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The False Flag Paradigm: My Thoughts

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posted on May, 7 2013 @ 07:54 PM
How many times should we suffer a liar before never again believing a word that liar says? The very reason why one should never cry wolf. Haven't we seen enough manufactured news to take it all with a grain of salt?

Surely most of us can relate to both sides of this issue. It is foolish to assume that every event that makes national news is some sort of big fat lie. It is also foolish to assume that any given event is portrayed truthfully.

The problem is not necessarily the number of false flag attacks that actually happen, but that the repercussions from a single well crafted plot have consequences that last for generations.

Which is more despicable? Team ostrich sticking their heads in the sand or team chicken little whining about the sky falling? Tough call. One thing is for sure, we rarely get the full story, if ever. When we do finally piece the puzzle together it's far too late to reverse course.

posted on May, 7 2013 @ 08:50 PM
reply to post by Hefficide

@Hefficide, VG thread. Your analysis and discussion was thoughtful and courteous.

I think your notions on the causes of the False Flag fever have some merit, in particular the wanting to be part of a group and attempting to define a pattern out of chaos.

In addition one can't help but included ignorance as another major factor. A lot of these "False Flaggers" don't even know what the term means, and misidentify some law-enforcement operations, which are entrapment/sting set-ups, as false flag operations.

But the cases like the Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings, and the people coming up with extreme, far-out false-flag conspiracy theories are akin to much of the crazy talk and belief in any putative evidence of ET UFO. There are people who want to believe such stuff because it is so exciting/sensational taken at face value (as you also describe false flag belief), and the people don't want to have their imaginative beliefs questioned, so they react very negatively to skepticism, logic and fact on such matters.

I know of no other solution to fighting such delusional thinking other than addressing the facts and common sense of the matters when confronted with such sensational claims. Part of the problem is that there are so many websites and media purveyors that cater to such sensational conspiracy issues. The only way to combat such media is to call it out and expose them as dubious sources whenever someone cites them in their arguments.

Given the state of the UFO forum here, I don't have a lot of hope for the False Flaggers as a whole changing their mindsets. I can only hope that they tend not to vote...

posted on May, 7 2013 @ 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by Danbones

Heff, and his OP is the only reason, I quite posting on ATS, There is is no real political debate when everyone is shouting that every new story is a false flag. ATS is not the only forum I'm a member of. I can get my opinions expressed in other places..


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you "quite posting at ATS"
Am I missing something here?

posted on May, 7 2013 @ 10:03 PM
Examining the idea that some act of terrorism might be a false flag event is not in the least unreasonable, given the long history of such events. Will some people take the paradigm too far? Of course. Credulous fools will make the argument that every act of terror is a false flag event and will also make the argument that "conspiracy theorists" are kooks and that false flag events are very rare.

The "false flag" event is actually a sub genre of the larger category of political activity known as provocation or incitement.

In the history of politics "agent provocateurs" have long been used to incite crowds to do things they wouldn't normally do. The police use provocateurs to entrap criminals. Even ordinary mischievous people incite others to get into trouble for reasons of mischief, just to raise hell or to make fools of people.

There is a lot of mischief being made on ATS. Some of that mischief, I am confident, is made to discredit inquiries into possible false flag events and to discredit anything that appears on this website.

People really need to use their own judgement and to think for themselves on this website. We discuss a lot of serious topics here. People in the real world have vested interests in channeling discussion on this website, for their own reasons which have nothing to do with denying ignorance. That in itself is a kind of false flag activity.

On ATS some knuckleheads are really knuckleheads and some are far from it.
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posted on May, 8 2013 @ 12:06 AM
reply to post by Hefficide

Fantastic, well-thought, and thought-provoking post! This is a topic which has been begging my attention for some time now, though I haven't taken the time to really delve into it. Well, now I have, and your OP spells out a lot of whT bas been churning through my mind lately. I. Addition, here's what I have been thinking of in light of the constant calls of "false flag" in recent years (seemingly accelerating geometrically as time progresses.) many of the "big news" events to seem to have something suspicious about them. I say "seem to have" because it might simply be because they're impossible to categorize logically (example - why would someone execute a bunch of small children?)

