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Originally posted by Evanzsayz
reply to post by cornucopia
he and his superior at the CIA were allowed inside the secretive Area 51 in Nevada to gather intel and report back to the president. There, "Anonymous" describes seeing several alien spacecraft, including the craft that crashed in Roswell, New Mexico. Then, he and his superior were taken to the S-4 facility southwest of Area 51 where they observed live extraterrestrials.
If I had a penny for everytime I heard or read this I would be a billionaire...where is the real proof?
Originally posted by elysiumfire
Even if the witness is telling the truth, we cannot know for certain that he is, we can only each choose to believe him or not, and that is a personal choice. I see no point in debating what people choose to believe or disbelieve, let us all remain focussed on the material that is presented.
I have personally been a witness to a UFO sighting back in my middle teen years in '76, and yet even with that experience, I cannot state that I fully accept the existence of life elsewhere in the universe, even though the probability is that it does.
Originally posted by GR1ill3d
Watched the whole video, I don't see anything groundbreaking here. While i respect him as a human being, he provides 0 evidence, and says the same old thing that others have been saying for years.
I mean do some of you think its THAT hard to find an older person, pay them to act like they are/were a CIA operative, and give their "Testimony"?
I understand people want disclosure on the whole UFO thing, but this will hardly do anything to push it along. He brings nothing different to the table then Bob lazar did back in the 80s. Give me a break.
edit on 5/5/1313 by GR1ill3d because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DaTroof
He wants to remain anonymous, yet shows his face and real voice on film? Red flag.
Originally posted by AceWombat04
As always, I want to believe. And I don't want to cast aspersions on what is clearly an ill (is he still alive? This was ostensibly prior to 2010 based on what he said) and possibly near death individual. But I have to be rigorous and I have to ask questions. I can't let my genuine sympathy for his suffering and probable demise get in the way of that, for the sake of some attempt at objectivity.
So my questions/thoughts are as follows.
- He went from army draftee to signals (signals intelligence?) to CIA to a project of this sensitivity and import. Is this a fairly typical career progression?
- He seems quite vague. Why does what he has to offer sound like typical UFO lore literature fare rather than like a detailed, intimate recollection by someone trying to get a lifetime of secrets off his chest?
- He has previously been unwilling to commit his face to video, but has chosen to do so now because he may be near death (and given his condition, even if his life can be prolonged, his time is unfortunately likely short.) Why the concern about protecting his name, then? Even the Disclosure Project's witnesses offered names and credentials that could be fact checked. He does not. Why? A convenient explanation would be to protect his loved ones, but he doesn't offer this reasoning.
- I hate to even broach this, but it has to be said. He is suffering from kidney failure and what looks like significant edema (and probably pulmonary edema as well.) Is it possible that he's suffering from related symptoms of dementia or other cognitive impairment?
- He alludes to Blue Book being CIA related. Now, we know that many Blue Book case reports were also sent to CIA and that CIA may have had its own separate interest in these sightings on the side. Some have even speculated that the Air Force project was merely the public face of a more clandestine effort conducted primarily by the CIA. Is this what he's alluding to? Why is there no clarification or questioning of this? Most people think of Blue Book as being run by the Air Force, so why the lack of distinction?
I have other concerns pertaining to his story, but those are the most prominent in my mind. It's possible many of my questions and concerns could be accounted for quite simply by his age and illness. But if that's the case, then his testimony is automatically suspect on that basis alone in my mind. People can appear quite cogent and truthful while unwittingly being very confused or impaired.
Again, I am not trying to denigrate a dying (dead?) man and I am not asserting that his testimony is false. I just have questions and concerns that I would be dishonest with myself to not take into consideration.
So then, if we can't know for certain, and can only choose to believe or not to believe, which of those choices do you then choose?
...what I get out of your post is someone who is saying that they feel this is true, but wanting to dissociate themselves from that feeling, and operate on a strictly logical, analytical basis.
You say you can't fully accept the existence of life elsewhere in the universe, I suppose this means that you only partially accept this, but perhaps, in time, you will fully realize and accept such things.
Originally posted by smurfy
Overall he sounded very convincing and very lucid and not at all confused, (and BTW his description of how things got to be done was very realistic and simple) so taking what he said is true we still have the arguably bigger question, where did they come from?
Originally posted by agentscoly
I think anonymous is great but how do we know this is legit?
Originally posted by SQUEALER
There are no aliens. Just angels and demons. Magic and tricks of the mind. Games, tests and probes. Disinformation and misdirection. Psyops and mind control experiments. From time immemorial men have been playing this game, "How to use the power of myth and suggestion to motivate humans and guide their behavior." The most powerful tool is the myth, where you get people to believe in things they have never seen, and then to act on that belief, as if the myth were reality itself. It's the reverse of the principle "Seeing is believing", for now we get "Believing is Seeing". That's where the demons come in. They enter through the imagination. That guy giving his last testimony, probably did see something he thought was an extraterrestrial. What he didn't know was that he was the test subject. He was the psyop experiment. They did a good job on him. So convinced he was that he saw something, he's giving death bed testimony of it. One question he probably never asked himself, was why did they need hm to see those extraterrestrials. What did he bring to the table? Did he have some special skills that they needed in their contact with the aliens? What was his contribution, other than simply being a test subject, to see and report what he thought he saw to measure the effectiveness of the illusion they had created for him?
Originally posted by mactheaxe
I appreciate the alternate viewpoint. But before you go bashing this man....do you know him? Have you ever talked with him? Then I find it rather ignorant, and bogus, that you feel he is a liar. The story is quite a fantastic one, i know. Do you just ever watch somebody tell a life story? you can see it in their face when they talk about it. I trust that instinct, it cant lie. Due to his circumstances, I find no reason why his last wish would be to tell a whopper like that, Kinda negates him feeling relief at the end. He has no reason to do anything but spill it out.
The men in black he talks about are pre will smith and tommy lee days im sure. Maybe the movie got made off of the stories like this. The movie industry has worked its magic on you to think that kind of stuff is a farce. The movie was over the top with the alien thing, but it sells. Might it have been a little less movie-ish in his experience?
We know there are secret projects. We know there are top secret files. So we know that there are people out there in charge, who aint spilling any beans. Whatever they are working on, its big. We know this. So what is the issue with recognizing some getting their story out? We soak up all kinds of ads and misinformation crap everyday, that we distrust, and when someone comes out with whats really happening, suddenly he is lying. Too much to be plausible. When in reality, you dont know enough to make that decision. My advice, Go research others that did what he did, watch their videos, find the constants in them, add them up. look for tells and signs. form your own opinion AFTER you have seen them. A closed mind is terrible because your opinion is already formed based off the irresponsibility of another to disinform, and disgruntle you. YOU do your OWN research. You will be amazed at what you learn.
I only come here to talk to you fine thinkers, some of you. and to find things to research and learn about. dont we all? Not to dissuade anybody with a formed opinion.But to encourage truth in a respectful manner.
Originally posted by elysiumfire
As I stated in my earlier post, the witness comes across as being quite 'natural and uncontrived'. He offers up his testimony as is, and doesn't seek to embellish or sensationalise it in any way. He doesn't dwell on anything specific unless pressed. Intuitively, I have no reason to doubt him, except that what he offers is nothing more than anecdotal evidence, and as interesting as it is, it is nothing more.
Yes, I do tend to 'operate on a strictly logical, analytical basis', sometime overtly so, but I also like to temper it with common sense.
Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
He was smiling the entire time.