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'Deathbed Testimony' About UFOs Given By Former CIA Official 2013

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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 04:28 AM
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You asked:



What I'm interested in from the good members is if, hypothetically, he is telling the truth what does what he is saying mean in relation to the other things we have been told by the people who also may or may not be telling the truth? E.g. I've never read before that Eisenhower was worried about an invasion.


Firstly, that someone tells the same story or a story that fits other told stories does not make something true. Humans are storytellers by nature and enjoy creating worlds of fiction that often are made as consistent as possible. This was nicely show by the recent movie "Oz, the Great and Powerful", for example, that was made 61 years after the original and closely follows and integrates with the original. This no more made Oz a reality than the movie of this so-called CIA agent makes Roswell a reality.

That being said: I have been interested in UFO's since the 1960's and know a lot about the subject. I haven't heard much news, most of it I heard before. Eisenhowers speech on the dangers of the MIC is well known, as is the MJ-12 stuff. Google 'Bob Lazar' to find the exact same story about the hangars that had various types of UFO's in them and how they had some kind of antigravitation propulsion system. The lightness of the materials used for the saucer - another snippet of information that has been part of UFO folklore for decades, ever since Friedman sparked interest in the case in 1978. Jesse Marcel often mentioned that. Betty and Barney Hill described the aliens that abducted them as being 'asian' looking too. Men in black - well, they were mentioned (or created) by Albert Bender and Gray Barker in 1963.

What was new to me was the part that Eisenhower did not know what was going on in Area 51/S4 and then threatened to send in the First Army. UFO folklore has it that Eisenhower already met extraterrestrials in 1954.

So, all in all the old guy tells a story that is remarkably consistent with other UFO folklore and his story could have been fabricated from various snippets of UFO folklore to give it a ring of authenticity. It could be true too - like it could be true that Oz the Great really exists. Can't prove a negative.


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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by ShaeTheShaman

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by ShaeTheShaman
reply to post by MRuss
 


i put it like this. not everybody is a liar. some people, like.me, could never tell a lie because it means something deeper to us. lying is not ever apart of the mind. i get it from my mom, she told me to never lie because it reflects and it will show by how people act around you. and it just poorly effects your reputation.

Aliens have to be real because, out of all the millions of cases do you think all of them are lying?
Heck no.

I say one thing, the Gov. is smart to hide the truth from us. i mean we still got racism and cant get even let gays get married but let that fact come about that i can get some alien vagina when i want , people are going to look at me and start a war.



What if you speak a lie but believe it to be true? can you be deceived?

To say you can never tell a lie must mean you know all lies, am I lying if I say I am part of TPTB?


i get it , people on this site try to damn hard to just be assholez, dont even deserve a response , i wish more would do the same.


Sorry for my questions,

I guess a bit reality hurts at times



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 08:06 AM
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you create your reality with your thoughts..


This is my deepest belief,

why would you support a known deceiver if you wish to manifest a true world with no lies and secrets?

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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by cornucopia
 





you create your reality with your thoughts..


This is my deepest belief,

why would you support a known deceiver if you wish to manifest a true world with no lies and secrets?

edit on 6-5-2013 by InhaleExhale because: (no reason given)


who me?

and who am I supporting?

lol

I can hardly wait to hear your response



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by signalfire
This clip was highly edited for the purposes of showing at the Disclosure Hearing. They were limited to mere minutes out of what was obviously a very long interview. I imagine the rest will become available at some point.

No-one here gets to diss Richard Dolan until they've read his books, UFOs and the National Security State and taken a good hard long look at his website, keyholepublishing. He's got a wealth of information over there free for the looking and is one of the most reasoned and intelligent of all of the UFO researchers. I cannot imagine him not vetting this person to make sure he was who he said he was and I imagine the entire video will have a lot more revelations in it.

If you saw the Disclosure Hearings you would realize that the Congresscritters who were in attendance were being given a very simplified overview of a very complicated subject (so as not to blow the tops of their relatively small heads off). As it was by the end of the week, a couple of them looked like they were ready to lose it; most seemed to have a great deal of difficulty coming to grips with the possibility that the government they had served in for so many years could actually be lying, even though any slightly awake third grader could easily come to that conclusion.

Stay tuned, there's probably a lot more coming out. This is going to be a multiple-salvo war of words, if not evidence.



well said, thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by cornucopia

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by cornucopia
 





you create your reality with your thoughts..


This is my deepest belief,

why would you support a known deceiver if you wish to manifest a true world with no lies and secrets?

edit on 6-5-2013 by InhaleExhale because: (no reason given)


who me?

and who am I supporting?

lol

I can hardly wait to hear your response



Nah sorry I must be confused with the other cornicopia.