We just can't process or find any reason so we seek one, whether consciously or subconsciously, connecting dots which may not be the proper connections, but our mind finds the best fit to make sense of it. As the 'evidemce of conspiracy' is spread and others connect the dots, additional minds find agreement along the way; one's belief supporting another's until large swaths of the population have themselves so convinced, along with so much support from others' confidence in the explanation, that the mind is finally satisfied. The problem has at last been resolved (so believes the mind.) The human mind doesn't like unanswered questions, especially the more inquisitive minds, it needs to have answers. In such situations, the mind goes into an almost lock-down mode when it believes it has resolved the problem, and any other explanations -even if it is in actuality the 100% facts/truth- seem absolutely ridiculous in comparison.

So that's one option/aspect, the human mind, augmented by the minds of many, creating the most logical explanation for a situation devoid of logic or sense as we know it.

The other would be, partially the same thing, except purposefully augmented. Maybe some events are "staged" - I'm not one to believe there aren't real victims, but I could see the possibility of a shooting perpetrated by "X" really being perpetrated by "Z", or that "X" isn't just "some guy" but rather "some guy working for some organization." moreso, though, my thinking is along the lines of, whether an event is as reported, or staged to one degree or another, maybe the reporting is being directed in such a way (on purpose) as to foment the idea of false flags. Maybe 9/11 was a big false flag, not meant to be "uncovered", or maybe it was legitimately -or close enough to- what the official story says it was (not debating here, it either was or wasn't either OS or False Flag; for the purposes of this, let's hang 9/11 on Schrodinger's Cat's collar), and as the belief in a false flag grew stronger and stronger, it was decided the best course of action would be to utilize every good crisis as an opportunity to get the more inquisitive, more likely to form the belief in false flags segment of the population thinking "false flag." How would this be done? Have some statements "slip" here and there which give rise to serious questions in comparison to the official story. Conflicting reporting, statements which just plain don't make sense given the situation - then suddenly not mentioned again. Pictures which don't make logical sense related to the story shown - then suddenly not shown anymore. A real attack, shooting, or whatever could be made to seem like it is a false flag for those who have their eyes peeled for inconsistencies.

So why? as to discredit any who discuss "false flags." Saturation. And making those who claim "false flag" seem insensitive by planting over-the-top seeds, etc.

I thought the same thing in the early days of the Internet. From '93-96, my favorite reasearch subjects were the Men in Black and the Illuminati. Hunting down and buying/reading a tique books, modern books, and at long last, really getting into it through the net, connecting with people all over the world who had been researching as well. Suddenly...a movie was in development called, Men in Black. Before the movie was even released, it became nearly impossible to find any information lr discussion not about the movie, or tainted by the movie. Abso,ute saturation of misdirection. It doesn't only work to bungle up the internet, it works in social groups, person-to person, other forms of media, eventually, pervading society as a whole.

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 12:29 AM
The false flag flap has followed the same trajectory as every meme ever: first, something is fringe, because not many people have heard of it, and the few people who have heard of it take pride in having discovered or figured out something different than what the masses believe. Then it becomes popular. People take pride in spreading it around, being part of what's hot and therefore good. Then comes the inevitable: disenchantment and backlash. People can no longer feel proud about being privy to something exclusive, and believing in it no longer provides the rush that it used to, so it's time to attack it. If you can be one of the first to be skeptical of it, you feel the pride of exclusivity again. If the true believers begin to attack you for your heresy, it only adds fuel to your convictions. This happens with musical tastes, fashion, religion....everything, basically.

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 01:01 AM
reply to post by Hefficide

I'd like some clarification, please. You start out the thread talking about false flags and then switch to talking about staged events.

You said:

"I found myself in a state of feeling deep offence when people would suggest that the victims of tragedies were not only not really victims... but were actually actors and frauds."

I find this offensive as well, but this is not what a false flag is, as you well know. The people claiming that domestic terror attacks are fraudulent, involving crisis actors, fake blood, etc. are generally not the same people that hold that a different perpetrator than the authorities and MSM are naming is responsible for a very real attack.

Perhaps some "staged event" people are misusing the term "false flag," but I didn't get the sense from your otherwise eloquent post that you cared to make a distinction. Would you like to make that distinction?

While Sandy Hook and Aurora certainly did happen, to allow "false flag" to be used interchangeably with "staged event" only serves the liars.

