Pres. Obama Tells Students to Reject Voices Warning of Tyranny Government at OSU graduation

During a commencement speech at OSU, the president tells the graduates that they should not listen to those who say that there is something wrong with the government.

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I thought we were full time citizens but here it comes. These speeches are sounding more and more like someone from the past. Someone with the same view.

Obama urged the large crowd to "reject" cynicism about government in an age of legislative gridlock and political divisiveness.

"We have never been a people who place all our faith in government so solve our problems, nor do we want it to. But we don’t think the government is to the source of all our problems, either,” Obama said. “As citizens, we understand that America is not about what can be done for us.”

Then who is the source of the problem? The ones that he is telling these young minds to not listen too.

To quote HItler...

"It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize
that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence
of the nation, that the position of the individual is conditioned solely
by the interests of the nation as a whole

He said this in 1933, the year he came to power. I have tried not to state this link but it is now all to evident.

and how do we stand up to a tyrannical government. With our right to bear arms....

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This is an act of civil disobedience, not a permitted event. We will march with rifles loaded & slung across our backs to put the government on notice that we will not be intimidated & cower in submission to tyranny." The event is said to be non-violent and states that if the group is met with physical resistance, they will turn back. "There's a remote chance that there will be violence as there has been from government before, and I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting," the event's page reads.

This will be a very, very interesting march if it comes to light. July 4th....it is time to let the government know that they cannot take everything away from us.

I wouldn't make the jump to Hitler, but his speech is concerning for many Americans in my opinion. The notion that we should just trust the Government, because they asked us to, is not ingrained in American culture (yet; it is getting close).

Ronald Reagan (comment on the quote, not the man) said it best when he said "Trust, but verify". It is a simple concept that should be applied to all sides.

To me, a speech such as this is laying the ground work to wholly discredit anyone who questions the actions of their Government as being "fringe" or "off". It plants a seed in the youth to look not to why people have a natural unease on the encroachment of the State, but rather they will reach back in their minds and remember that the President told them "not to worry; we are here to help" (paraphrase of course).

Effectively, the President has yet again carved out another portion of the population that doesn't think like he and has placed them on the "fringe".

Originally posted by ownbestenemy
I wouldn't make the jump to Hitler

Hitler the person has similarities, but Hitler the image is still a-ways off.

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I know it risky as there are those who read or hear that name and turn it off and think of screaming Hitler and the Holocaust. If people actually studied him they would have different thoughts than what you have been fed by your own country.

I made the jump to Hitler because this is what he stated in 1933...right before all the cards started to fall. His views are also not very far from what the Socialist agenda coming about in America right now is presenting. This is not a right or left issue but an issue of our rights as citizens.

Reagan believed more in Federalism than anything else as did our founding fathers. That is what the constitution is based upon. The ability to not allow the government to have more control that the states or the people and vice versa. This was taken away, again, in the early 1900's. It has taken 100 years but it is finally eroded to a point that the voice of those opposing is smaller than those who do not care. That is the scariest part of all.

Obama is pissed and his I am a cool guy you can trust me is wearing very thin,

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Good point, Obama.

The government is not the source of all of our problems, the government and also the economy are by and large dictated by behavioral patterns of the population as a whole. A politically apathetic people will be susceptible to corrupt reps and unaccountable agencies.

A lot of this and that gets said over the internet, but how many of the people here are out physically improving the knowledge level of their locality? I'm not, so you know what? I deserve a corrupt government and economy. Because, it wouldn't take a huge number of people in a given location to contradict the trend of an easily manipulated population. If people were to get out of their chairs and actually go outside to real people near by and start some kind of initiative toward higher individual/community empowerment, then before you know it a higher ethic society would probably pick up steam and maybe we'd get somewhere.

