Adam (vs the Man) Kokesh organizing an armed civil disobedience march on D.C.

I say do it! It is about time someone took a stand. Of course unless he can get the NRA in on the march there will only be like three people there, ten if you count some of the nuts from Doomsday Preppers..........

Make no mistake I would like to see it happen. Unlike some of the other posters here I think that enough people peacefully toting rifles slung over their backs might just get away with it. One nut points one gun at anyone or anything though and it is gonna be a slaughter.

I was in South Florida in the 80's when some new gun control laws allowed open carry. It was the most polite place I had ever been. Guns do make bullies stop being bullies. Unless of course the only gun is in the hands of a bully.

We all need to supports Adams cause, whether you think he is wrong or right he is doing something that our forefathers would be very proud of and that's something you cant say about a lot of our elected officials. We need his passion to spread like wild fires because this rogue government is attacking our liberties on every front. Our so called elected officials no longer represent the people of this country, they represent the interests of the banks and they are disconnected from the reality we all live in. They have no idea what the people want nor do they care. Our country has been under siege since the enactment of the federal reserve act of 1913. Since this act took affect we have slowly been losing our elected officials one by one, the international banking cartel has strategically placed politicians in places of power waiting for the day that they would have full control of our system, and that time has come, that time is now. Our federal reserve system is milking our country dry and doing it intentionally. Bankers have held nations hostage many times using the same formula. We have been in conflict with banks since their inception, Jesus Himself turned over the tables of the money exchangers, He saw his people being enslaved by the taxation of His people and it enraged Him so much that this is the only recorded incident of Him ever lashing out. Let me be clear when i make this next statement, I believe totally that Jesus sacrificed Himself for our sins and that he did this so that all His people would see the wrong in what the priests of the temple were doing. By compromising with the Romans the church was leading the people into the hands of wolves instead of the hands of God which they were sworn to do. They killed Jesus because of what he was saying, but also and probably more important to them, he was interrupting the flow of money and they could not let that happen so they crucified Him as an example to everyone. Every great man that has stood up against the money exchangers or the federal reserve has had their lives cut short. Abraham Lincoln, to support his war efforts, created what is known as "Greenbacks". This was money printed by the government free of interest,but to do so he makes a compromise with banker lobbyists, this compromise would later lead to the federal reserve act of 1913. The "Greenbacks were so successful that in a public speech a few days after his re-election the president proposed to make the Greenbacks system permanent, 10 days later he is assassinated, coincidence? I think not. Then along comes another great president who would try to stop the bankers, John F. Kennedy. On June 4, 1963 President Kennedy signs executive order 11110 which essentially strips the power away from the federal reserve to loan money to the government with interest, in short the privately owned federal reserve was about to be put out of business, before this order can be fully engaged John F. Kennedy is assassinated. Ronald Reagan inquired about the stock of gold in fort knox and was toying with the idea of backing the dollar with gold, he was shut down swiftly with an assassination attempt, although he did survive, he does not speak of this again. In our present time we have been fully taken over to the highest level, our presidency. The bankers now control our government 100 percent and you can see it in many ways, the wars, the purging of our military, and the breaking up of families. Our lives are spent in slavery chasing numbers for the banks, we have forgotten our morals, our faith, our families. We now spend our lives to busy to focus on anything but making that next dollar so we can pay our bills. This is all by design, the bankers control inflation by raising and lowering interest rates, to build up the economy the banks lower interest rates and let everyone prosper for awhile, they let the people build the wealth for them, and once they feel its enough, they raise interest rates and start to pull all the money back out of the system, in doing this they cause the depression intentionally, and when people cant pay off their debts the banks swoop in and repossess all of the peoples property for pennies on the dollar. WAKE UP PEOPLE we need people like Adam Kokesh and Alex Jones and Ron Paul standing up to the government, it is our duty as an american citizen to check our government if they no longer represent WE THE PEOPLE. Voting is a joke now, we need hand counted ballots, we need to abolish the electoral vote, we need to regain control of our government on all fronts, until then WE KEEP FIGHTING WE KEEP PROTESTING WE NEED TO BE UNITED AND ORGANIZED REST ASSURED THE ENEMY IS WELL PREPARED THEY HAVE BEEN WANTING THIS WAR SINCE THE FOUNDING OF OUR COUNTRY NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION AND AGAIN I ASSURE YOU WE ARE NOT BEING REPRESENTED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION OBAMA SEEMS ASHAMED TO BE AMERICAN AND HE NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED AND ARRESTED FOR HIS WAR CRIMES

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Hope it's goes through peacefully.

