White Britons "In Retreat" from Minority areas

reply to post by Spider879


There were a bunch of drummers/pipers all decked out in kilts and Doc Martins, who used to perform in Glasgow city centre..their rendition of Yellow Rose of Texas was something to behold,

Awww too bad for racist Britons ( as opposed to decent people who are from or who live in Briton)...
pretty soon you will be in the same reserves gettoes and concentration camps you put OTHER peoples into when you have invaded other lands and countries in the past.

On top of the fact your own masters are letting the immigrants in to corral you...someday you may be banned from simple stuff...like making salt..or you may get slaughtered for making peacefull protests..

I watched ganhdi the other day maybe some of YOU should to

When the whiteman first invaded north America..and before this caused the demise of MILLIONS of people most of the whites lived in enclaves called towns and cities...

Judging by the past, if turnabout is fairplay, britons may have a scary looking future...

Originally posted by Danbones
Awww too bad for racist Britons ( as opposed to decent people who are from or who live in Briton)...
pretty soon you will be in the same reserves gettoes and concentration camps you put OTHER peoples into when you have invaded other lands and countries in the past.

On top of the fact your own masters are letting the immigrants in to corral you...someday you may be banned from simple stuff...like making salt..or you may get slaughtered for making peacefull protests..

I watched ganhdi the other day

maybe some of YOU should to

When the whiteman first invaded north America..and before this caused the demise of MILLIONS of people most of the whites lived in enclaves called towns and cities...

Judging by the past, if turnabout is fairplay, britons may have a scary looking future...

edit on 10-5-2013 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

Why does everyone hark back to history in these types of threads? I have never invaded anyone's country or put anyone in a concentration camp, nor do I know anyone who has even going back many generations of my family. Also the ruling elites of the British empire have not been the only ones throughout history who have enslaved others...Ghengis Khan was not such a nice chap either, far more brutal than anything we've seen in recent history.

As for being banned from making salt...Err What? And I think perhaps reading about Ghandi may be a better choice than watching a movie, though notably it was a British film, which I think says in itself that the current thinking in Britain is vastly different than in Ghandi's time.

And if you are the type of person that believes that retribution for the sins of the fathers should be visited upon the sons, then you had better hope that no one in your family or your culture has ever done anything to anyone, because then you too can expect dreadful things to happen to you and your kin..

reply to post by Danbones

I watched ganhdi the other day maybe some of YOU should to

Would this be the same Gandhi who actively supported Apartheid and believed Black Africns were almost sub-human and repeatedly stated that he thought White Africans had every right to use and exploit native Africans?

Would this be the same Gandhi who practically begged Britain to raise an Indian Regiment to fight and suppress the Zulu's?

Would this be the same Gandhi who preached his support of Hitler and his 'ethnic cleansing'?

There is much to admire about Gandhi but like all of us he had his faults - it seems he was a man of extreme's.

Why do you use every British related thread as an opportunity to voice your anti-British bigotry?
You seem to delight in detailing the more unsavoury aspects of The British Empire whilst conveniently ignoring those of other contemporary empires?
For example the excesses of The Spanish Empire far exceeded anything done by The British Empire and whilst being much smaller the French, German and in particular the Belgian Empire's were ran far more brutally.

I understand that you aren't American but if karma does indeed bite you in the arse then I truly dread to think what the future has in store for the USA.

Personally I think it is a far too common error to judge the acts and deeds of yesterday by the morals and standards of today - yes, we need to understand historical events and appreciate their long lasting implications etc.
And perhaps it is even necessary to acknowledge and possibly even apologise for those wrongdoings, but using those historical events to justify and vindicate current wrongdoings just helps perpetuate the cycle.

Apologies if I have strayed off-topic.

reply to post by Freeborn


No, you are absolutely on topic, as it's the thinking displayed by the poster you replied to, which only ever serves to derail the debate on subjects such as these. Star for your excellent post

It's true that people given the advantage will oppress their neighbors near and far,I have a theory and not too far-fetched either that the modern racist mindset came out of violent contacts between Black Brown yellow and white folks of the middle-ages,Europeans for the most part were cut off from the rest of the globe by Black and Brown folks read Africans and Arabs collectively called Moors, under the banner of Islam they encroached on Europe from the South for 700 yrs and from the East even earlier yellowish skinned folks first under Attila the Hun and the Khans followed by the Turks of a later date pressed hard upon Europeans hence names like the yellow Peril came into existence, early European travelers had to make themselves low key, men like Marco Polo had to go undercover and Christopher Columbus's sales pitch to his Spanish backers was to find a route to India to avoid hostile Muslims by going west, The Crusades were the first attempt at a brake-out,when Europeans acquired better fire power things changed the tables turned fear was replaced by contempt as they racked up victories after victories they all but forgot their former domination except in the deepest recesses of the mind that something about the dark people even when they are powerless is dangerous, this can be borne out by great literature like Lord Of The Rings and the movies which I liked despite it's thinly veiled anti dark folk subtext or message..MEN OF THE WEST UNITE!! was the call if anyone remembers the call to arms by the wizard in white,

