Are Aliens Greys (or other ETs) DNA-spliced, human-like Creations?

Hey all! As a Christian man (don't worry, I'm not gonna preach, lol) I personally believe that many alleged Alien photos are nothing more than DNA-altered/lab created biological creatures. I've heard from a military intelligence officer (related to a good friend of mine) that there are covert assignments dealing with altering human beings. I'm sure many of you may have heard the same idea. I also believe that demons have the capability to take on any form they want.

However, nowhere in scriptures have I found anything that says there are no Aliens, or at least other occupied planets in any galaxy/universe, etc. I was just wondering what some of your opinions are, if you have any. Thanks!

~Ranger

I've been knocking around that idea as of late -

That if they are real - perhaps they are in their state - because of genetic manipulation. Which is why they are so interested in our genetics. They are trying to reverse some of the damage. If this is the case. We might want to consider the dangers of our own genetic manipulations we ourselves do - to our food and ourselves.

I've also often wonder, if the grey aliens are us - breaking the time barrier - trying to come back and undue the damage genetic manipulation has wrought. Or once came from here, an on a trip around the milky way - are now are back - genetic manipulation and evolution changing their original state very drastically from our own.

Or they could be inter-dimensional or just completely different from us. Not human at all. It's all conjecture - but soo much fun to contemplate.

Also - Welcome to ATS Ranger.

Cirque

Originally posted by lr7gmx
personally believe that many alleged Alien photos are nothing more than DNA-altered/lab created biological creatures.

You are wrong. Any alleged alien photo is just fake.

I've heard from a military intelligence officer (related to a good friend of mine) that there are covert assignments dealing with altering human beings.

I doubt it. There's not much you can "alter" in terms of human beings. There is a gray area around what is morally right to do with DNA when it comes to humans, and what is being done in the most secret rooms.

I'm sure many of you may have heard the same idea. I also believe that demons have the capability to take on any form they want.

There are no demons.

However, nowhere in scriptures have I found anything that says there are no Aliens, or at least other occupied planets in any galaxy/universe, etc. I was just wondering what some of your opinions are, if you have any. Thanks!

That is correct. But since religions is based on following "rules", somewhere along the line you have to interpret the book in some way. And since the Bible focuses on the Earth (naturally, as it's written by human-beings from this planet) and telling that god created us as his image, assumptions were made by, well, in your case, Christianity.

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Cirque, you made some very interesting points, truly. I always think of the carvings in Peru or Egyptian hieroglyphics with trans-human creatures and wonder if they were worshiping a deity they believed to exist or whether they actually saw the creatures. I know even the Bible speaks of giants and strange creatures. Many giant skeletal remains have been unearthed as well.

~Ranger

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Would you please be so kind to tell me why you believe there are no demons? So...unearthly things I have witnessed at a Coven Esbat before becoming a Christian, even spoken with...what were those? People have been known to go bat$hit crazy while meddling with an Ouiji board. Please explain that.

~Ranger

Originally posted by lr7gmx
Would you please be so kind to tell me why you believe there are no demons?

There is a tiny pink elephant-ghost living under your left thumbnail. Could you please be so kind to tell me why that wouldn't be the case?

So...unearthly things I have witnessed at a Coven Esbat before becoming a Christian, even spoken with...what were those?

I don't know. I don't know you nor Coven Esbat, nor the setting(s) you were in.
However, there are many reasons why people can experience "strange" things, and can be explained as a direct consequence of the physical world and how it impacts the brain.
Chanting, for example, is a well-known method of altering mechanics that you normally have little control over. Such as heart-rate and therefore blood-flow and the amount of oxygen that the brain gets.

People have been known to go bat$hit crazy while meddling with an Ouiji board. Please explain that.

This one is easy. There has been experiments made clearly showing that the collective "will" controls the movement, not any unknown force. If you are interested, you can search and learn how it works.
If not, you can of course pretend that there are spirits involved.