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Couldn't watch the vids, but this guy seems to be doing a good thing, but this spells disaster.

Even though I'm not a big fan of guns, I support his "non-violent protest", though I'm not sure if it will fly over well

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I will be the first to say this; Sir, please make some paragraphs. Trying to read that is nearly impossible and it makes it appear to be more of a manic rant than an actual opinion.

Alternative lens Again...from years of being a hard core Leninist Leftie (I got smart and left the party long story don't need to get into but lets just say I Know the psychology very well, and growing up in Fundie right wing enviro, Know that too, yea I rebelled and got heavy into radical Poli so...) from an alternative lens,

I applaud the spirit and idea and like both Adam, Alex and Anon, agree on numerous points, disagree on others, but so be it,

But on this, BAD IDEA. Here's why...first, it's reactionary, which is Exactly what the engineers/behmod psyops want, they knew how the pro gun folks would react to Boston, they're not Stupid, unethical yes, stupid no. It smells of psyops to a degree that a monkey could see it and not talking about the ones already in labs who know how Evil these corps are. Why, for Several reasons. It plays Right into the global left progressive fascist merged with Nazi hands, the people, by far are too complacent, or flat out historical stupid and especially of our policies and WELL TRAINED psyops and coups and torture of dissidents in Other nations/continents, South America/Central good example there, etc. three they are Easily placated by commercialism, and brainwashed dependent on idiot box news owned by none other than military complex, etc. so we don't Even have the support numbers Needed for a Successful revolt, civil war yes a revolt NO, and a civil war mind you in a pluralist divided class/race stratified system well embedded with centralists as a MINORITY, forget common sense. So, right there, the cards are stacked against common decent folk,

Then, we have the fringe groups that ARE armed to the gills who the gov leaves alone and I'm talking about the Muslim/Black nationalist militants in up state NY, parts of CO, Nebraska, etc, I read of one group bought up land near caves, so...here you have patriots, risking not just being arrested but arms confiscated...NOT too bright. In addition to that, let's say, god forbid, a Tiamen Square type of crisis develops at this protest, what ever fence sitters there is will be demoralized and Paralyized with Fear, NOT a good idea when you are trying to Wake people out of their stupor.

Next, guns, yea grab de guns, look the PTB are not worried about guns, they have the tech, resources and Know how from Decades of terrorizing Other nations to wipe out a gun toting revolt in a heartbeat. Their weapons, satellite tech, etc alone, would stamp out any revolts...which would lead to even a more police state and terror, as well as civil war, like the one in former Yugoslavia...which the Enemies of America would jump on like a fly on manure. Simply pit, it's too reactionary, too many of these men shoot from the hip, reactionary, many of them thuggish, no sense whatsoever, no strategy, no KNOWLEGE of defense or offense, other than a few from military backgrounds, and I would even hesitate there, age gap, etc. this isn't 1776 nor is it 1943, our gov has been fighting and training despots and military juntas for decades, fighting in worst regions of world & using the most unethical means. THIS is what we are up against. I read men all the time glorifying in the throes of war, YeeHaw they say...that's Easy when it's not YOUR daughters ganged raped, destroyed, hating YOU because they'll ask, what could you have done to prevent, etc. that's just an example, but these men, Have they thought this out, the ramifications are not over in weeks, even years, we're talking LIFETIMES. Our enemy isn't King Goerge over yonder, it's right in our backyard and an enemy that is allied with despots worldwide. As well as traitors INSIDE, against the People.

Where's the strategy? Do they even know where the enemy's power lies? Anything, other than yahoo let's go get some action. That works in Hollywood, not in real life. Now, this is NOT to say, rely on votes, Waste of time...or to only Protest, another waste of time. But to say, IF the People are SERIOUS about getting rid of corruption, then they going to need a hell of a lot more than a few foul mouth talking men with their guns, they need STRATEGY, offense, defense, RESOURCES, where to attack resources, allies, plan Bs and Plan Cs, etc. You get my drift...look Most people don't even Know their frickin Geography Or geology, and they gonna fight a Revolution??? are you Serious? Bug out camping trips ain't gonna do it either...they have the tech to snuff out (and it's been by design for decades) oh good ole boy joe in a heartbeat. IT would be ONE thing, if there was a fifty percent angry driven by MISERY Populus, we are no where near there yet. This isn't expertise, this is just plain Poli Sci historical guerilla warfare sense. WE need a Militant no compromise RESISTANCE, I Totally agree on that, but we NEED one, with some Intelligence, with some humility to be flexible enough to Listen, to wisdom. Read the comments on these vids about this protests, majority if them are social retards...if we don't have smarter than that, we Doomed

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This is great !


