is found everywhere in ancient culture as it refers to the 12 constalations of the Zodiac, nothing else to that really either. nothing satanic about observing the stars.

Odin has nothing to do with Satan,

Your post is a classic example of cherry picking.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
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Pagan beliefs cannot be satanic, WTF? A pagan religion is non-Abrahamic, there is no Satan in pagan religion.


"I do not believe these pagan beliefs were at all satanic" you need to reread my post before you go on the attack, makes you look stupid otherwise.

I already stated that Christmas was originally a pagan festival, one that was adopted by Christianity...How can you make out I didn't already state this..especially when I mentioned the pagan tree of life still being used today????? I didn't say the tree was satanic, i said the way we use it is satanic, because we kill it.

I also pointed out the connection between the pagans tree of life, and Christs rising from the dead. It's you who is not reading what i wrote, instead you have it in your head that I attacked paganism. I don't know where you got your confrontational stand point from, but it isn't from anything I wrote.

No wonder the world is full of conflicts even between people who supposedly share the same religions, if someone like you can take the opposite meaning from what I thought were pretty straight forward words.
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posted on May, 7 2013 @ 08:23 PM
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I went to a satanic ritual once but no one ever gave me any presents.

Was I ripped off or what?




posted on May, 7 2013 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by auraelium

Originally posted by ElohimJD
reply to post by TheBlackHat
 


100% correct and excellent OP.

Add to your findings:
-The "yule log" (child sacrifice in the fire, yule = boy)
-The circle Reath (sungod)
-Mistle Toe
-Ginger Bread Cookies (children burnt offerings)
-8 reindeer (8 legged horse of Odin/Satan)
-Winter Solstice rebirth-day of the Sun god Tammutz (evergreen tree)
-12 days of Christmas (12 days of the winter "yule" festival of Tammutz/Baal)
-Scripture specifically attributes cutting down a tree, bringing it into your home, decorating it with "gold" and "lights" and nailing it upright as worship to pagan Gods more then 500 years before Jesus Chrsit was born.

Those who follow God and His son Jesus Christ do not keep the Satanic day of the "Mass of Christ", a day in which Satan mocks much of God's truth in the worst possible manner.

Now look into easter (Goddess Easter/Aeoster/Ishtar) and find more of the same. God's poeple keep the Passover, as Christ did, not Easter.

Keep it up OP, this is a major understanding many "christians" never are willing to grasp.

God Bless,
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Thats complete made up nonsense, The Yule log is an old Anglo Saxan tradition, the Anglo Saxans didnt commit child sacrifice, they were Christian for the most part but even before they converted there is no evidence of child sacrifice in their culture or archaeological record. Pagan Anglo Saxans didnt worship Tammutz/Baal

Everything you have posted there are old Pagan traditions that predate Satan/Christianity .

Easter is the spring equinox thats why the Pagans had a fesitval at that time as they did for all the equinox's it has nothing to do with Satan and all to do with Nature, Death and rebirth farming and the growing of crops.

The number 12 is found everywhere in ancient culture as it refers to the 12 constalations of the Zodiac, nothing else to that really either. nothing satanic about observing the stars.

Odin has nothing to do with Satan,

Your post is a classic example of cherry picking.


Well i am not going to debate on ancient history too much, I wasn't there to witness anything at any rate and historical "facts" have a way of being overwritten continually...but I have heard before how much of Christianity was really a reconstruction of Roman paganism...much like you have stated, with the zodiac = 12 apostles etc. And obviously the Emperor Constantine pretty much editing and replacing his version of whatever the original Christianity was to replace the old Roman paganism.

Also the rebirth of the environment during spring and Easter is an obvious link. What I also believe is that the cycle of death and rebirth in nature, most noticeably seen in plants and trees, with the shedding of leaves in the fall and the blossoming of flowers and buds in spring... This is not literal death and rebirth but it is symbolic of course of the continual cycle of life. this is why the evergreen was revered, because it seemingly escapes the cycle of death and rebirth.

If we then think again about Jesus and the message of life everlasting, what I really believe the message is, is one of escaping the cycle of death and rebirth, just the same as Buddha, and the symbolism of the evergreen tree.