Why cant you be serious and not look like a troll with some of your replies, I mean with all the lol and rather vague space family talk make me picture you sitting at your screen and when rational questions asked you get possessed by some laughing demon and post nonsense or tell the ones asking for clarification that they have a "negative vibe".

You know who or would like me link you to your own threads about Sirius and the Disclosure hearings.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by cornucopia

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by cornucopia
 





you create your reality with your thoughts..


This is my deepest belief,

why would you support a known deceiver if you wish to manifest a true world with no lies and secrets?

edit on 6-5-2013 by InhaleExhale because: (no reason given)


who me?

and who am I supporting?

lol

I can hardly wait to hear your response



Nah sorry I must be confused with the other cornicopia.

Why cant you be serious and not look like a troll with some of your replies, I mean with all the lol and rather vague space family talk make me picture you sitting at your screen and when rational questions asked you get possessed by some laughing demon and post nonsense or tell the ones asking for clarification that they have a "negative vibe".

You know who or would like me link you to your own threads about Sirius and the Disclosure hearings.




wow...

relax bro, you'll live longer



Inhale/Exhale...practice what your preach brother


I like to lol often, it's good for you, you should throw on some good comedy, throw on some Richard Pryor or something, lighten up


enjoy yourself..

I AM a Galactic Human, as WE ALL are
I just remember more...



I support Greer, I Love Greer, I Love David Wilcock too and David Wolfe...

and You

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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:25 AM
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Poor guy

Sounds like he has a ton of skeletons in his closet. He sounded happy letting his face be shown to tell his story. To me, he didn't come off as someone who was lying. I saw a lot of disappointment in his face, and tons of distress but no deceit. I'm not a pro, so don't take my word for it, but to me he's telling the truth.

The whole UFO/Alien thing is too big to let out. even now... even 60+ years after Roswell. The people who were around during the beginning are starting to pass away or are already dead. I'm glad some of them have the conscious to let the secret out before they die.. even if it will fall on deaf ears.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by cornucopia

Originally posted by InhaleExhale

Originally posted by cornucopia

Originally posted by InhaleExhale
reply to post by cornucopia
 





you create your reality with your thoughts..


This is my deepest belief,

why would you support a known deceiver if you wish to manifest a true world with no lies and secrets?

edit on 6-5-2013 by InhaleExhale because: (no reason given)


who me?

and who am I supporting?

lol

I can hardly wait to hear your response



Nah sorry I must be confused with the other cornicopia.

Why cant you be serious and not look like a troll with some of your replies, I mean with all the lol and rather vague space family talk make me picture you sitting at your screen and when rational questions asked you get possessed by some laughing demon and post nonsense or tell the ones asking for clarification that they have a "negative vibe".

You know who or would like me link you to your own threads about Sirius and the Disclosure hearings.




wow...

relax bro, you'll live longer



Inhale/Exhale...practice what your preach brother


I like to lol often, it's good for you, you should throw on some good comedy, throw on some Richard Pryor or something, lighten up


enjoy yourself..

I AM a Galactic Human, as WE ALL are
I just remember more...



I support Greer, I Love Greer, I Love David Wilcock too and David Wolfe...

and You

edit on 6-5-2013 by cornucopia because: added a line of words



Look bottom line is I love you too,

However, I Do lol at many of your perceptions of other posters and assumptions based on your perceptions.

What have I preached?

Maybe a little about the philosophical ideas of darkness and nothingness vs light and enlightenment in a few other threads and so I am actually practicing what I preach by trying to bring balance to any equation/experience/claim I come across and and perceive as leaning a little to much to one side of the scale.

How exactly am I not enjoying myself when I feel enjoyment?

This is what I defend, my reality, when another tries dictating it I make sure I speak up even if it resembles my own truth. I defend my belief that if one must voice their truth more than once to convince others then their truth is unbalanced and cannot stand alone.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:32 AM
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I just watched the movie and perused the responses (digressions were rampant, as were emotions)...

I'm returning to OP. Do I think this old man is what he says he is?

Yes, sir. He oozes military intelligence. His mind seems quite sharp, his breathing is horrid, but his words were constructed with deliberate intent. The lack of body posturing was well trained. His body and face did not disclose any psycholinguistic tells of any kind. The interviewer squirmed like a worm on a hook in comparison.

His tales were consistent with what has been said before. I did note a sense of wonder when he described the Roswell craft.