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that's quite a hole you're digging for yourself there
philosophically and ontologically, if everything is all just brainfarts,if it's all just "matter in motion"
as your materialist point of view claims
what validity or worth do your doctrinal statements, having been made by an automaton have?

oh look, your little hole is caving in, and burying you!

no "matter", it's just molecules rearranging


as the OP, though a Xtian, has made the caveat that he will refrain from preaching
kindly show the same courtesy with regards to your own religion

reply to post by lr7gmx

this may be of interest
recommended reading:
The Advent of Ahriman by R. Steiner

ABSTRACT:

A powerful spiritual being, called "Ahriman" (or "Satan"), will incarnate in a human body. The terms "soul" and "spirit" have clear meanings. Earthly/cosmic evolution is an outcome of the deeds of the Gods. The central event of earth-evolution was the Incarnation of Christ. Spiritual powers of opposition are active: Lucifer, Ahriman, Sorat. Ahriman is the inspirer of materialistic science and commercialism, and permeates modern culture with deadening forces.

Ordinary scientific thinking is only semi-conscious; we can, however, make thinking conscious. The spirits of opposition are necessary in the Gods' evolutionary design. Ahriman manifests especially at 666-year intervals; the contemporary is 1998 AD = 3x666. Goethean science is a life-positive alternative to Ahrimanic science. Ahriman-in-the-flesh will likely present himself as the Christ. The Christ does not reappear in a physical body, but in a super-physical, ethereal form. Ahriman may incarnate "macrocosmically" in our computers.

Mankind will acquire new faculties of thinking-consciousness and clairvoyance. Ahriman seeks to pervert these faculties, and to divert mankind and the earth from their destined paths in the Gods' evolutionary plan. Ahrimanic secret societies influence politics, finance, and culture. A false "Maitreya" is "emerging" as a false Christ. An epistemology of conscious thinking supports the expansion of consciousness to the perception of spiritual truths.

i imagine that fleshly "demons" toiling away beneath the depths of the earth
creating new diseases, and creating all manner of abominations by tampering with genes
don't believe in demons either

reply to post by Nevertheless


You seem to be coming off as condescending or that you have it all figured out. It's easy for you to say demons aren't real. Why, because you haven't seen them? And what about what I originally asked about - DNA splicing, etc.?

~Ranger

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Thanks for supportive words and the information.

Originally posted by TheMagus
reply to post by Nevertheless

 

that's quite a hole you're digging for yourself there

Actually, no.

philosophically and ontologically, if everything is all just brainfarts,if it's all just "matter in motion"
as your materialist point of view claims
what validity or worth do your doctrinal statements, having been made by an automaton have?

It is unclear to me what you mean, but I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong, please) one of the two, so I will answer to both:

1. "Worth": Matter is doing all the work - not you
Well, I AM merely matter, there is no other parts of "me" outside of that. So yes, it is perfectly fine to give credit/discredit to the individual particles if you so please. But since you already have a good grasp of what is "me", it's convenient to stick to that.

2. Validity / automaton
Are you confusing "matter in motion" with chaos and thereby saying that what is being said is random?

oh look, your little hole is caving in, and burying you!
no "matter", it's just molecules rearranging

Well yes, if I would physically being caved in, yes, it would just be matter rearranging.
It would be very unpleasant [for me] but that too wouldn't *matter* shortly after.

as the OP, though a Xtian, has made the caveat that he will refrain from preaching
kindly show the same courtesy with regards to your own religion

I have only answered to the OP, and thereafter to questions asked by others. What makes it preaching?
Also, I have no religion.

Originally posted by lr7gmx
You seem to be coming off as condescending or that you have it all figured out.

I don't have it all figured out, and I never will. Some things I have learned about this world, though.

It's easy for you to say demons aren't real.

Actually, it's not.
Again, please tell me why there isn't a tiny pink elephant-ghost living under your thumbnail.
Unfortunately, the only way to learn about the world is to explore it and try to understand where we are, not "believe".

Why, because you haven't seen them?

