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Originally posted by Gazrok
EDIT - Sorry BH, I'm still trying to figure out how, but somehow it EDITED your post instead of copying it to use for quotes. I tried to go back in the browser, but alas. My apologies. - Gazrok.
SO, not agreeing with something the NRA does means one is brainwashed? Good lord, so many of you cant get one line into the conversation without turning it into a juvenile attack.
Wow, the op is so brainwashed
Does this have anything to do with the topic at hand? Did I not make it clear that I am a gun owner myself? Can you not separate the idea of disagreeing with the NRA from being anti-gun? Its funny, I get called brainwashed, yet people like you carry on a pattern of programmed response when it comes to ANY criticism of the NRA. Ironic, really.
I go to sleep every night and guess what? None of my guns magically grew legs and decide on their own to do something bad
. I'm sick of this mentality that guns are only for killing.
So do I. What is your point and how is it relative to this topic?
They are a great hobby, I go to a shooting range and shoot at paper, steel and clay..
Interesting thread. I find it quite heinous to market anything to children. Children should not be making those kinds of decisions without parental oversight.
Not just sugar, but processed sugar. The worst possible kind.
Any of the breakfast cereals that DIRECTLY advertise to children are a good example. How many people's lives have been adversely affected by the ingestion of copious amounts of sugar? Diabetes, blindness; even death due to the long term effects of excessive sugar consumption. Not to mention the staggering costs involved in the treatment of those ailments. Side note: Did you know that the "fat" removed from so called "healthy" fat free foods is replaced by sugar?
This is true, though there are regulations in place, such as the food pyramid, that are there to at least promote knowledge
And I have NEVER seen the sugar lobby make any effort to train people in the safe and proper way of consuming their product.
This thread is about a specific article that I came across, which is why it is focused on guns, as they were the topic of that article. As I have already stated, numerous times in this thread, I feel that the targeting of children as a marketing subgroup is disgusting, whether it be the NRA, The Obama Admin, or consumer goods.
The OP seems only concerned about guns, though. Which begs the question: "Does captaintyinknots feel as outraged about other products, known to be dangerous if not handled properly, being marketed to kids?"
Ive made it quite clear multiple times, so no worries.
If so, we are in agreement. If not, I find his failure to be as outraged about, say, the sugar lobby pushin' their product at kids, as he is about guns to be quite.........illogical........ and very telling.
I think its been made clear.
One need not say the actual words to convey the meaning and intent of the argument. Words are but a tiny fraction of the means humans employ to communicate. Op, how DO you feel about the unrestrained hawking of dangerous products to kids? Or do you just think the problem is confined to guns?
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Good lord, so many of you cant get one line into the conversation without turning it into a juvenile attack.
At this point I honestly regret making this thread. I truly thought that a decent conversation could be had on this subject, because it is not about gun control. It is about the way guns are marketed in this country. I thought, even differing views could be discussed in an adult manner.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by captaintyinknots
This is precisely why the discussions on this topic here will never go anywhere. If you say ONE THING against the NRA, you are labeled as "anti-gun" (and assumed to be rabid) and if you say ONE THING supporting the second amendment, you're labeled as "pro-gun" (and assumed to be rabid)... There is no room for someone who doesn't buy either extreme. I'm tired of being slammed into the "anti-gun" extremist camp just because I think it's stupid to give a 3-year-old a lifetime membership to the NRA.
I wonder why I even open these threads...
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Good lord, so many of you cant get one line into the conversation without turning it into a juvenile attack.
This is precisely why the discussions on this topic here will never go anywhere. If you say ONE THING against the NRA, you are labeled as "anti-gun" (and assumed to be rabid) and if you say ONE THING supporting the second amendment, you're labeled as "pro-gun" (and assumed to be rabid)... There is no room for someone who doesn't buy either extreme. I'm tired of being slammed into the "anti-gun" extremist camp just because I think it's stupid to give a 3-year-old a lifetime membership to the NRA.
I wonder why I even open these threads...
1: Treat all firearms as loaded
2: Never put your finger on the trigger unless you intend to fire the weapon
3: Never aim at what you are not willing to kill.
Unfortunately, those basic rules are not always taught to young children (even when people retain firearms in the home) and it leads to accidental deaths.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Seems like a certain segment of the population is using their children to make a political point. Bravo! I wonder how people would feel if these parents were sticking cigarettes in the mouths of their 4-year-olds to show that they have the freedom to do so...
Originally posted by neo96
Mean like those people who marched kids on stage, and say here pass the bill to make them 'safer' ??
I hope you see that that is not what bothers me, but rather the overall stigma that the NRA is pushing these days.
This is about creating another generation of brand-loyal gun consumers. Look again. Its all sponsored by crimson trace and other manufacturers.
On top of that, I find it to be HIGHLY irresponsible to put handguns in children this young's hands. I find it even more irresponsible to market these things to kids.
And, third, no, I dont think it is a good thing to continue to perpetuate the current culture on guns-that is, that they are cool, that they are hip, that they are anything but a tool that is all about life or death.
The LOUD pro-gun crowd is just on wrong on the subject as the anti-gun crowd. Both are extreme positions.
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by spock51
Interesting thread. I find it quite heinous to market anything to children. Children should not be making those kinds of decisions without parental oversight.
I agree 100%.
Not just sugar, but processed sugar. The worst possible kind.
Any of the breakfast cereals that DIRECTLY advertise to children are a good example. How many people's lives have been adversely affected by the ingestion of copious amounts of sugar? Diabetes, blindness; even death due to the long term effects of excessive sugar consumption. Not to mention the staggering costs involved in the treatment of those ailments. Side note: Did you know that the "fat" removed from so called "healthy" fat free foods is replaced by sugar?
This is true, though there are regulations in place, such as the food pyramid, that are there to at least promote knowledge
And I have NEVER seen the sugar lobby make any effort to train people in the safe and proper way of consuming their product.
This thread is about a specific article that I came across, which is why it is focused on guns, as they were the topic of that article. As I have already stated, numerous times in this thread, I feel that the targeting of children as a marketing subgroup is disgusting, whether it be the NRA, The Obama Admin, or consumer goods.
The OP seems only concerned about guns, though. Which begs the question: "Does captaintyinknots feel as outraged about other products, known to be dangerous if not handled properly, being marketed to kids?"
Ive made it quite clear multiple times, so no worries.
If so, we are in agreement. If not, I find his failure to be as outraged about, say, the sugar lobby pushin' their product at kids, as he is about guns to be quite.........illogical........ and very telling.
I think its been made clear.
One need not say the actual words to convey the meaning and intent of the argument. Words are but a tiny fraction of the means humans employ to communicate. Op, how DO you feel about the unrestrained hawking of dangerous products to kids? Or do you just think the problem is confined to guns?
They are a lobbyist group.
The extremists really make it hard to be moderate on issues anymore.
I am not saying children should not be taught about guns.
I'm tired of being slammed into the "anti-gun" extremist camp just because I think it's stupid to give a 3-year-old a lifetime membership to the NRA.