Adobe kills Creative Suite, goes subscription-only!

after years downloading software and never paying for it that for every high priced, high end program i've come to realize that there is an equal and most times a better free open source program alternative and adobe, especially adobe.

they should be arrested for their pricing but i'm sure this is just another attempt at trying to avoid the software crackers so i say good luck to them but for every new technology that comes around there's a new breed of crackers so i'm sure there will be a workaround for this to.

by the way.. i donate regularly to the programers and developers who offer their software free, for the programs i use and love that is.. my newest find is awesome! check it out if you haven't heard of it, it's been around a while but i've never needed anything that does this until recently.

Blender

Blender is 3D creation for everyone, free to use for any purpose.
Free Software, great community, and 100% open.

reply to post by n3mesis


Blenders been around for quite a while indeed, since 1995 according to Wikipedia. Although personally didn't use it until around 2007. Good software, although don't really see it as an Adobe replacement, more maybe towards Autodesk users. Maybe Adobe has some 3D modelling software as well, I've just never heard of it.

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Adobe has always sucked, I have been using Corel Draw since version 3.
I have always found it much simpler to use however I do use Illustrator CS3 for some things.
The only reason I bought CS3 was a few my customers started supplying me with AI files so I had no choice at the time.
Corel Draw X6 handles adobe files fine, although my graphic design work is in the print field, I know quite a few

Well, I have a serious question. What in the Corel package compares to After Effects and Photoshop CS-6? After Effects in any way ..and PS-6 in the specific image editing tools and ease of working with complex operations in depth? Are there any open source or cheap alternatives to After Effects for advanced motion animation on a comparable level? I'm not personally aware ..but then, that is why I'm honestly asking?

As for Corel.. I'd agree with someone else here in noting, they are anything but a small fish. They charge less than Adobe and they specialize in an area that Adobe doesn't as an exclusive specialty, but small fish isn't how I'd term it. I do have parts of Corel on my system though. I have to. I've got Corel Draw clip art that I treasure and it's not so easy to find things which will open and work with the older stuff. Among what I've got is the full clip art collection from Corel 5. (grin) Now, some things in life just can't get a price put on them, eh?

Blender is to Max what GIMP is to Photoshop... no thats insulting to the GIMP. Blender is to Max what MS Paint is to Phoroshop.

I seriously hope Adobe never get into the 3D game. Who will the buy out first Newtek or AutoDesk???

Originally posted by cartenz
Blender is to Max what GIMP is to Photoshop... no thats insulting to the GIMP. Blender is to Max what MS Paint is to Phoroshop.

I seriously hope Adobe never get into the 3D game. Who will the buy out first Newtek or AutoDesk???

Bite your tounge don't give them ideas....

Leave my Newtek alone

Originally posted by WaterBottle
reply to post by boncho

 

Sure he doesn't "own" it... But, a car is a depreciating commodity, it's a liability, there's nothing prestigious or beneficial about owning one. Because they just lose value.

You cannot even drive a leased car as you wish because of the mileage limits the owner puts on the car.......unless you want to pay out huge penalties. You have no freedom with a lease... You're also still responsible for the maintenance costs of a car you do not own.

And yeah, there is something prestigious about owning a car that you paid for....at the end of the day you have a car with no monthly payments.

edit on 7-5-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)

There's that whole "ownership" thing again. Where you think owning depreciating goods is beneficial somehow. And it's actually quite the opposite, maintenance and warranties are covered in many more aspects with a lease, you are right about miles though. If you are putting on 50,000+ on the odometer, it may be better to buy, that is of course because you are only paying for depreciation which miles account for much.

And, in the example I pointed out, there is something far more prestigious of constantly driving a model that is never more than 2 years old. Yes, you might get the car in your title, but it's now 6 years old, and you're paying the same amount as the guy with the lease.