Point of the above when things are left to fester it will spread and mutate for if we don't recognize the pain we caused each other in the past the tables will keep turning and the oppression will continue even when the original cause for hostility is long forgotten.

Originally posted by Danbones
Awww too bad for racist Britons ( as opposed to decent people who are from or who live in Briton)...

How can one live in Briton? What part of body or body cavity? Pray tell.

I find the notion of "racist Britons" entirely stupid. Not that racism do not exist in the UK, it sure does in some places, but what has always struck me about this country (I'm an American) is how integration can really work, compared to the US - where it doesn't. They were a true empire at the height of their history, and true empires only care about imperial might, much more than the color of skin etc. Roman Empire was the same way in many regards. I've met people from UK, of many ethnic backgrounds. They all seem mostly British to me.

The report only mentions England and Wales, fortunately we don't have these issues up here so I'm not sure why they always say 'British', 'Britain', 'UK' etc.. It's misleading for readers outside of the UK - We're very different people.

I lived for eight years in a Glasgow suburb highly populated by Africans and Eastern Europeans, and previously spent six years living in a middle class village in England. Personally I would rather live next door to Africans and Eastern Europeans than the Jeremy Kyle show family, white trash junkies or loud and proud lager swilling Englanders. If they keep on voting in these fascist parties (UKIP, BNP) it will come back to bite them on the arse.

reply to post by Ramcheck


I agree with you to an extent, here in Scotland we don't have a fraction of the problems experienced in areas of England and Wales, but having lived in Lancashire for a while, I can certainly see what the problems are.

However, the "Ned" population in Scotland is quite worrying, and you must have been fortunate to live in an area of Glasgow without them, they are insidious throughout Scotland. I live on the west coast of Scotland and the "Jeremy Kyle" underclass are prevalent. I've talked about my own issues on another thread here before, but some of the anti-social behaviour from my own neghbours is, at times shocking..all of them white Scottish.

Furthermore, whilst I would have totally agreed with you at one point that the Eastern Europeans were excellent immigrants, recently the massive flow into the country, has obviously brought some of the less desirable elements. One of the examples I can think of is the Romanian Big Issue sellers, who have taken over the streets of Scotland. I would always buy a copy from the Scottish sellers in the past, but to be honest, I was reluctant to buy them from immigrants, as I couldn't fathom why you would move to a different country to be homeless and of course, there are enough indigenous homeless people, who I believe should be helped before in-comers.

As it turned out, I was right to be concerned, as it was discovered that the Romanian sellers (who often had young children with them begging) were part of an organised gang, who flooded every town centre in Scotland, using violence to force out the original sellers and often turning up in areas where previously there were no sellers and harassing people on the street, something that the Scottish sellers never did, they were always extremely polite.

Additionally, the sheer volume of Eastern Europeans have had other impacts as well, in terms of usage of the NHS, schools etc and as they are coming here legally, the availability of welfare benefits. Clearly when a population increases by over a million people in a very short time, this is going to be problematic, and I said previously, the less desirable elements are also adding to the crime statistics, often with no consequences as they just disappear.

Scotland is currently facing many challenges, and with the referendum looming, there are many priorities that need to be addressed, not least, the constant influx of migrants into a fairly stagnant economy and an infrastructure that is bursting at the seams.

Originally posted by Ramcheck
I lived for eight years in a Glasgow suburb highly populated by Africans and Eastern Europeans, and previously spent six years living in a middle class village in England. Personally I would rather live next door to Africans and Eastern Europeans than the Jeremy Kyle show family, white trash junkies or loud and proud lager swilling Englanders. If they keep on voting in these fascist parties (UKIP, BNP) it will come back to bite them on the arse.

Hehe, I doubt very much you were living in a "middle class" English village if you lived next door to "Jeremy Kyle" types, "White trash junkies" or "loud & proud lager" types. Sounds very much to me like one of those sink estates instead.

