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Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Lazarus Short
I read your post and you have compiled many different aspects of the subject in a manner in which they all rest on each other while they grasp for truth confusing the reader and steering them to a non biblical answer.
It seems that most of your argument is based on a lack of faith that the holy spirit was not with the ones that translated the bible. The words in the bible are there for a reason and that is to lay two paths for us to find the proper gate. One gate is narrow and one is wide.
There is a big difference in being non biblical and twisting the bible.edit on 6-5-2013 by deadeyedick because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Lazarus Short
Eternal torment? I don't see any reason why GOD would forever waste his time punishing a lost cause once he has lost hope in turning one to him. There are plenty believers that have suffered long enough while he has given chance after chance. It is pretty clear to me that in just over a thousand years that time will come. Until that time the ones that live outside of the kingdom being set up will continue to be tormented and die.edit on 6-5-2013 by deadeyedick because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by qualm91
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Lazarus Short
Eternal torment? I don't see any reason why GOD would forever waste his time punishing a lost cause once he has lost hope in turning one to him. There are plenty believers that have suffered long enough while he has given chance after chance. It is pretty clear to me that in just over a thousand years that time will come. Until that time the ones that live outside of the kingdom being set up will continue to be tormented and die.edit on 6-5-2013 by deadeyedick because: (no reason given)
This is one thing that I never really understood about the religious view of heaven and hell. Punishment. Why should people who are truly good but still sin, according to the bible, be punished? I, myself, am one of these people and this is why I cannot accept christianity. Because I know that I am a good person but I do sin, a lot. But it's such basic sins that, in my mind, there would be no reason for me to be "punished" for it.
Originally posted by qualm91
But, will I still go to hell?
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by qualm91
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Lazarus Short
Eternal torment? I don't see any reason why GOD would forever waste his time punishing a lost cause once he has lost hope in turning one to him. There are plenty believers that have suffered long enough while he has given chance after chance. It is pretty clear to me that in just over a thousand years that time will come. Until that time the ones that live outside of the kingdom being set up will continue to be tormented and die.edit on 6-5-2013 by deadeyedick because: (no reason given)
This is one thing that I never really understood about the religious view of heaven and hell. Punishment. Why should people who are truly good but still sin, according to the bible, be punished? I, myself, am one of these people and this is why I cannot accept christianity. Because I know that I am a good person but I do sin, a lot. But it's such basic sins that, in my mind, there would be no reason for me to be "punished" for it.
The Eternal Torment and/or Eternal Annihilation doctrines have turned many, many people away from the True Gospel, the Gospel [Good News] of Forgiveness and Reconciliation. Man's way is to punish, and to get even, down to the last penny. God's Way is to forgive, to correct, to bring the lost sinner back into fellowship by way of reconciliation. Man, through his greed and hatred, cannot imagine a God sending His Own Son to die in our place - Christians accept it, but most do not fully understand it. Punishment is corrective and temporary, not vindictive and eternal, and is given to purify those who need to be purified. It is not even punishment as man conceives of punishment. EVERYONE will come into the Kingdom, even those who go into the Lake of Fire, otherwise God can never become ALL in all.
reply to post by qualm91
But, because I don't specifically think that God should be obeyed, that would be enough to send me to hell, good person or not. Why is that? I am only asking your opinion because after reading your posts, I like the way you think, and I would like to hear what you think of this question.
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by qualm91
But, will I still go to hell?
No!
First, Hell does not exist. Almost all, if not all, words translated "Hell" really refer to "the grave" if we bother to look at the original Hebrew and Greek.
Second, when you die, you do the creation of Adam in reverse:
dead body + breath of life = Adam, a living soul
you, me, everybody (living souls) - breath of life = a dead body
So, when you die, you/soul goes [ceases to exist]
your breath/spirit returns to God who gave it
your body returns to the dust it was made from.
That leaves NOTHING to be relegated to Hell! Got that?!
The way to the Kingdom lies on a path which includes death, a dirt nap, and resurrection. Even if you do not make the glorious first resurrection, God has a plan "B" for you.
reply to post by qualm91
I was born with an addictive personality
Drugs were my "hell on earth"
I agree but the one who creates a soul can destroy a soul. Not that it will be done though. There is always a choice for everyone.
But the soul is, most certainly, eternal. Our bodies may die, but our souls will never cease to exist. This, I am sure of.
Originally posted by deadeyedick
I am making a prediction that you will come to regret these beliefs that your soul dies and even if it did not there is nothing GOD could do to change your mind even if he was real. I have faith that you will maybe be shown what you need to see in order for you to know. I have already seen but can not show you and words are not my strong suit so it's up to you.
Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Originally posted by deadeyedick
I am making a prediction that you will come to regret these beliefs that your soul dies and even if it did not there is nothing GOD could do to change your mind even if he was real. I have faith that you will maybe be shown what you need to see in order for you to know. I have already seen but can not show you and words are not my strong suit so it's up to you.
Deadeyedick, I was raised in a Baptist home and church, which included Hell. Later, I joined the Seventh-Day Adventist church, which taught Eternal Annihilation. Only when I found the concept of Universal Reconciliation did I see God as One Who loved His creation, and had a plan to save it to the uttermost. Do you really think (if you do) that God would send His Son to die a horrible death for our sakes, and then cast most of us into Hell for eternity? Eternal punishment for temporal sins is not consistent with the law of God, especially the Jubilee Law, which specifies that every person in slavery/bondage/debt go free when the Jubilee is proclaimed. That Law is an Earthly reflection of a Heavenly spiritual truth - that we go free of our debt of sin at a specified time. That time is after our dirt nap, or at the Second Coming for those still alive.
This book did make me question, though, I wonder if all souls in the entire world were made simply once, and have been being recycled over, and over, and over again. Or if new souls are being made and sent to Earth? It's a question to think about.