I believe this message is pretty simple to understand, but it has been warped, turned into a personality cult, and modern Christians aspire to only do good deeds in order to get reward points with a physical God in order to get into a perfect heaven world...this is a perversion of Christianity. The modern view of heaven in our culture is a place where we literally go and live much as we do on earth, where we meet our long dead friends and relatives... I have never seen anything in the Bible that describes heaven as such. The only thing said to be imortal is the soul, yet we have no concept of what the soul is, but one thing I do know and that is the human mind is not immortal as it is a condition of the human brain and the brain decays and dies just like the rest of the mortal body. Without a mind you cannot remember or experience a heaven. this is what i think so called Christians miss by a million miles, because they are so warped by a culture that even cuts down the tree of life in the name of celebrating life everlasting...dumb much

If the tree of life represents the escaping of the cycle of death and birth..then it simply means to stay the same way in life. Stay true to yourself, be yourself. Do not be swayed by outside influences or fleeting fashions. Do not give in or allow petty emotions to control you or lead you into warped behaviors or ways of living. because this leads to change, change of our minds and our bodies. just look at obesity or drug addiction for examples of this. We all die, literally, but we do not all live. That is what i understand the message of Christianity is. Jesus did not compromise on anything, he died for his uncompromising ways, but he also truly lived the life he wanted to live. that is living as opposed to existing or going through the motions..of a 9-5 grind for example.

To live fully and freely is to not be attached to anything in the world, that includes people, remember Jesus was celibate, Buddha walked out on his wife or was it wives?? At any rate the giving up of pleasures and desires is central to keeping a mind free of attachments, and a mind free from attachments is a mind that is clear and at peace..aka nirvana or heaven in the head or being close to god..its all the same thing to me. Getting closer to our natural mental state, because the man made world is not natural, and even though we are born into civilization and help create it, it doesn't mean it is our natural setting or that our minds adapt to it in a healthy way.

The basic message is to stay the same in an ever changing world. This is Christianity.
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posted on May, 7 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by MadMax7
I went to a satanic ritual once but no one ever gave me any presents.

Was I ripped off or what?


Man, you went to the wrong rituals.

I always at least got a T-Shirt or a keychain. This one year, at Black mass everyone got a Fondue maker in the shape of a Goat head. It was really cute.

I too thought the presents were..Shall we say, underwhelming (considering the Illuminati could afford better gifts quite easily) but I didnt complain.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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This thread is interesting to me because I am about to have a kid. She will be born this summer and I have often wondered what I would tell her about Christmas. My wife and I are not religious and I personally do not like the idea of religion, or lying of any type, even Santa lies.

So, I'm thinking, and please let me know if this is going to be a big mistake, but I'm thinking of saying this:

Her: what's Santa?
Me: listen baby, Santa is a story that only little kids get to enjoy

Her: what do you mean? only little kids, why?
Me: well, a long long time ago when people where first starting out, part of the rules put forth from our creators that created us using genetics and various living materials found on this planet- made rules for us to obey. You see, we were slaves so to speak, designed and built to mine the entire planet of all of its gold.

Her: but what's that got to do with Santa daddy?
Me: I'm getting to that dear, please don't interrupt me.
Her: I'm sorry daddy
Me: that's ok

Me: anyways, we were told not to do certain things. And one of those things we were told not to do is to eat the "forbidden fruit". This "fruit" was the mushroom that we call amanita muscaria. This mushroom looks a lot like Santa claus, don't you think? (showing her an image on my computer)
Her: it does daddy, it does!

Me: anyways, this "magic" mushroom when taken causes extreme hallucinations and sometimes extraordinary bursts of strength
Her: wow, really?
Me: daddy would never lie to you baby

Me: anyways, when the early humans ate this mushroom, they gained insight and a giant leap forward with critical thinking, etc. We soon realized that we were special and more than just a common animal somehow...
Her: um-kay, cool, but what about Santa?

Me: well, Santa's visual image comes from this mushroom. And theres more. Flash forward to a thousand years ago. In Siberia, another part of this world where these mushrooms grow, there where shaman that looked a lot like Santa is supposed to look. These shaman picked these mushrooms all year and dried them out so they could be eaten and "enjoyed". During the long cold winters, the snow would cove the houses and the only way in or out was through the chimney.
Her: wait daddy, are you serious?
Me: yes, google it. and what did I say about interrupting me??

Me: anyways, these shaman would ride into town, on a reindeer, and pass out mushrooms to the villagers. He would often trade these for other types of food. The shaman would come down the peoples chimneys and deliver his goods. The villagers always looked forward to the shaman that would come to town and help everyone "trip" through the coldest months.
Her: wow

Me: also, dear, in the northern areas of the arctic circle, reindeer have been known to eat these mushrooms and "dance" and "fly" about wildly as they hallucinated. Just like Santa's flying reindeer.
Her: wow, so kewl!

Me: so you see dear, santa is a very ancient story, a story that begins all of the back to the "garden of eden" Pretty cool huh babe?
Her: totally!




So that is how I see it going down.

Or should I just stick to, you better be good or else Santa won't come, and watch these Christmas movies for more info, see ya, I'm going fishing, be good! or else. ?

Here is a pic of an early christian fresco showing the garden of eden. Notice the giant mushroom as the "tree of knowledge" or the "forbidden fruit".





It seems "Santa" has been around a lot long than "Baby Jesus"

Who's hijacking who's religion?