I live in a proper "middle class" English market town and we have none of that, except in the the dodgy estate out of town. For the most part, it's quiet, everyone is respectful and we drink Ale or Bitter

Now, the reason that White flight isn't so prevalent in Scotland? Probably has something to do with the fact most immigrants to the UK settle in England or Wales, few make it so far North. Demographic information I can find seems to indicate that a proportionally higher amount of Scots are "White British" (including Irish) than elsewhere in the UK (96% compared to 85% in England and Wales), so it stands to reason this will be less of a problem for you guys up there.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by Ramcheck
I lived for eight years in a Glasgow suburb highly populated by Africans and Eastern Europeans, and previously spent six years living in a middle class village in England. Personally I would rather live next door to Africans and Eastern Europeans than the Jeremy Kyle show family, white trash junkies or loud and proud lager swilling Englanders. If they keep on voting in these fascist parties (UKIP, BNP) it will come back to bite them on the arse.

Hehe, I doubt very much you were living in a "middle class" English village if you lived next door to "Jeremy Kyle" types, "White trash junkies" or "loud & proud lager" types. Sounds very much to me like one of those sink estates instead.

I live in a proper "middle class" English market town and we have none of that, except in the the dodgy estate out of town. For the most part, it's quiet, everyone is respectful and we drink Ale or Bitter

Now, the reason that White flight isn't so prevalent in Scotland? Probably has something to do with the fact most immigrants to the UK settle in England or Wales, few make it so far North. Demographic information I can find seems to indicate that a proportionally higher amount of Scots are "White British" (including Irish) than elsewhere in the UK (96% compared to 85% in England and Wales), so it stands to reason this will be less of a problem for you guys up there.

Let me clarify, that was Uttoxeter. A little farther north than your Surrey's and whatnots, but a quaint market village it certainly claimed to be. The 'chav' culture is spreading and with their parents out voting for far right politicians it can only get worse.

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by Ramcheck

 

I agree with you to an extent, here in Scotland we don't have a fraction of the problems experienced in areas of England and Wales, but having lived in Lancashire for a while, I can certainly see what the problems are.

However, the "Ned" population in Scotland is quite worrying, and you must have been fortunate to live in an area of Glasgow without them, they are insidious throughout Scotland. I live on the west coast of Scotland and the "Jeremy Kyle" underclass are prevalent. I've talked about my own issues on another thread here before, but some of the anti-social behaviour from my own neghbours is, at times shocking..all of them white Scottish.

Furthermore, whilst I would have totally agreed with you at one point that the Eastern Europeans were excellent immigrants, recently the massive flow into the country, has obviously brought some of the less desirable elements. One of the examples I can think of is the Romanian Big Issue sellers, who have taken over the streets of Scotland. I would always buy a copy from the Scottish sellers in the past, but to be honest, I was reluctant to buy them from immigrants, as I couldn't fathom why you would move to a different country to be homeless and of course, there are enough indigenous homeless people, who I believe should be helped before in-comers.

As it turned out, I was right to be concerned, as it was discovered that the Romanian sellers (who often had young children with them begging) were part of an organised gang, who flooded every town centre in Scotland, using violence to force out the original sellers and often turning up in areas where previously there were no sellers and harassing people on the street, something that the Scottish sellers never did, they were always extremely polite.

Additionally, the sheer volume of Eastern Europeans have had other impacts as well, in terms of usage of the NHS, schools etc and as they are coming here legally, the availability of welfare benefits. Clearly when a population increases by over a million people in a very short time, this is going to be problematic, and I said previously, the less desirable elements are also adding to the crime statistics, often with no consequences as they just disappear.

Scotland is currently facing many challenges, and with the referendum looming, there are many priorities that need to be addressed, not least, the constant influx of migrants into a fairly stagnant economy and an infrastructure that is bursting at the seams.

I now live in an area short on neds but prior to this there was an abundance of them, yes they're a pain sometimes. I can't really argue with any of these issues you raised but we must remain tolerant, or face going down the same path as our non-socialist neighbours to the south. For a sneak preview at how that is going to turn out, please see: Italy.

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by Ramcheck

 

I agree with you to an extent, here in Scotland we don't have a fraction of the problems experienced in areas of England and Wales

You have a worse problem - we Americans have problems understanding the language you speak up there. I tried. When I was able to, wow --

I'm having my little drink of a scotch at a local bar in Scotland... Next to me, a young guy strikes a conversation with a lass.

First thing they sort out is that their clans are compatible, i.e. there is no 500 year old vendetta gong on and they don't necessarily need to slit each other throats. Once this was cleared, they seemed quite relieved and went on a happy date.