No, not because I haven't seen them. I have a family-member who nearly died and saw paradise. I believe every word of the experience and I have [slightly foolishly though, I admit] no reason to doubt that. In fact, I grade it as it would have been myself having the experience.
The person became religious after that, which isn't strange. As a child, I took that for face value, and lived in quote religious circles myself.
However, learning about the world, I can now understand how these experiences occur and know that they are consequences of the physical world. The inexplicable is no longer that.

So yes, If I saw a demon, I would believe what I see, but also be able to explain it.
Hopefully, in my case, the explanation wouldn't be that I'm ill.

And what about what I originally asked about - DNA splicing, etc.?
~Ranger

I think I answered that.

They most certainly can be. But I hope not. Can you imagine a race of human-like beings that are capable of interstellar travel? The universe would be doomed with greed.

They can look human, I just hope they don't act like humans.

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So if you saw something that came off as demonic, like an ethereal, spirit-like apparition, and had a dialogue with it -- how would you explain that?

Because in my own experience with that, I believe it to have been demonic.

reply to post by lr7gmx

Would you please be so kind to tell me why you believe there are no demons?

Sure.

The word "demon" is derived from the Greek mythological term daemon.

A daemon is a Greek spirit, which is neither good, nor evil. It is the spectral embodiment of the life-essence of the human being which it accompanies. The daemon is a manifestation of your soul. It wasn't until Plato, and his student Xenocrates that the daemon took on the possibility of being evil, which was then absorbed into the Judeo-Christian religious mindset.

Additionally, many "demons" recognized by the Catholic Church are nothing more than Pagan deities, whom the Israelites encountered during their failed attempt to conquer ancient West Asia. Therefore, they are no more "demonic" than YHVH and Jesus are. If Ba'al-Zebul (Beelzebub) is a demon because of his Canaanite origin, than YHVH is a demon because of his Hebraic origin. "Demon" is just a bigoted term for "not my personal deity," and as such, it has no bearing on reality—beyond bringing to light the user's personal, bigoted, and biased opinions concerning other religions.

If there are "demons," then your own soul, and your own God/s are among them. But, I somehow doubt you'd be willing to agree with that.

So...unearthly things I have witnessed at a Coven Esbat before becoming a Christian, even spoken with...what were those?

Psychosomatic manifestations of archetypal emanations.

Or, in simpler terms, people resonating with their own subconscious. All of Wicca, witchcraft, Paganism, Druidry, and even various forms of Satanism come down to just that: recognition of our archetypal nature, and the use of drama, mediation, and theatricality to act out, or "manifest," those archetypes.

All of Pagan religion, which is where modern covens get their deities, their Esbats and Sabbats, and their worship practices from, stem from archetypes.

Take the Great Goddess, for example, a common Wiccan deity. The Great Goddess is a mother-goddess, a manifestation of the archetype of motherhood, something which, archetypally, all human females should be capable of experiencing.

The mother-goddess has been present throughout the Pagan mythologies of the ancient world. Just for a small sampling, here are some of the ones I am more familiar with:

From Sumer, Akkad, Assyria, and Babylonia there were Ninhursag, Inanna, Damkina, Ishtar, Sarpanitum, and Tashmetum.

In Egypt you had a plethora: Nuit the sky-mother, Hathor the "house of Horus," Isis the Queen of Heaven, Sekhmet/Bast, and Mut whose name literally means "mother."

In the Levant, were Judaism took root, you have Asherah who was YHVH's wife, and Anat who was Ba'al's wife.

In Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) there were Hannahannas the Great Mother, Hebat the Solar Mother, Agdistis the Mountain Mother, and Kybele the Vegetation Mother.

In the European faiths you have Gaia & Hera from Greek Paganism; Freyja & Frigg from Norse Paganism; and figures like the Deae Matronae from the mainland Celts.

All are Pagan deities—what you would probably call demons—who represent motherhood, something which is obviously present throughout nature. So, no, they are not demonic. Just archetypal, which, at it's core, means: human.

People have been known to go bat$hit crazy while meddling with an Ouiji board. Please explain that.

This can be psychologically, neurologically, and physically explained as well through use of the Ideomotor Effect, which means: you want it to happen, so your own subconscious will makes it so. Nothing magickal, or spiritual involved, just good ol' fashioned human error.

