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Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by Danbones
Heff, and his OP is the only reason, I quite posting on ATS, There is is no real political debate when everyone is shouting that every new story is a false flag. ATS is not the only forum I'm a member of. I can get my opinions expressed in other places..
edit on 6-5-2013 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SlackOps
Surely most of us can relate to both sides of this issue. It is foolish to assume that every event that makes national news is some sort of big fat lie. It is also foolish to assume that any given event is portrayed truthfully.
I have not turned my television on in about 9 months. I stream the 3 shows I watch online and that is all of the media I expose myself to, aside from the Associated Press raw feed from time to time, the occasional link jump to a news site, and what I am exposed to via moderating here.
The problem is governments have been caught lying so many times, that a vast majority don't believe a single word they speak. People have lost all trust in the institutions we used to rely on. No one trusts the government, the police, the media or corporations. So its hardly a surprise we see a rise in the false flag rhetoric.
Originally posted by Hefficide
Seeking To Understand
As odd as it may sound, I have spent the last couple of weeks of my life truly trying to empathize with the false flag crowd. [...]
So you don't think it's possible to have an organization mostly composed of zombies (let's call them the military, because for all they think for themselves, they may as well be zombies) that is controlled towards the ultimate goal of world domination by a minuscule group? I take that as evidence of ostrich syndrome.
Originally posted by Hefficide
I take no issue with any of this at all, but might have a different notion of what needs to be done. Rather than seeking an uprising or engaging in hyperbolic reaction, I tend to think that the system can be changed using the methods afforded to use by the Framers and by current realities - voting and the tactics of striking, both in terms of employment and economically. I think we tend to give the government too much credit by thinking of them as some giant beast that cannot be contained. We do outnumber them millions to one.
Justified? I think it is. Correct? Probably not all the time. But I saw a picture of a dead Sandy Hook student getting a big hug from Obama, in the same dress she wore in her 'family photo'. That screams "false flag!". I don't even have to say anything, except to people who want to downplay the importance of it, to tell them to pull their heads out of the sand. The people NEED to let the government know that they aren't the gullible marks they were a hundred years ago.
Again, I empathize and agree with the basic thoughts presented here... though none of this validates any false flag beliefs at all. It simply explains the angst most of us feel today. Sure, the system is corrupt - but that doesn't mean that we can just hang any supposition or theory at their feet and be justified or correct in doing so.
First, journalism should be a craft, not an art. You lost me right there. The fact that you see journalism as an artform tells me that you feel there's a lot of license for the writers to just write whatever they want.
You have kind of tabled one of the things that has really bothered me during this period... the constant referral to the news as if it were somehow official. Just because some network broadcasts something doesn't make it official at all. Your daily paper probably devotes an entire column, daily, to retractions. Now if you want to argue that the art of journalism has died and lost all credibility? I will cheer you on and star all of your posts. But to equate what Brian Williams says each night as being official in any regard? It's just not correct at all.
Framing and CGI are covered in the "controlled opposition" and "counterintelligence" chapters of the Provocateurs Handbook.
As far as the tragedies go? if I have a neighbor who beats his wife and I decide that I'm going to call 911 on him the next time I hear her screaming... all I need to is wait for it to happen. I don't have to break into his house, beat his wife into a coma, and then try to frame him for it. I don't have to spend weeks making a CGI movie of him doing so to use as evidence. All I need to do is sit back and wait. If I don't want to wait, I can use propaganda to push things forward... drop a word in his ear and make it happen.
If you wish, YOU are violent. I don't identify myself as a violent person. Hell, I'm not even a Person! But that's another subject. I think that the constant barrage of violence is being fed to us to make us believe "we're a violent people" and perpetuate this madness.
That is to say, we're a violent people. The government doesn't have to fake mass murders... we do those just fine on our own. They might be deliberately creating an atmosphere that is conducive to such things. But to take the risks and waste the resources to fake it? And to do so every few months, as some here believe?
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The Libyan militia group that the State Department hired to defend its embattled diplomatic mission in Benghazi had clear al-Qaida sympathies, and had prominently displayed the al-Qaida flag on a Facebook page some months before the deadly attack.
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