Talking about this stuff on the internet is fine, but the density of informed people remains low because a person has to have a certain amount of awareness to question the situation and end up on a site like this in the first place. What we need is true action in the real world creating masses of people who want to change the situation, develop pocket markets of higher culture which will inevitably produce a wider trend rapidly with a solid intellectual product to build off of.

Obama's right, the slow political process shouldn't discourage people from the possibility of swift improvements... our society and culture is driven by the market, not the elections.

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You should then. Get out of your chair and do something. I do. That is why I feel I have a voice that should be heard and is. At city council meetings...county meetings...school board meetings. I am that guy. The guy who shows up with facts and demands answers.

I start and self fund websites. The latest I did was after Sandy Hook to not make it partisan but about protecting our neighborhoods. I do not have Buffet money but I have, as of recent, made connections who can help. Assist. If you are silent, you will be one who is walking and wondering how the hell did I wind up here?

However, according to this speech, the graduates and 70,000 in attendance should not listen to me and the commander in chief is telling them that. This coming days after he blamed gun violence in Mexico on our gun laws. Slippery slope this one is making.

reply to post by esdad71

Looks like there are some errors in your Obama quote.

Youve also excluded the best parts. Listening to the speech, almost everything he says needs to be refuted not to mention the fact that he seems to contradict himself.

...we know this country cannot accomplish great things, if we pursue nothing greater than our own individual ambition.

This is basically a call to socialism, collectivism, that you as an individual are subservient to the many or the "greater good".

Here Murray Rothbard touches on this issue:

Unfortunately you've grown up, hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate sinister entity thats at the root of all our problems...

Government is a separate entity! Politicians have become elites with personal body guards with a different set of laws. They are bought and paid for by money interests.

They are not the root of ALL our problems but MANY if not MOST of them. Thats correct. I cant think of one government program that has worked. Social security, student loan debt, "Federal Reserve", the housing bubble; everything they touch, they ruin.

...They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices.

Lurking around the corner? Its here!

Raids on dairy farmers, raids on organic farms, warrant-less searches, warrant-less spying, "free speech zones", TSA, militarized police, city wide "lock downs", suspension of habeas corpus, indefinite detentions, "Patriot" Act, NDAA, secret renditions, black sites, preemptive lie based wars of aggression, torture, citizen watch lists, citizen kill lists, citizen assassinations...

'Cause what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self rule is somehow just a sham, with which we cant be trusted...

What does he mean "our"? The founding fathers sough to create a government which was restrained.

The government and system we have today seeks to grab as much power and strip us of as many rights as possible. Not at all what was intended.

The government has proven repeatedly that they cant be trusted!

...but we dont think that government is the source of all our problems either...

No not all, but a whole lot!

...because we understand that this democracy is ours and as citizens we understand that its not about what America can do for us, its about what can be done by us together, through the hard and frustrating but absolutely necessary work of self government...

So first he says as individuals, we cant have ambitions then tells us we need to "self govern"...

Society comes first but youre on your own? What the...

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Well, I don't know how tyrannical the regime really is or isn't. However, I do see that American culture is becoming more and more inclusive as a whole. More tolerant, more open-minded. As the policy makers and cultural impact sectors like entertainment are closely linked, I see a lot of signs that there is a good side to the top tier of our society. There are definitely forces attempting to create a better, more humanitarian world.

My hang up and trying to initiate change in our society is that I can't say I really know any better than the people in power. I question them at times, sure. But it's hard for me to come to the firm conclusion that the American regime is evil and that Obama is Hitler.

Honestly, if you're going around telling people that America's on the verge of this type of tyrannical coup then you better be damn sure of yourself. Otherwise you are doing more harm than good and creating unnecessary panic. This is the jist of what Obama is saying at OSU- if he is not a tyrant and does not believe tyranny is winning the battle for America than it is wise to ease the tension of the younger generations.