I wish i could be there to show solidarity, but thanks to obamaconomy i cant afford the gas and expenses

However will spread the message, I have relatives in the DC area that will show no doubt. I am going to be tickled when these gun grabbing sell outs/traitors soil their manties in terror lol

They barked up the wrong tree, you can have my gun when you pry it out my cold dead hands @ gun grabbing Benedict Arnold's.


Godspeed Adam and true patriots

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This is likely to go poorly. However, if it remains peaceful, but people are arrested for carrying their weapons, it could easily end up in the Supreme Court. As illinois' courts have decided the 2nd amendment will be upheld despite politicians' decisions, so might the US Supreme Court be forced to decide whether to uphold the Constitution or not.

To add

As a life-long NRA member and a guy that believes in the constitution and against big government or any NEW gun laws I am totally against this march!
This could be exactly what the government needs to 'prove a point' and to 'put down' a possible armed confrontation!
Anyone that takes part in this is just adding fuel to the ant-gun problem!

Originally posted by wulff
As a life-long NRA member and a guy that believes in the constitution and against big government or any NEW gun laws I am totally against this march!
This could be exactly what the government needs to 'prove a point' and to 'put down' a possible armed confrontation!
Anyone that takes part in this is just adding fuel to the ant-gun problem!

Concur, I just watched the latest vid which has a bit more detail, one good addition was Adams inclusion of non carrying gun protesters falling in back of the line, and I think, That would be better, at least make the protest about more than just gun rights. The concern I have is how Easily the media (and you know they will) will turn this into the legit complaint being nothing more than a bunch of livid mad white men over their guns, etc., and of course they'll run with that. BUT they can't dismiss is easily the RAGE of Thousands of
Americans over

Blatant police brutality and flagrantly flaunting a Complete disregard for Civil, Constitutional and Human rights, Corrupt courts and corrupt child murdering and raping by proxy Court systems, CPS, Mental Health abuses, etc (pharma), foreclosures and corrupt banking, etc etc etc., there are Numerous Constitutional Violations that should have been Revolted against decades ago, but to do so when it's about guns now, you now the media/globalists will have a hay day with this.

Another concern, is the paramilitaries (Boston) pointing guns in American faces and marching them OUT of their homes without warrants, barely caused a stir...THAT'S a concern, because it goes to show just how tolerant of despotism most Americans are, I mean few even protests the blatant sexual assaults and GLARINGLY Nazi type of assaults on Disabled Children even by TSA in our airports, those are just a FEW examples btw out of MANY, but they are Extreme enough in their provoking real angry dissent but yet, it's been quite dull, other than whining, from the home front from most. The media placated with the oh were so sorry we know it's harsh But...and then people are like, yea well ya know, it could be worse, ho hum...again they rationalize, do some Shopping and all is well again, la it da...I mean unless it's THEM in that jail cell it's not much chance they'll give a rats ass, know what I'm saying,

I deal with Mothers whose Children have been raped, beaten, even killed by Court Ordered abuse/judges and they even get jailed if they Dare speak (gag orders) and yet, even when people are aware it's "oh that's sad, too bad, la to da" and all the media has to do is a SPIN on it and it's back to dumb down land. So I can see it now, something happens, and it's liberal media (the not real liberal more like black boot lovers) is all over it with the "oh look at those White men and their guns and oh we need to get rid of those Imperialists and Christian blah blah blah and oh they are scaring the children crap type of propaganda they do" and people will watch and go well yea, I mean they shouldnt be carrying arms, you KNOW how the LYING media will play this out. They did the same to Occupy, made them all look like a bunch if dope smoking not want to work losers, and the local State medias are Notorious for this. It's not the main media, it's the Local medias, that do the most damage. That's the ones Majority of middle class working class VOTERS pay attention to. What they see and what influences them. Not Everyone gets info from computer, and it's That, that concerns me, like Alex said, Alternative sources are just NOW making a DENT, last thing we need, is for that to be jeopardized. At the Same time however, it's almost well no, it IS, the PTB are really forcing the hand here aren't they, so I guess, eventually, it will come down to a standstill, things can't go on like this without Something catastrophic, I just wished there was better cohesion and far better strategy to deal with the aftermath, not to be offensive but this nations people have been soft for TOO long, and reactionary revolts usually wind up stomped out pretty dang quick. We forget, our ancestors, didn't have really a place to go home to, a lot of differences between then and now...they lost wives, children etc Getting here, in spite of yes their many flaws, they knew Real Oppression, well some of them did, this is generation that has tolerated a lot of gov abuse With open support (as long as it was done to someone else) and Years of illegit gov gaining power. I Strongly agree we Have to do Something and soon, but we must Also choose our battles wisely, because we're in for the long haul. I just dont think many zealots, understand that...what the Costs will be, I'll borrow a quote from Mao, Revolution is no tea party. On That, he was right...(yea I use to read a lot about Revolutions, as well as their catastrophic absolutism, genocides, etc, it's not so cut and dry, by no means and a lot of reactionaries, don't Think.

