Originally posted by jezebel
Originally posted by mellymai
here's where his (and the prevailing newage community's) philosophies diverge fatally from judeo-christianity: will we all BECOME god by embodying
this "holy" light. whups! what about that part in the bible where the original and greatest sin was to say "i will become like god"?
[edit on 4-11-2004 by Spectre]
Yes...where exactly does the Bible say that the original and greatest sin was to say "I will become like god"?
I know in Genesis it says,
"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also
of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken."
But it sounds to me like the gods were afraid man would cease to be inferior to them should they become immortal, so in order to maintain their
position of authority over mortal men, the gods kicked Adam and Eve out of Paradise.
Consider also this passage:
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If Jesus declared that we are gods, then how can it be a sin to believe this to be the case?
Where in the Bible does it say that we shouldn't seek to be like God?
first of all, knowing wearily that you won't believe what i have to say because you have decided in advance not to, i will limit my answer to
something succinct and simple. i'm talking about the sin that occurred BEFORE man, and thus the original "bad thing" that the bible makes clear to
us happened in the heavens. that was when lucifer said "i will be like God" and was cast out of heaven. pretty heavy punitive damages, if it
wasn't actually wrong, getting kicked out of paradise and all... therefore, it's pretty clear to me that it kind of ticked God off just a little
bit. it's also clear to anyone who BELIEVES (and, again, this is a losing proposition with someone who has decided they don't, but i drag my weary
carcass to the query, anyway, for the benefit of someone ELSE who might be reading the thread) that the fall of man was based on lucifer's cunning
powers to convince early man that they, too, could be like God.
the bible makes it plain that we need God to save our poor disease-ridden smelly farting pimple-ridden bacteria and fungus-laden gossipy self-involved
greedy narcissistic prideful (and that's the "GOOD" folks
a**es from ourselves. it makes it pretty plain that we are nowhere even close to being
a god (God wouldn't have morning breath, for starters
, and that redemption and mercy are our only hope. for someone who reads the book remotely
and without any desire to believe what is in its pages but merely to extract something here and there to "prove" their dissention with it, you will
nearly always be able to take something out of context and make it work for your point.
i would never pick up a book of any kind, fiction or non-fiction, turn to a single page, read a random quip, and then turn to someone and say that
that one blurb defined the entire book. reading comprehension is based on the concept of reading an ENTIRE book or passage, and only when completely
finished looking back over to say what it was about OVERALL. the messsage of the ENTIRE bible is that we cannot BE God, we can only expect His mercy.
we can invite Him into our hearts, but the difference in saying that we invite Him into us versus BECOMING that divinity ourselves is both at once as
tiny and as huge as it gets. the devil is in the details. the difference is pride, and it was, in fact, the original sin, even if you look at it
from the perspective of humans, not fallen angels. the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was about pride. lucifer's fall from grace was about
from a new nonfiction book i just purchased: "One woman was picked up by a gale of wind and thrown like a stone into the window of Schrafft's candy
store on Fifth Avenue." is this a book about terrible weather in NYC? it's actually about the race to build the early skyscrapers in NYC. i can
take one half of a sentence that refutes the other half vis a vis the word "but" and say that the original part was the author's full intention, or
that the "but" invalidates the entire argument, as the overall idea is contradictory. or, i can read the author's full passage or book with an
open unrigid mind, so that i can allow the author's ideas the opportunity to teach me something new, and after i am finished reading i can look back
over the entire thing and draw my own conclusions. the bible is about God's grace to a fallen race, and it makes, over and above anything else it
says, it perfectly clear time and time again that man is to be humble before God, God indwelling IN him but not BECOMING him, and is NEVER to reach
the point where he says "I will be like God".
and as far as THIS goes: "But it sounds to me like the gods were afraid man would cease to be inferior to them should they become immortal, so in
order to maintain their position of authority over mortal men, the gods kicked Adam and Eve out of Paradise."--there were no "gods" in the bible,
there was only ONE. and He is no more "afraid" of man, with our laughably limited resources (viruses are replicating faster than we can even begin
to understand. we can't even cure athlete's foot!). He is ANGERED when His creations take this stance. if we were to actually be able to create
artificial intelligence, which then turned around and said it would become equal to us, we would pull its plug and throw it in the landfill with our
lean cuisine trays and old cell phones and dirty pampers. it's chutzpah, and it is out of place for creatures who, even if we believe in evolution
(which follows the creation story perfectly, btw), still can't answer the simple question: "Where did the raw materials for the big bang come from
in the first place?" i'm glad that man isn't God or even close, because as i've seen first-hand the worst side of people, even the ones that
claim to be "good", i'm glad there is something better than our lowly flawed selves.