The theme of recent years seems to be to perpetuate inflated confidence as much as possible. My interpretation of this policy is that our leaders are trying to keep us from falling off a cliff... not making us less resistant to falling. So far this exaggerated trust has probably helped us more than it's hurt. America's social state has been teetering on a critical point for some time now and many have predicted collapse well before this point. I think the policy of encouraging trust has added to our stability since Obama took office and if we can get through the next four years without significant unrest then America will probably be in a pretty strong state.

it isn't just the power of the gun that needs to be preserved
its also the power of the PEN

the power of the gun is to preserve the power of the pen
which communicates the freedom of the mind

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Hitler is the most well known to invoke this sort of rhetoric, but isn't the only. I only say I wouldn't go there because people cannot have a discussion on the parallels, rather on the fact you highlighted that parallel.

There are far greater examples and they were highlighted in the Federalist Papers of what we should be wary of in terms of an ever-growing central government. Sadly, President Obama has decided that the growth of Government is what we need.

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I'm sorry man, but when you compare a democratically elected leader, who held other office in government before becoming president, to Adolf freaking Hitler, you've lost all credibility.

And read the whole line. He's saying, don't expect government to hand you everything, government isn't your daddy, and it's also not the source of all of your problems.

Which is true, the government is the FACT of most of your problems, not the source. the source, is you, the useless eater who doesn't vote yet demands their voice be heard, it's up to you to force your elected representatives to do your bidding or throw them out of office.

The source of most of Americas problems is the american public.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
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I'm sorry man, but when you compare a democratically elected leader, who held other office in government before becoming president, to Adolf freaking Hitler, you've lost all credibility.

you do realize that hitler was elected into office right.
and he demonized all other people and parties thAT DIDN'T AGREE WITH HIM, on his way there.
and after being legally elected he became the dictator


ETA: i correct my self he ran for office several times and never won. he was appointed chancellor of germany by hindenburg in 1933.

I think the man may protest too much..

The jig is up on thier racket it seems.

I find it fascinating that he actually touched on the subject. Not particularly fond of his simple retort of "you should reject these voices". Now, I'm not one of these people that are screaming about impending governmental tyranny (trepidations on the Constitution--yes...all out tyranny? no.) but simply just saying "you should reject these voices" and then, making a call to a greater cause just rubs me wrong. Criticism of the government has its place in a democracy. Actually, it's pretty pivotal for a democracy. If he wanted to say something that contradicted some of these "voices" then he should've made an attempt to do so instead of just saying "reject it" very firmly and making an appeal to grandeur. If he didn't have the time in that setting, then he probably should've just abstained from making a remark until he had an opportunity to address the nation and hit it point by point.

Originally posted by Golf66
I think the man may protest too much..

The jig is up on thier racket it seems.

yes, he seems to be trying to get the next batch of "young adults", that are still impressionable, to ignore the things that are taking place, and not to listen to the older generation that has seen some of what was truly our freedom in the U.S., although it may have been started to be taken away, people that were born in the 40's, 50's and 60's and up into the 70's, know more of freedom in the U.S. than any born lets say late 70's on.

i already made a thread on this. why is this still here?

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maybe because this is dated yesterday and yours is dated today, maybe because they are in two different forums.
maybe because they go into two different directions.

who knows the minds of the mods.

reply to post by esdad71

I think a very solid point can be made by noting that while parallels may exist for the actions of Hitler as the leader of Germany prior to what came to define him and the whole thing he came to lead? .......the nature of what did come later will forever be the MAIN thing that defines that name to the world.

It's kinda like saying, in terms of mental association only, George Washington was a great farmer and really could pack a harvest with the best of them! ...well, that too, would be accurate. Who ever recalls he was a farmer though?

One evil...one arguably, very good in historic figures. In both cases, so defined by the actions of a few years, forever, as to overshadow anything else ever said about them in any context. Just my two cents.

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well when i think of the founders, i think of men just like me.
working men who came together, to fight tyranny, and after the war and when they were not in washington,, although i can't remember all of their professions i know they went home and kept on as a working man. not as some career politician.