Priceless. Seriously.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Yar, my gran was born on Harris and lived around the highlands and islands before moving to England when she married.. she died aged 93 and still spat when she heard the name "Campbell" mentioned. not a good lady to shop for soup with.

She also called little black kids pickneys (not a problem, carribean folk do the same) or.. gollywogs



living in the west midlands this certainly raised a few eyebrows

reply to post by destination now

Destination Now if you created a thread dedicated to Scottish culture and history including mythologies I'll contribute,like I said I have peeps who are Scottish and while they can't post or won't post..they considers sites like this is for wankers.. they are non the less interested in their own history and commented that while Jamaica's flag　is waay Kooler than their own they claimed we got ours from them.

I'll let viewers decide..

reply to post by Danbones


You do realise that after the British ceded control of the "enclaves" you mention, those "enclaves" or subsequent United States presided over a genocide that has similarities to the holocaust?

Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by destination now

 

Destination Now if you created a thread dedicated to Scottish culture and history including mythologies I'll contribute,like I said I have peeps who are Scottish and while they can't post or won't post..they considers sites like this is for wankers..

they are non the less interested in their own history and commented that while Jamaica's flag　is waay Kooler than their own they claimed we got ours from them.

I'll let viewers decide..

edit on 11-5-2013 by Spider879 because: (no reason given)

Well that's easy, the flag of Jamaica was designed by a Scottish priest / minister (whichever it was I'm not into religion, sorry) who lived there in the '60s.

reply to post by Ramcheck

Flag of Jamaica From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jamaican national flag Name The Cross Use National flag and civil ensign Proportion 1:2 Adopted August 6, 1962 Design A gold saltire on a green and black field. Jamaica's naval White Ensign The first proposed design for the Jamaican flag Another proposal for the Jamaican flag The flag of Jamaica was adopted on August 6, 1962, the original Jamaican Independence Day, the country having gained independence from the British-protected Federation of the West Indies. The flag consists of a gold saltire, which divides the flag into four sections: two of them green (top and bottom) and two black (hoist and fly). The present design emerged from those sent in by the public in a national competition. It was originally designed with horizontal stripes, but this was considered too similar to the Tanganyikan flag, and so the saltire was substituted. It hints at the Scottish and Irish roots of much of the population, while black, green, and gold are Pan-African colors, representing the country's black majority population. An earlier interpretation of the colors was, "hardships there are but the land is green and the sun shineth": gold recalls the shining sun, black reflects hardships, and green represents the land. However, that was changed to the colour black representing the strength and creativity of the people which has allowed them to overcome the odds, yellow for the golden sunshine and green for the lush vegetation of the island. The flag is blazoned Per saltire vert and sable, a saltire Or

Sommabouytch!!... you and they are right now how can i live this down..

reply to post by buddhasystem


In the last five hundred years, the main issue is protestant or catholic....

And to this day many things can be deduced about a person merely by asking what school they went to..not a class thing, but as the local authorities in Scotland ( and probably England and Wales, tho not sure) cater for both secular and denominational schools(mostly Roman Catholic)..thus being able to distinguish a person's religion by the school they went to, because,there was nothing else to distinguish us, all being of the same race and general culture, and personally I could not see any issues or problems but there was always someone saying it did matter


As an adult, I understand the doctrines that have been enforced on the believers of certain religions and now I am glad that the religion I grew up with (and was allowed to discard without fear of reprisal) was one of forgiveness, compromise and understanding was far different from the one that preached intolerance and threat of ex-communication for any indiscretions and of course, from my own perspective growing up in the 80's, one that put the values of the church above the value of ordinary citizens, in terms of the spread of HIV and birth control.

And I suppose the above paragraph sums it up for me, I grew up in a society that allowed me the freedom to be what I wanted to be and afforded me the opportunity to say what I wanted. I do not agree with the teachings of the Roman Catholic faith, I never have and have always been free to say that I don;t and no one has ever said that I am wrong to disagree with their beliefs.

But now I fear it is changing, and I feel that I am being expected to agree with the viewpoints of other religions and cultures, rather than just accept them.

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

In the last five hundred years, the main issue is protestant or catholic....

Oh yeah, I can imagine. What I was saying is that the very mention of a clan hit me about the head as a sledgehammer. It was in Inverness in Scotland. It was a bit too, erm, visceral.

And to this day many things can be deduced about a person merely by asking what school they went to..not a class thing

The "class thing" exists everywhere and is easier for people to comprehend...

I am glad that the religion I grew up with (and was allowed to discard without fear of reprisal) was one of forgiveness, compromise and understanding

Oh I see, you practiced Buddhism. Congratulations.