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by FinalCountdown
This thread is interesting to me because I am about to have a kid. She will be born this summer and I have often wondered what I would tell her about Christmas. My wife and I are not religious and I personally do not like the idea of religion, or lying of any type, even Santa lies.

So, I'm thinking, and please let me know if this is going to be a big mistake, but I'm thinking of saying this:

Her: what's Santa?
Me: listen baby, Santa is a story that only little kids get to enjoy

Her: what do you mean? only little kids, why?
Me: well, a long long time ago when people where first starting out, part of the rules put forth from our creators that created us using genetics and various living materials found on this planet- made rules for us to obey. You see, we were slaves so to speak, designed and built to mine the entire planet of all of its gold.

Her: but what's that got to do with Santa daddy?
Me: I'm getting to that dear, please don't interrupt me.
Her: I'm sorry daddy
Me: that's ok

Me: anyways, we were told not to do certain things. And one of those things we were told not to do is to eat the "forbidden fruit". This "fruit" was the mushroom that we call amanita muscaria. This mushroom looks a lot like Santa claus, don't you think? (showing her an image on my computer)
Her: it does daddy, it does!

Me: anyways, this "magic" mushroom when taken causes extreme hallucinations and sometimes extraordinary bursts of strength
Her: wow, really?
Me: daddy would never lie to you baby

Me: anyways, when the early humans ate this mushroom, they gained insight and a giant leap forward with critical thinking, etc. We soon realized that we were special and more than just a common animal somehow...
Her: um-kay, cool, but what about Santa?

Me: well, Santa's visual image comes from this mushroom. And theres more. Flash forward to a thousand years ago. In Siberia, another part of this world where these mushrooms grow, there where shaman that looked a lot like Santa is supposed to look. These shaman picked these mushrooms all year and dried them out so they could be eaten and "enjoyed". During the long cold winters, the snow would cove the houses and the only way in or out was through the chimney.
Her: wait daddy, are you serious?
Me: yes, google it. and what did I say about interrupting me??

Me: anyways, these shaman would ride into town, on a reindeer, and pass out mushrooms to the villagers. He would often trade these for other types of food. The shaman would come down the peoples chimneys and deliver his goods. The villagers always looked forward to the shaman that would come to town and help everyone "trip" through the coldest months.
Her: wow

Me: also, dear, in the northern areas of the arctic circle, reindeer have been known to eat these mushrooms and "dance" and "fly" about wildly as they hallucinated. Just like Santa's flying reindeer.
Her: wow, so kewl!

Me: so you see dear, santa is a very ancient story, a story that begins all of the back to the "garden of eden" Pretty cool huh babe?
Her: totally!




So that is how I see it going down.

Or should I just stick to, you better be good or else Santa won't come, and watch these Christmas movies for more info, see ya, I'm going fishing, be good! or else. ?

Here is a pic of an early christian fresco showing the garden of eden. Notice the giant mushroom as the "tree of knowledge" or the "forbidden fruit".





It seems "Santa" has been around a lot long than "Baby Jesus"

Who's hijacking who's religion?

Please...Please record this conversation. =)

Also Please (if you were being serious) dont take Christmas from your little Girl- Give her Santa, Elves and the wonderful fantasy that goes along with it- The waiting for Santa to come down the chimney, Milk and Cookies (with a bite taken out in the morning) making sure to leave a carrot for Rudolf.

It isnt a "lie"IMO, but part of the initiation into growing up. There is plenty of times for facts, but those memories have a very short time.

My buddy is a jehovas witness and our kids grew up together (I think its all fairy tales) and I saw how "robbed" his boys were and it was sad. You have, at best 9 years to have those "Santa Christmases"-

-Who cares where any of it came from- To me, Christmas is about families and friends , exchanging gifts, being charitable and SANTA CLAUSE. Its about Mickey Mouse ornaments and A multi-colored lighted tree- Its about baileys and coffee, home made fudge and Italian Sausage. Its a cold winter day with a fire and the warmth of those you love...And Santa Clause. =P

I could care if Satan or Stalin or Hitler created the Holiday- it has morphed into what it is now, to us- If it was originally about sacrificing three toed Chickens- It isnt anymore.



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 09:56 PM
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The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions are the bloodiest of all religions that have been, are, or probably ever will be! How "satanic" is that! The "Old Path" originated in the obsevation of the natural rythms and cycles of life. How "Godly" is That!!!



posted on May, 7 2013 @ 10:27 PM
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The Christian adaptation of (Christmas) was originally a (winter solstice) celebration of the feminine who gives birth to the sun or a masculine fertility figure. This was celebrated often with processions of light, fires and tree decorating.

The (winter season) was also considered a time of honoring and nurturing creativity and inspiration. There were festivals of light.

These were the (pagan traditions) in the past. I personally do not think that Christmas is a satanic ritual.





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