Should we stop using the term "false flag" just because some fringe people have stolen it?

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 01:10 AM
I believe we see false flag events, and disinformation to muddy the waters. My primary intention, my compass needle, is a steady pursuit of truth. Connect the dots. No one dot is it. I also believe that an active heart is as important as an open mind in this pursuit. Was 911 a false flag? I would say yes, based on the physical evidence and more. Was Aurora a false flag? That is less sure, but there are dots to be connected. This process reminds me of scientists who claim the existence of subatomic particles, because they see their effects, even though they can not see them. We see the effects of things in the world, but can not see the machinery that caused them. That doesn't mean the machinery does not exist.

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 01:40 AM
reply to post by Hefficide

I agree with pretty much everything.
As a relatively new poster (but long time lurker) there are events that have inconsistencies that I cannot make sense of, 9/11 and 7/7 both being events that cause me to have suspicions. But since arriving here I have been severely distracted and disappointed by some of the fixations people have.

I also think it's vitally important that we include another aspect for the believers in everything being a false flag - mental illness.

I know it's like a taboo subject here and a lot of people hate to even consider it when talking about conspiracy theories, but it has to be said. There are members here who believe some of the most incredible things, and this can only be for a very few reasons. Like you say, they could be here to create incredulity and distrust, to discredit the entire community, or they could just be so young that they don't really understand how to logically process things to an adequate conclusion... but the most plausible explanation is that they really are delusional in some way.

This shouldn't be something to ignore, it should be something to accept and deal with.

If I created a thread insisting that potatoes can talk, adding videos and photoshopped images from people who believe the same, arguing with people and demanding that they show me evidence that potatoes CAN'T talk, insisting that anyone who denies they can talk is believing a lie, then it's perfectly reasonable to question my sanity and doing so should not be considered a personal attack. It cannot be an attack if it's stating the truth.

I also think ATS should have a level of responsibility when it comes to dealing with such nonsense. If I were to start a thread about talking potatoes, surely that should be put in some ridiculous area of the site, leaving the real discussions worthy of attention at the top.

I think ATS should have a bare minimum requirement when it comes to creating a conspiracy or discussing it here - for example, the lunacy of "actors" at Boston or Sandy Hook, and the insult to the dead and injured this has caused - having basic decency to those harmed in that attack should outweigh the desperate need for a minority here to claim those people didn't exist or have faked their injuries/loss.

When a conspiracy is so obviously bizarre, with no evidence to back it up, and so potentially damaging to ATS and us as a community, I think something should be done to minimize the damage.

I signed up to talk about some interesting things, after being turned off from doing so repeatedly with some of the Sandy Hook and Aurora conspiracy theories and incredibly odd beliefs of members here. Then when I did finally sign up I was sucked into the same irrational nonsense about Boston, despite my attempts to avoid it and distract myself.

I do now actually regret signing up, because that kind of irrational "conspiracy" doesn't help anyone but those seeking to attack genuine conspiracy theorists. That kind of insanity creates distrust and suspicion about ATS, and it weakens the discussions we have in relation to REAL conspiracies.

I find those people damaging and extremely offensive, and I really do think that when such a discussion is so obviously wielding no evidence or even based on logical thought, it should receive a warning, a demand for evidence, and then a decision made on whether it should continue.

Just my opinion, I have no doubt someone who believes those irrational "conspiracies" will be along any moment to call me a government shill or media slave

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 01:43 AM
reply to post by Hefficide

I guess the biggest question I have for you is, why do you care so much about what is true and what is not true, when you certainly cannot be sure of any of it.

I think it is a sad commentary on many that they think we are all just saying "false flag" like we are damaged or something.

NO, free thinking , means that we KNOW that we are literally never being told the "truth"...and we just flat out do not need to accept it, at all.

As all of these stories get smashed into our faces, all manner of useless garbage is spouted, we should wonder why their are people like yourself who so badly need all of this too work...why you have to feel uncomfortable when things are not cut-and-dried.

For myself, I really do believe that a whole lot of deception rules everything, and all manner of things are trying to manipulate us, but for reasons most of you do not or could not begin thinking about.

Heff, you are trying to understand and fit together that which is on purpose being thrown out and into this reality to make sure you can NEVER inside of its own framework.