Out of all the people I know, the one's jealousy comes out for are the ones with the constant late model drivers. Just like on here, some still claim "CS3 is like the best model ever made man", yup sure, but I have my CS6 and Im quite happy with it. To each his own...

yeah i never meant to mean Blender as a alternative for any Adobe product i was merely just putting it out there for anyone like me who may need a 3D program and has never thought to try it.. i was amazed at it's power and so excited to find something so good with a "free" price tag.

...and to mention that there is usually an open source program as an alternative for just about every single high priced program you may be considering plunking down a lot of cash for so i highly suggest searching the net before you have to take a loan out for some crazy high priced software.

i do however realize that professionals, people who make their living, who may have went to school for a career in art/design need to own certain software though and maybe alternatives aren't an option but i still suggest trying the open source route anyway.

I do not understand why Adobe thinks everyone is connected to the internet 24/7. Maybe they think that only professionals should use their products?

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Prestige huh? Anyone who pays money for prestige deserves what they pay for.

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I like Corel Draw. It IS more "friendly". Less robust. I havent usedit since 2005.

I saw a Craigslist ad for a desktop computer the other day... The poster included in the info that it comes with Microsoft Paint.

LoL

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by KingIcarus

 

I can agree with that, 100%. My school hadn't updated to CS-6 until the spring semester. Unforgivable. The reason was funding. I have it on a good source at the school, they were facing an upgrade cost from 5.5 to 6 of roughly $70,000 for the site license which covers the classrooms using it. That's one HECK of a chunk of change for a small community college to shoulder. It's among the lowest priced schools in Missouri and a major feeder school to the 4 year Universities for precisely that reason. So, without this? Well, the Fall semester was gimped...and I don't mean the software program. I mean screwed. I happened to get CS-6 over summer just to find my After Effects class was still on 5.5.

After Effects CS-6 files ARE NOT backward compatible with CS 5.5. It made my investment worthless. This will solve that, if nothing else.

Yeah, but I can't see a single reason to even upgrade from 5.5 to 6. Adobe has been updating the suite every year, and every time there are few if any additions that warrant such an expensive upgrade fee.

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In general reference, I saw two reasons. One is cheesy for what Adobe did and the other is a major thing to my thinking. The first was the fact After Effects files made in 6 don't save back to 5. They'll go to 5.5, but not necessarily in any clean and reliable way. This, we all found out the hard way in my Motion Animation course. When it's making a youtube or something at home? Such a thing may not matter too much and there are work arounds. When it's on a deadline for letter grade or at a commercial art house? Well....Off to CS-6 we go.

The other is the Content-Aware improvements made in Photoshop. Again, if someone is a true Photoshop Guru, I suppose it just automated what they could do quickly enough anyway. Personally though, I can't remove something from a picture, replace the background which should have been there (but never was) and make it look half way decent in less time than it took to write this sentence about it. CS-6 Photoshop can.

I have to admit I have mixed feelings about this. Only last year I upgraded from CS3 to CS6; that's fairly typical of my upgrade path for some years now. CS3 to 4 was, for me, only an incremental upgrade and not really worth the outlay. CS3 to 5 would have been better but still didn't really warrant a purchase. CS3 to CS6 did offer a lot of things that I wanted/ had convinced myself I needed, so I sprung for it.

That CS6 license is mine, bought and paid for, I don't have to worry about renewing a license each month. Not sure I want the worry of another monthly bill right now to upgrade to CC, especially with the state of the creative industry in this country right now. There's not exactly work falling off trees. You guys may be getting different mileage. I hope so.

Corel might be worth a look but I never really got on with it (other than Painter which at times I simply could not be without) and of course there isn't a Mac native version as far as I'm aware. And I'm not trading my Macs for PCs.

I suppose the good side of continuously updated apps, which seems to be what Adobe are saying the case will be with CC, is that bugs may get fixed quicker. That horrible "file does not exist" bug when saving from Fireworks' image preview first appeared in CS5 and when I upgraded to CS6 it still hadn't been fixed. Actually it still hasn't.

Originally posted by groingrinder
reply to post by boncho

 

Prestige huh? Anyone who pays money for prestige deserves what they pay for.