Originally posted by LastStarfighter
Going to DC in armed militia is the most insane idea you could have. If I didn't know better I'd say the guy organizing it is in the pocket of the people who want disarm the entire country.

Anyone that tries to form a militia and go up against DC really is just an attention seeker.

I don't really think he's in the pocket of the machine that rules us, but it will probably turn out to appear that way to many.

Think of how vietnam beat the US. You don't win against power by getting in their face.

Exactly. Unfortunately too many of us still don't think the powerful few are getting in our faces quite enough yet to react. Maybe a lot of them will never get to that point.

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." - Claire Wolfe

billstclair.com...

Just to clarify, again I STRONGLY support everything Adam says, as well as Anon, I don't hide that, or that I'm yes, militant, my hate and yes, it's Hate, of corrupt government is over the Thousands of CHILDREN murdered by proxy and Deliberate design, in this nation, and I'll NEVER forgive, or FORGET, nor Excuse, man or woman that supports that # no matter what the banality of evil says. But even with the hate, there has to be wisdom, or you do more harm to the ones you're fighting FOR, and yes, many times it feels as if it's doing nothing. (many of my sisters ARE in jail for protecting Children from harm and they have No voice, support, have been driven bankrupt, have suffererped horrific violence and yes THIS EVIL is going on IN America with Most peoples support, so...) I would love to see the butchers trembling and justice riding in, but I know how evil the system is, as some of you here also know and how they Twist everything,

But worse, is the apathy and indifference of a pretty big majority and why I stress, we need strategies, not just protests. We can't organize massive walk outs because there simply isn't the community to hold each other up, too much each to his own, NOT a good idea if you're going up against a corrupt and very Organized machinery. We're too divided, some progress there but not near enough...the solidarity (yes I'll use the left terms as I Know them from advocacy, etc) just isn't cohesive enough, money is tight (legal defense which is a joke anyway if needed for arrests) and there's the toll it takes n the families, etc., and it's these wearing down battles that Weaken the resolve, and in an already in terror to some degree (the images of Boston for example DO have an effect in making people afraid) and to a people who for the most part Trusted gov, believed the lies, etc., well any mass outbreak could do more damage than good...and that's the last thing we need. It plays into the corrupt hands. Networking online, while good, leaves us wide open, for Sabatoge, Know what I'm saying...it has at least the ability to wake people up and inform and cause critical thought, but at the same time it flushes those who the despots say, reeducate, out, if ya Kniw what I'm saying. Then there is those who really think, oh it's not THAT bad yet...denial, still is rampant, sad to say. We're in a race against Time, in a huge way, but what to DO about, that's another question and I didn't have the answers, but I do think, one protests we Know don't do much of anything but cause a brief validation that hey others see and no it's not just us. It's like a small spark from a campfire but it goes out pretty quick, unless the conditions are super dry...conditions aren't that dry yet I suppose. This gun march, would be a pretty big spark, but I'm afraid the firemen will water it away with their giant hoses. Still not dry enough...and others are more concerned over saving their vacation homes than saving the forest. (analogy). People need to start giving a care about the Forest, because vacation homes can be rebuilt, once that Forest is gone, and only Desolation is left, ain't gonna do any good to have a home much less a vacation home...THAT'S what needs to be driven in. Some get that, too many others, not only don't get that, heck many don't even Care one way or another, as long as there is an emergency shelter (they'll welcome FEMA camps like good sheep), they won't bother. But then, Maybe, Adam is right, if anything, it Will force the hand, so...hmmm, guess we will just see...

This is the wrong guy and the wrong way to go about this.

His ridiculous circus at the monument proves he has an agenda - in that case, he fully intended to get arrested. He pushed it so it would happen. And what exactly will he push in this case? What will he do to reach his new agenda? The dancing at the monument was ludicrous. It was pointless, and he got exactly what he wanted.