I hope one day you can learn to stop feeling the pain of that which is not in your control, and just accept the fact that this planet is never going to be on a good path while denial is taking first place.

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 01:59 AM

Originally posted by SlackOps
Surely most of us can relate to both sides of this issue. It is foolish to assume that every event that makes national news is some sort of big fat lie. It is also foolish to assume that any given event is portrayed truthfully.

But this is where rational thought and intellect make an appearance and assist a person to come to a reasonable conclusion...

For instance, I believe there is something incredibly suspicious about the London 7/7 attack, because we know for a fact that there was a private company - which has remained secret - who had paid for Mr. Powers and his highly dubious "team" to create a fictitious event, which coincidentally happened on the same morning, and at the same locations.

The mathematical probability of this being a coincidence is so astronomical it is scientifically impossible that the events of that morning and the drill created by that company are not connected. Yet, they were not investigated at all and MR. Powers is a free man without even basic investigation.

And in contrast, we have people who think that no one was injured in Boston, that people rushed into the crowd of "actors" to attach artificial limbs and spray fake blood everywhere, that those "actors" never went to hospital, and if they did then all the hospital staff were actors too, and if they are actors too then so are the Boston PD and Fire Department...

This is all based in unscientific belief, an immediate distrust in government and media, an instant assumption that everything is a lie. Even when likelihood, probability and mountains of evidence all suggest something was real, some still grab hold of every tiny little inconsistency they can find and then weave it into their grand conspiracy.

Some rationality is needed here, and it needs to be promoted by ATS in more ways than it is being promoted now. The motto here is supposed to be "Deny Ignorance", but those who refuse plausible reality, probability and evidence because they have an immediate and instant distrust of authority and government are actively embracing ignorance. There needs to be a balance struck, and ATS needs to do more to guide discussions in a more reasonable way - promoting discussions based in something real above those based in nothing but assumption, belief or paranoia.

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 02:11 AM
I forget the adage about paranoia...but it rings a little true...mis/dis information is a well crafted artform (but, and I do agree, not everything is a false flag)...but, there is a shifting and twisting of minds going on (quite outside what we do to ourselves - paranoia)...the media is involved - hey, it sells newspapers, what do they care?!...the military is definitely involved (mis/dis information is one of the places this artform developed in...they also have the mask of national security to don - whether for external or internal purposes)..., twisting of minds...bombardment of information (most of which is absolute junk - designed for distraction)...

Many on sites like this are weary of the soggy bread and hackneyed circus...but it must be remembered that sometimes 'stuff' just happens for horrible and stupid reasons...


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posted on May, 8 2013 @ 05:23 AM
reply to post by Hefficide

I have not turned my television on in about 9 months. I stream the 3 shows I watch online and that is all of the media I expose myself to, aside from the Associated Press raw feed from time to time, the occasional link jump to a news site, and what I am exposed to via moderating here.

So then I wonder, how are you qualified to pass judgement on those who claim "false flag"or "staged event", based on the inconsistencies in the mainstream media, if you admittedly, don't know what is really going on in said media?

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 05:43 AM
Awesome thread Heff. Worthy of a broadsheet article.

The false flag claims have become akin to the boy who cried wolf. I'm sure there have been uses of false flag operations, but to suggest every big breaking news story is a false flag is just lazy and serving ones own agenda. It becomes more obvious the longer you have spent on here and to see who the claim comes from.

The problem is governments have been caught lying so many times, that a vast majority don't believe a single word they speak. People have lost all trust in the institutions we used to rely on. No one trusts the government, the police, the media or corporations. So its hardly a surprise we see a rise in the false flag rhetoric.


posted on May, 8 2013 @ 05:52 AM
reply to post by woodwardjnr

The problem is governments have been caught lying so many times, that a vast majority don't believe a single word they speak. People have lost all trust in the institutions we used to rely on. No one trusts the government, the police, the media or corporations. So its hardly a surprise we see a rise in the false flag rhetoric.

The biggest cause for these theories is the plethora of inconsistencies in the stories and footage that are always present nowadays.

Why is this so hard to recognise?

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Hefficide

Seeking To Understand

As odd as it may sound, I have spent the last couple of weeks of my life truly trying to empathize with the false flag crowd. [...]