I wasn't claiming prestige to begin with, I was responding to someone else's post talking about 'prestige'... my argument simply stated by leasing you get the benefit of having a car never older than 3 years. Whether or not you want to consider that "prestige" is up to you.

It is beneficial to me. I'd rather have a brand new model every couple years...

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For what its worth.....i have a 2004 Tahoe that I have paid off, and a 2003 Ford Lariat (under 40k miles) paid off.

No payment at all works best for me. The way I see it, when I pay it off, its life is halfway over. So i get all those years at the end.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by boncho

 

For what its worth.....i have a 2004 Tahoe that I have paid off, and a 2003 Ford Lariat (under 40k miles) paid off.

No payment at all works best for me.

The way I see it, when I pay it off, its life is halfway over. So i get all those years at the end.

That does work for some people, not saying it's terrible or it has no application. I know a few people will own one truck for 20 years before giving it up. They are a certain kind of person. (Heck, think my dad has 350+ miles on his)

But, here's the thing. No reason to knock people for being on top, having the latest or newest. And, no reason to knock the one wants the old one. Only wants one for a decade or two, and rather spend their money on something else.

Same with CS, some people will use CS5 and stick with it for another 10 years. Same with the trucks.

The only people that bug me are the ones trying to say it's better, i.e... My truck is better cause those new ones are....bla bla bla.

A new truck is a new truck.

A new truck in 95% of cases is a better truck cause it's new, (Sometimes manufacturers release a line of lemons in that case it's the 5%)

Now, at the same time, an old truck might be better for you or a specific individual... I just don't want to hear from people that CS3 is the best PS released... simply cause they don't wanna fork over the money for the newest version. Hey, you like it? Fine. You're saving money? Cool. Works for you, just say that, don't crap in our coffee and call it espresso, that's all.

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LOL, you are gonna LOVE me.

I think CS3 is the best. I have both CS3 and CS5. I have used quite a few PS builds (i even have PS7 sitting around somewhere, I think). CS3 is what I prefer. The interface seems more friendly.

But I make that choice based on my comfort level with the interface. I can use them interchangably.

I think the issue people are referring more to is the commercialism.

Thinking some more on this - occasionally I do think - it seems to me that if I were to upgrade to CC then I'm paying for access to a lot of things I'll never use. I use FCP, Motion and Compressor for video which means I have no need of AE or Premiere. Audio I don't really deal with at all so I have no need of Audition. Photoshop's revamped save for web function has removed whatever need I had for Fireworks (never did like it's kitschy button effects and what have you but boy could it squeeze an image). I can't even remember the last time I used Flash so that's something else I can manage without on a daily basis. Dreamweaver I do use, I know I probably shouldn't but for HTML and CSS its auto-suggest/ auto close-tags features really do speed things up for me. For anything else, like PHP, I use TextWrangler.

So really I only need four apps from the whole suite; Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and Dreamweaver. If I really had to, I could manage without Dreamweaver. Unless I missed something (and that's perfectly possible) you can't pick and choose under the CC model. It's all or nothing. I can see that makes good sense for big studios where there is a wide range of activities going on all at the same time, but for myself and others like me it's kind of overkill.

Not really complaining or having a tantrum over it, just throwing my random thoughts out there.

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Good for you! You are supporting one of the industries that needs the support now. Personally I drive junk cars that are twenty years old that other people are getting rid of. I cannot afford a new car. I would not want a new car. They are not made well enough for me.

I do not understand Adobe's decision to make CS an online only thing and hope their profits suffer because of it. Forcing people to be online to use programs is not the way to go as far as I am concerned.

I decided to take a look at the prices for Portugal (although I'm not interested in buying it).

49.99 dollars is the same as 38 Euros, but Adobe sells it for 61.49 Euros, equivalent to $80.90.

I suppose bytes are more expensive in Europe.

Edited to add that, in Russia, it's the equivalent to $45. In the UK it's the same as $73.

I wonder why...