If he wants to come off as a martyr again, it could get messy. I hope they just arrest him at the outset and be done with it.

Originally posted by frazzle

Originally posted by LastStarfighter
Going to DC in armed militia is the most insane idea you could have. If I didn't know better I'd say the guy organizing it is in the pocket of the people who want disarm the entire country.

Anyone that tries to form a militia and go up against DC really is just an attention seeker.

I don't really think he's in the pocket of the machine that rules us, but it will probably turn out to appear that way to many.

Think of how vietnam beat the US. You don't win against power by getting in their face.

Exactly. Unfortunately too many of us still don't think the powerful few are getting in our faces quite enough yet to react. Maybe a lot of them will never get to that point.

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." - Claire Wolfe

billstclair.com...

One I LOVE that quote by Claire Wolfe, how right on That is. Two, bring up a good point, that should be interjected, about comparing this to Vietnam. Well for one, that was a completely different war and reason for, so we're talking about Two very different developments leading up to, etc., however, one thing about Vietnam that should be taken Into consideration, and that is, one reason for the defeat (one, not THE only just one) in Vietnam was the numbers of replenished troops backed and sent by China. Correct me if I'm wrong, but now,

In any discussion about revolt, just discussion now, against the politic of America, so often forgotten or neglected is the fact, that it's not just OUR government that is screwing us over per se, so let's say, there was to be a full blown civil war or revolution, do people not think that China wouldn't step in? And the we DO have some mega problems...people often forget about China, of course any one with any Poli KNOWLEGE at all should suspect Saudi making its waves, that's obvious, but now China, that's a whole different can of worms...yes they have their own problems, etc etc Kniw that, but we're talking a Global order and it wouldn't just Be the US gov, referring to Adams speech etc., a lot of corrupt investment from Outside that would have a lot to lose IF let's say, there was a major revolt on a scale to massively disrupt. See I may be over thinking this but I am of the opinion that it's not the United States gov alone, hardly, more like the United States of the Global Network type of fascist corp that, if one domino falls there will bothers to take its place...a little different situ now compared to 1776. US is a major world power, not some developing nation, it's things like this, that I have to wonder if resistance leaders even think through...forget most Americans, I mean, look not to be offensive, probably am I don't hold a lot of hope, cynical I admit, but it's kind of pathetic that Americans, yea those we would want support from, didn't even know where the hell Chechnya was in the map or know anything About Chechnya, I mean THAT'S the mentality were dealing with here. See you yes can blame government for a lot, yes it's corrupt, yada yada, but you know, it's that way BECAUSE many don't even care enough to even read what's going in the world, or even what Nation states are IN the world for that matter. Which yes why it IS so easy for the media to brainwash, there comes a time when WE The PEOPLE themselves have to take some ownership, for allowing things to get this deplorable. And Granted, many yes are waking up...but not Near enough, so you take That fact, mix it with the march/protest with the media hype and mass ignorance, what Few not dumbed down people there is, we kind of need for them to Stay out of jail, or at Least, have a much better Organized Resistance that isn't ten percent intelligence and eighty percent reactionaries who just think its cool to kick some ass...(going by many of the comments from supporters on these sites/vids, sorry but many of them are simply idiots, with a world knowledge comparable to that of a thirteen year old). Well anyway, I hope, but at the same time, I'm skeptical...I will say however, at least there are some young people who Care enough, as risky as it is, to lay it on the line, and That's more than I've seen in years of activism, and that yes, IS hopeful, let's hope it's Contagious. Because we sure need it...

ThreeBears I agree with you, you seem to be quite an astute observer!

I think its funny most people don't know what a Chechen is either. I had to convince this guy I work with that the boston bombers were not Cuban! Even though he had seen tons of news coverage and knew everything about the damn bombing the propaganda news stations had spouted and he probably heard the word "Chechen" 500 times he still didn't even know the place was real and was convinced they were Cubans! Chechen could've been leprechauns or elves as far as he knew lol.

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I find it funny that you continuously use MLK and the Civil Rights Movement as a tool to try and discredit or invalidate this brave mans call for action. You clearly are under the assumption that the CRM was a success... when it was not. You think the government acted in nobility and with compassion when they passed the Civil Rights Acts, when in fact these activists merely took back certain inalienable rights that was already theirs since birth. Look, I've worked for historical black organizations that stood next to MLK and the rest of them. I've studied all the Civil Rights activists and movements. They were brave, courageous, freedom fighters that should always be honored, but to say they were a success in achieving their goals is nothing short of a government loving liberal reinterpretating the cold hard truth. And that is a true disservice to the reality of what has happened.