Okay I'll make it easy for you. You have a choice to make. You either guzzle the swill being spoonfed to you by the owned media, or you look at EVERY hot-button emotional issue as a possible PsyOp. Not probable, not definite; possible. False flags are ONLY ONE type of PsyOp. The false-flag crowd are IMO for the most part people who have recently discovered that they can make a decision about what to cognitively accept and refuse, with respect to what is spewed by the media. They are typically angry about having been lied to so egregiously for their whole lives. So they might be a little overzealous about chanting "false flag! false flag!", but at least they are taking their power back!

If you can't make the hard choice, if you are too enamored with the notion that the government really means to serve citizens in a beneficent way, then, if I were you, I would question whether the hours you spend here are worth it, because you're not getting what it's all about.

posted on May, 8 2013 @ 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Hefficide

I take no issue with any of this at all, but might have a different notion of what needs to be done. Rather than seeking an uprising or engaging in hyperbolic reaction, I tend to think that the system can be changed using the methods afforded to use by the Framers and by current realities - voting and the tactics of striking, both in terms of employment and economically. I think we tend to give the government too much credit by thinking of them as some giant beast that cannot be contained. We do outnumber them millions to one.

So you don't think it's possible to have an organization mostly composed of zombies (let's call them the military, because for all they think for themselves, they may as well be zombies) that is controlled towards the ultimate goal of world domination by a minuscule group? I take that as evidence of ostrich syndrome.

You think the Framers were "afforded" methods? No, they were colluders in the greatest Psyop ever: the "victory" of the United States of America over the army and navy of King George III. Otherwise there would have been NO arrangements made to pay 'debts owed' by the colonies to the king. You don't kick a bully to the curb and THEN pull out your wallet and start forking over the cash! Why does no one ever see this? Because the reality is even more disturbing than any so-called 'false flags' you might now be writing about.

Again, I empathize and agree with the basic thoughts presented here... though none of this validates any false flag beliefs at all. It simply explains the angst most of us feel today. Sure, the system is corrupt - but that doesn't mean that we can just hang any supposition or theory at their feet and be justified or correct in doing so.
Justified? I think it is. Correct? Probably not all the time. But I saw a picture of a dead Sandy Hook student getting a big hug from Obama, in the same dress she wore in her 'family photo'. That screams "false flag!". I don't even have to say anything, except to people who want to downplay the importance of it, to tell them to pull their heads out of the sand. The people NEED to let the government know that they aren't the gullible marks they were a hundred years ago.

You have kind of tabled one of the things that has really bothered me during this period... the constant referral to the news as if it were somehow official. Just because some network broadcasts something doesn't make it official at all. Your daily paper probably devotes an entire column, daily, to retractions. Now if you want to argue that the art of journalism has died and lost all credibility? I will cheer you on and star all of your posts. But to equate what Brian Williams says each night as being official in any regard? It's just not correct at all.
First, journalism should be a craft, not an art. You lost me right there. The fact that you see journalism as an artform tells me that you feel there's a lot of license for the writers to just write whatever they want.

As far as the tragedies go? if I have a neighbor who beats his wife and I decide that I'm going to call 911 on him the next time I hear her screaming... all I need to is wait for it to happen. I don't have to break into his house, beat his wife into a coma, and then try to frame him for it. I don't have to spend weeks making a CGI movie of him doing so to use as evidence. All I need to do is sit back and wait. If I don't want to wait, I can use propaganda to push things forward... drop a word in his ear and make it happen.
Framing and CGI are covered in the "controlled opposition" and "counterintelligence" chapters of the Provocateurs Handbook.

That is to say, we're a violent people. The government doesn't have to fake mass murders... we do those just fine on our own. They might be deliberately creating an atmosphere that is conducive to such things. But to take the risks and waste the resources to fake it? And to do so every few months, as some here believe?
If you wish, YOU are violent. I don't identify myself as a violent person. Hell, I'm not even a Person! But that's another subject. I think that the constant barrage of violence is being fed to us to make us believe "we're a violent people" and perpetuate this madness.
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posted on May, 8 2013 @ 04:30 PM
This is why we examine everything as best we can
because we have to
those who don't
do not deserve democracy at all

an example that says much:

Newsmax Exclusive: US Hired al-Qaida-Linked Group to Defend Benghazi Mission

The Libyan militia group that the State Department hired to defend its embattled diplomatic mission in Benghazi had clear al-Qaida sympathies, and had prominently displayed the al-Qaida flag on a Facebook page some months before the deadly attack.

