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So why keep denying the effect of thoughts communicated by words to feeling beings? It only helps the bully, it does not do anything to empower the bully’s victim, it just denys their feelings and makes the wrong the bully is doing seem like it’s the fault of the hearer of their thoughts.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Kashai
I would agree that something within the brain is the cause.
I would argue that the word is the cause for the brain to react the way it does and without the word, the autonomic responses would have never occurred.
Starting a car requires a conscious effort and until someone does the car is off.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Kashai
I would argue that the word is the cause for the brain to react the way it does and without the word, the autonomic responses would have never occurred.
I would argue that the brain processing the data into information is the cause. Outside the mind, words are like all sensual stimulus—merely data.
Starting a car requires a conscious effort and until someone does the car is off.
Exactly, the key is not the cause of cars starting.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by BDBinc
So why keep denying the effect of thoughts communicated by words to feeling beings? It only helps the bully, it does not do anything to empower the bully’s victim, it just denys their feelings and makes the wrong the bully is doing seem like it’s the fault of the hearer of their thoughts.
If the bully knows words hurt, he will use them. If the bully knows words don't hurt, he won't use them.
You're guilty of giving the bully power where he should have none. You're also guilty of saying the bullied persons are incapable of overcoming what is said about them.
Asking a computer to run a program causes the program to run and without the request the program does not run. If you erase the program but keep the icon that is supposed to start it nothing happens. The icon does not work because the program is no longer available therefor the icon is useless.
A word without meaning to a person is like the icon of a deleted program and as such I do not see how you seem to be separating words and [their] meaning.
Most of us know better and it has been proven( neurobiology ) that bully's thoughts/words can hurt the bullied.
Saying that bullied persons "overcoming" the hurt of harmful thoughts and words ( that often stick with that child for life) is your exposition that you acknowledge words hurt. .
Well done.
Hurtful and hateful thoughts/words hurt.
word |wərd|
noun
a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, used with others (or sometimes alone) to form a sentence and typically shown with a space on either side when written or printed.
• a single distinct conceptual unit of language, comprising inflected and variant forms.
• (usu. words) something that someone says or writes; a remark or piece of information: his grandfather's words had been meant kindly | a word of warning.
• speech as distinct from action: he conforms in word and deed to the values of a society that he rejects.
• [ with negative ] (a word) even the smallest amount of something spoken or written: don't believe a word of it.
• (one's word) a person's account of the truth, esp. when it differs from that of another person: in court it would have been his word against mine.
• (one's word) a promise or assurance: everything will be taken care of—you have my word.
• (words) the text or spoken part of a play, opera, or other performed piece; a script: he had to learn his words.
• (words) angry talk: her father would have had words with her about that.
• a message; news: I was afraid to leave Washington in case there was word from the office.
• a command, password, or motto: someone gave me the word to start playing.
• a basic unit of data in a computer, typically 16 or 32 bits long.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Kashai
Asking a computer to run a program causes the program to run and without the request the program does not run. If you erase the program but keep the icon that is supposed to start it nothing happens. The icon does not work because the program is no longer available therefor the icon is useless.
We are nothing like computers. There's a whole literature on computers, language and "thinking".
A word without meaning to a person is like the icon of a deleted program and as such I do not see how you seem to be separating words and [their] meaning.
The meaning is in the person who understands the word. I believe I've said this at least once a page.
edit on 17-5-2013 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)
I could not possibly agree with what you are saying as it makes little sense.
galadofwarthethird
Words have no meaning but that what you give them. SO yes, words can inflict pain both mentally and physically. It all just depends what and if you apply any meaning what so ever to said words.