In case you forgot, or never knew, most of these heroes were titled "terrorists" by the government. They were assassinated, jailed and/or exiled. The movements were infiltrated by FBI and CIA, and systematically disassembled. Every last one of them! And in case you are also unaware of black america's plight, it has only gotten worse for them. They have been corralled into ghettos with liquor stores and gun shops on every corner, disenfranchised of business ownership, poisoned by drugs, gangs and violence, and now 1 out of every 3 black males is in judicial system, as a slave to the system they once fought. Their culture has deteriorated into chaos and hell. MLK, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, W.E.B. DuBois, Huey Newton... are all rolling in their graves.

Further, MLK was never against gun ownership nor the right to carry freely and openly. Nor was he against the use of violence in defensive situations. And many of their so-called "non-violent" protests were far from such a thing. They were more often than not bloody fights against an oppressive regime, a regime that has not gone away or been weakend, rather to the contrary has only grown in strength. Adam is not calling for a gun fight, he is calling for civil disobedience in an attempt to force the violent and oppressive hand of the so-called law, with the hope of shining a light on its darkness. MLK would be proud of Adam, he is one of the only true freedom fighters left in this ever decaying society. So sit on the sideline and shun him with all your fear and ignorance, you will be seen as no different than the liberals of the 50's and 60's who double talked and conspired against these movements behind closed doors.

And since you like to quote Civil Rights Activists so much, here's a few good ones for you...

History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

“How can you thank a man for giving you what's already yours? How then can you thank him for giving you only part of what is yours?” ― Malcolm X

First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action" - Martin Luther King Jr.

“One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

“I believe that there will be ultimately be a clash between the oppressed and those who do the oppressing. I believe that there will be a clash between those who want freedom, justice and equality for everyone and those who want to continue the system of exploitation. I believe that there will be that kind of clash, but I don't think it will be based on the color of the skin...”
― Malcolm X

A man who won't die for something is not fit to live. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Any unarmed people are slaves, or are subject to slavery at any given moment.- Huey Newton

“I agree with Dante, that the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a period of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality” ― Martin Luther King Jr.

“We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary.” ― Malcolm X

Originally posted by Hopechest
People like this guy are what is destroying this nation.

You know, we got something called a voting system to make changes you don't agree with. Facing down cops with loaded weapons is not how you respectablly change things.

I imagine that since they have no permit they will quickly be disbanded before they even start. Either way, the cops won't let them march and shouldn't.

These guys should take a lessen from the Civil Rights protestors and hold unarmed marches or sit-ins. What these guys are planning is the same thuggery they are supposedly fighting against.

Why trade one armed government tyrant for one public one?

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.”

-Martin Luther King Jr., A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches

I agree with you on moral grounds but in the end I feel you are wrong. Sit ins and other such forms of non violent protest work but the public is not behind them any longer. The public has had 40+ years to associate sit ins with hippie radicals. This is why these methods amount to jack squat in america, public perception. Hell you can show people footage of the police beating people daily and people don't feel moved to do anything. I bet 9 out of 10 Americans think of hippies and all of its connotations (drugs, commies, flakes, free love , tree huggers, feminist,etc) if you mention sit in. People have been doing these things for all kinds of causes during this time and have proven pretty ineffective if you ask me.

I offer this critique while having no answer myself. Boycotts might work but I think again the public has changed to where they are far too dependent on the goods they buy. Perhaps a thread should be formed to discuss updated forms of non-violent protest.

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But you see... this is a non-violent protest! He is not calling for a gun fight! Why don't you people listen to what this man is saying? He is attempting to force the hand of the true provocateur's of violence and oppression, through civil disobedience. Just as MLK and Gandhi did. Not even Gandhi called for the disarming of Indian civilians, not at least until the oppressive forces had been defeated. Merely walking through the streets for immigration or labor or anti-war reasons no longer works, if it ever did. Now, will this work to wake up americans, probably not very much. Will the media spin this and label them terrorists? Probably yes. But this is the historical plight of all freedom and liberty lovers. Always has, and always will be. There is no other way. Either we confront them head on and force their hand, or we remove ourselves from their systems of control and wait for them to come and confront us.

You choose.

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The people should not be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of the people.

Open your eyes from the shroud of darkness that is obviously consuming your brain and deluding any thought of freedom.