This has always been my stance on UFOs: in 100's of cases there is a greater volume of evidence than some successful murder trials (LA Battle, DC fly over, and Roswell). UFO's exist. There are several types of craft, and there are several different cultures that come here. Some benign. Some not so benign. I don't think Disclosure is completely possible, I believe there are things the govt has gleaned in engineering. But it seems to me that clear communication is lacking. I believe Disclosure is impossible because it would prove the emmence LACK of information the govt truly has.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:35 AM
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Hehe, you are exactly the type of pefessional i was expecting to come here and debunk this guy. Yes sir, you are a pro, very well documented and knowledgeable about the subject and its exponents.

Let me point you something: whatever this man would have said, you would be able to point a case where that was stated and proven wrong.

Lazar was never proven wrong, but his statements were denied, he was considered an imposter etc...

With this guy the same tactics will be employed.

On the other side, what we have here are just words that can be easily countered with words.

I hope soon someone will finally come up with a proof that will make the humanity rest in silence for 1 day and end this nightmare.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Can someone talk about what he is revealing instead of this back a d forth about truth. It always digresses into thiis debate Well he s on his death bed it must be true to no he is on his death bed and trying to set up some kind of pension for his survivors.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:54 AM
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Where do you live that you dont let old senile people drive? That person up ahead going twenty MPH and riding the break pedal too has a valid license .Just more proof that civil liberties are still alive and well here n the good ol USA.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 09:57 AM
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(3:03) ..... "Magnetic swipe card" given to him by CIA in 1958. Technology didn't exist until well into the 60s. Unless of course, it was an ALIEN swipe card. That makes more sense because if you're going to fly intergalactic, then you want to rely on 1960s technology to open and close your doors. Smart Martians !
Fakity fake fake. From his own words.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by OpenMind001
(3:03) ..... "Magnetic swipe card" given to him by CIA in 1958. Technology didn't exist until well into the 60s. Unless of course, it was an ALIEN swipe card. That makes more sense because if you're going to fly intergalactic, then you want to rely on 1960s technology to open and close your doors. Smart Martians !
Fakity fake fake. From his own words.



And you registered on ATS just te let us know?

The guy mentioned this because for him, at that time it was shocking too. It was technology that he was meeting for the first time. Why on earth would you mention a trivial swipecard unless it was somerhing odd about it.

And you talk about a gap of about 7 years which is a minimum for military tech to get obsolete an let free into the market. Some cold war tech is secret even today in US and Russia too.
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posted on May, 6 2013 @ 10:12 AM
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The biggest problem I have is as someone pointed out earlier, he's clearly the source named Kewper that Linda Moulton Howe interviewed back in the 1990s, because the details match exactly (1957-1960, Army Signal Corps, Lieutenant, visits S4, sees discs, meets a Grey). Back then he said:


Howe: Now, in the course of this work from 1957 to 1960, did you see any 16-mm films related to this phenomenon?
Kewper: In regard to UFOs in Roswell, you mean?
Howe: Right.
Kewper: The only film I saw is the one that has been released in the last couple of years showing an alien autopsy. I saw that very same film in 1957.


So he saw the alien autopsy footage in 1957 - or he did not and his story falls apart.

I have no idea what could motivate someone to say these things even on their deathbed. Maybe he's still "serving", using the UFO cover-up to hide Cold War black budget projects. Maybe he was the victim of an internal psy-op agency vs gagency. Maybe he's a pathological liar. Maybe he can get help for medical bills from gullible UFO researchers. Maybe he's an actor hired by Steven Greer. Maybe he's the victim of interdimensional tricksters, having a larf.

In the end it's only more uncorroborated testimony, impossible to judge definitively.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 10:31 AM
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Thank you for this - another bit of info I would have missed if it weren't for this site.

He rang true to me, for what that's worth.

BTW, I don't think the government of our country will ever just come right out and declare ufo's to be real because I believe they know exactly why "they" are here, and they certainly don't want us to know.

They are here, in my opinion, to watch us. To make sure we don't get any more out of control than we already are. The same way things in our bodies that are part of our immune system keep a close check on any sign of infection or virus or cancer - they are simply protecting their area, gathering information, and containing anything that may cause harm.

We are physically living inside of, who many call, God, and "they" are part of his immune system. And we are most definitely living in an "infected" area.

Of course they are watching us, they've been watching us the whole time. We're freaking dangerous NOW - just imagine us a thousand years from now. I'd be watching us too.



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 10:36 AM
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yes we are watching...

would love to see some peace and love



hugs



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 10:38 AM
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well you called some of my posts troll replies...

how is that nice exactly?

lol

anyways, what would you like to know?



posted on May, 6 2013 @ 10:39 AM
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Me too!!! It is so frustrating at times.... We have SO much potential for good. We have no idea how unbelievably important we COULD be. I guess that's why we're still allowed to be here. I truly hope we make it.



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