For added proof that the Ouija Board doesn't work, here's a clip from the Penn and Teller TV show "Bull#" which demonstrates the ineffectual nature of the Ouija Board. The entire video is interesting, but the specific demonstration where the Oiuja Board is shown to be ineffective begins around 13:00 below:



~ Wandering Scribe

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Why go to SO MANY great lengths, NOT to believe? And have you experienced anything on your own accord and not just read about it? I have seen apparitions in a completely non-inviting setting, completely at random. And I am not mentally deluded and am respected as quite sane in my community.

~Ranger

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Why go to SO MANY great lengths, NOT to believe?

If I have gone to "great lengths," it has not been to disbelieve, but to understand.



~ Wandering Scribe



P.S., the Ouija Board didn't take any great lengths... I saw the episode on TV when it aired, and looked the show up on Youtube to watch more episodes. Probably the laziest investigation I have done on anything, heh.

Originally posted by lr7gmx
reply to post by Nevertheless

 

So if you saw something that came off as demonic, like an ethereal, spirit-like apparition, and had a dialogue with it -- how would you explain that?

I can't attempt to explain how/why an experience occurred if it hasn't occurred. If I could, I'd be lying, because I'd explain the reason for why something that didn't happen happened.

Because in my own experience with that, I believe it to have been demonic.

Just like having out-of-body experiences, seeing paradise, "feeling" god, people do tend to believe them as you say. "I saw it with my very own eyes!".
We now know however that not all we "see", "hear" or "feel", come through the eyes, ears or sensory receptors.

You, my friend,

Originally posted by Nevertheless

Originally posted by lr7gmx
Would you please be so kind to tell me why you believe there are no demons?

There is a tiny pink elephant-ghost living under your left thumbnail. Could you please be so kind to tell me why that wouldn't be the case?

So...unearthly things I have witnessed at a Coven Esbat before becoming a Christian, even spoken with...what were those?

I don't know. I don't know you nor Coven Esbat, nor the setting(s) you were in.
However, there are many reasons why people can experience "strange" things, and can be explained as a direct consequence of the physical world and how it impacts the brain.
Chanting, for example, is a well-known method of altering mechanics that you normally have little control over. Such as heart-rate and therefore blood-flow and the amount of oxygen that the brain gets.

People have been known to go bat$hit crazy while meddling with an Ouiji board. Please explain that.

This one is easy. There has been experiments made clearly showing that the collective "will" controls the movement, not any unknown force. If you are interested, you can search and learn how it works.
If not, you can of course pretend that there are spirits involved.

Are a very rude person. You are telling the OP/members that they are completely wrong and answering their questions with stupid, STUPID replies. Where is your evidence for all this nonsense? Where?

I have noticed you doing this in a few threads. Why don't you just be nice ffs

OP, I often think about the same things as you have stated. I do believe in good and evil, demons and angels and I completely believe the " Shadow Government " are producing " Evil Humans " through experimentation.

I'm not a religious person by any means however, I can totally connect with you on this

Be safe be well

Spiro

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Good and evil, angels and demons, but not religious?

Do you even know where angels and demons come from?

A little old thing we like to call religion.

And not just Judeo-Christian religion either. A host of religions from around the world have angelic messenger beings wrapped up in their mythologies.

Whether you're referencing the apkallu of Mesopotamia, the Devas of Hinduism, the choirs of Judaism, the daemons of Greece, the archangels of Christianity, the Naagloshii of the Navajo, or the Kachina of the Hopi doesn't matter. All of them stem from a religious belief centered around a mystical, or spiritual bond between the Creator and lower octaves of creatures, like humans and animals.

You cannot actually believe in angels and demons without having some kind of religious foundation for them.

As for the user Nevertheless, they're entitled to their own opinion. Just because you disagree doesn't mean they are being rude. Coddling to every primitive, unfounded belief, or crackpot philosophy is not a good way to "deny ignorance." Sometimes a heavy hand, and a sharp word work best when trying to cut through the haze which being swept up in your own personal philosophies can create.

~ Wandering Scribe