That organization, the February 17th Martyrs Brigade, was paid by the U.S. government to provide security at the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya. But there is no indication the Martyrs Brigade fulfilled its commitment to defend the mission on Sept. 11, when it came under attack. !

you get the government you deserve...
except WE who question don't deserve the government that those who do not question do


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posted on May, 8 2013 @ 04:51 PM
Thus far I have stayed clear of replying to this thread for two reasons. First I wanted to see what sort of dialogue would happen organically. The second reason is that I was waiting for a compelling and cohesive argument, supporting the idea of a false flag, to be presented.

That did not occur IMO.

What I have seen is a lot of supposition, jumping to conclusions, conformation bias, and the sort of shaming behaviors that were discussed in my OP. A general sort of "Well any idiot can see what's happening here! And if you can't see it then you must be ( insert random marginalizing ad hom here ) and I cannot possibly help you..."

This saddens me - as it reminds of a time, really not so long ago, when some of the greatest minds in history were silenced or punished simply because they didn't understand the obvious "truth" that the sun revolved around the Earth. That "fact" was also widely accepted because it felt right - even though it was absolutely wrong.

To the poster who sought clarification about 'false flags" versus "staged events". You are correct of course. I had no hesitation or agenda in using the term "false flag" as I did - as that is representative of how it is currently being used across large swaths of the Internet right now. However the reality is that not all staged events are false flags - though I think it safe to say that all false flags are staged events.

To this point in this thread I remain utterly unswayed from my original position. The argument that Aurora, Sandy Hook, and Boston ( Those are the big three currently - though a new trend is developing now, and members are digging up events from the past to ask if those were false flags as well ) were false flags simply because, well because - holds no water IMO. It's no more rational than stating that some food can be poisoned by bacteria, therefore ALL food is, or saying some sex can be rape, therefore all sex is rape. It flies in the fact of not only rational thought, but of reality.

These conclusions rely upon a type of egocentric fantasy thinking that I am simply not equipped of engaging in. I would imagine that there are a handful of people on ATS who might be important enough ( either through qualification, wealth, or threat to society ) to warrant an extreme interest from a Government. But the vast majority of do not fall into such a category. It never ceases to amaze me to ponder that some plumber from Ohio might be fully convinced that the entirety of the US Federal apparatus is zeroed in and pointed directly at him. This speaks to the part of the OP where I discuss media influences. After all, aren't we all the protagonists in our own, personal drama? Thus we require a nemesis worthy of our sense of self importance. The angry spouse, estranged family member, bad neighbor, or demanding boss who probably actually serves that function in a life? Well they are nowhere near impressive enough for a drama worthy of ourselves. Nope - we need a villain equal to us - somebody like the POTUS or even the entire NWO to play that role. Otherwise our drama would be too boring to pay attention to.

Yes, yes, yes... I know. But my guns. They're coming for my guns!!!. We are supposed to believe that the same group(s) of people who managed to rise to the apex of power in a highly competitive field would be so stupid that they'd stage a shooting, for the purpose of "taking away guns", see that the reaction to their plan is record guns sales and a massive public backlash... and then they'd proceed by doing the same exact thing all over again? And again?"

Oh, and not only are this handful of exceptionally successful ( like them or not, that is what they are ) stupid enough to keep making the same mistake, over and over again... but they'd recruited untold scores of us to assist them in their plot?

Well, it must be so because somebody saw a picture and there are like way many Youtube videos that say it. And we all know that Youtube pwns the MSM for integrity and truth.

Here's a fun thought... If nothing else, the past 6-8 month have actually worked at convincing the "sheeple" ( god how I hate that word ) to willingly and happily throw away one of their Constitutional rights. Only it's not the Second Amendment I speak of.... It's the First. By simply dismissing the press as a lost cause and assuming it to be an arm of the government, unworthy of thought - it's lost. The press was always flawed, has always gone through periods of great sensationalism and propaganda. But it catered to OUR desires and wants, and not those of the people in power ( mostly ). By abandoning it, we hand it to those who would use it against us.

Youtube is no substitute.

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