Why Libertarianism Is So Dangerous!

Originally posted by flyingdutchman2112
Yeah this video is wack, and the narrator is stupid and boring. I'm no political science major but I'm pretty sure there's a slight difference between libertarianism and straight up anarchy run by organized criminals.

Another opinion without fact or agrument - talk about a wack.

Did you even see the disclaimer in the beginning? "A simplified version". And if you had any listening skills, you could easily make the arguments in this video into supports for Liibertarianism. Stupid - thanks for the example.

Originally posted by Magister
Um.....people? I hate to point this out. It is a spoof! It's a send up! It's sacasm! It's a video FOR Libertarianism! The violent gang IS government! Should I have given a spoiler alert first? I facepalmed myself so hard my nose is now in the back of my head!

Thank you.

My take on Libertarianism - what I think their motto is "Freedom without Responsibility". A great ideaology for the 21st century.

They do have some good ideas - but, much like, anarchists - it's a utopian fastasy that can't work.

Libertarianism is a controlled form of anarchism. In a true libertarian minded society laws are drastically reduced and government is involved only in the protection of the people from outside sources and ensuring that the people have their rights and are not infringed.

To have an extremely limited government is on the verge of anarchism, but in the void of government people would step up to protect each other from predators under a free system. The same can be said for full on anarchism. It would never last long because the people would rise to create their own systems of protection and rely on these systems to protect themselves. Reliance on such a system would result in dependence and would ultimately result in increased government in the long rung.

In conclusion, minimal government, be it under anarchism or libertarianism - would not work. It would only lead to the eventually rise of a moderate government. The key is to prevent that moderate government from rising to become a tyrannical, ever expanding government - something that the American people failed to do in the last 237 years.




As for the video, I thought it was excellent and I am glad I didn't judge it before viewing it. For all those badmouthing it thinking that it bashes libertarianism, you really need to look again. I think it is a great tool for promoting the ideals and recognizing the cyclical nature of governments.

S&F.

Originally posted by TheIllusiveMan
I don't get it, I thought core libertarian beliefs were that the government should be limited to its proper role of protecting the rights of the people and providing for the common defense. Why do people always think libertarians want anarchy? I believe libertarians take the Democratic party's side on social issues but take the conservative's side when it comes to economics. Libertarians believe in a free market economy with sound money. Simply the government limited by the Constitution. Where do people get anarchy from?

Just how do libertarians "take the Democratic party's side on social issues"? How would libertarians fund such social issues - or only the social issues that have to do with "Freedom to do what ever you want" not "Responsiblity to be Responsible for and to Others".

Just how do libertarians propose to "protect" the rights of people without government? People are going to just "be good to one another?"

As the video said right up front (regardless of its 'purpose') it's overly simplistic and so is libertarianism.

reply to post by FyreByrd
Any governmental ideology is inherently flawed, due to human nature in the form of Greed. Not even anarchism is an exception.

Proponents of anarchism are, generally speaking, anti-social types. Self-centered, sociopathic social outcasts who cannot or will not integrate themselves into society.

Libertarianism is basically what the Founding Fathers of the United States were arguing in favor of. It is that utopia you speak of. Wholly impractical (due to Greed), but arguably a Utopia (even moreso than Socialism, in my opinion).

Originally posted by TheNewRevolution
Libertarianism is a controlled form of anarchism.

Oxymoron - an excellent example of an oxymoron. Come on people - you can do better.

reply to post by METACOMET


I assume you are being sarcastic and are actually a libertarian right? The video is pro libertarianism. The "worst case scenario" of course is what we already have, but that doesn't make libertarianism redundant because the point is to attempt a similar system with a different thinking kind of person at the helm and a more engaged public that has the awareness and capability to knock them down at the first sign of corruption.

reply to post by 0x00000017


I disagree with that assessment. Sociopath types would never support anarchism because there are too many variables out of their control. They like to work inside the social construct. They rely on social norms and standards to manipulate people. So actually the system we are in now is a much better habitat for a sociopath than would be a libertarian or anarchism society.

reply to post by FyreByrd


See that is absurd. Of course it can work here is nothing fantasy about it. Also your motto is ridiculous too it actually requires more responsibility than we have now or in any other ideology. We are supposedly in a democracy right now, how much responsibility do you feel you have in this government? They have relegated it to a vote once a year that you set and forget. Libertarianism works because of the responsibility required, the people have to stay in step with their government so they can cut them off at any time.

I knew I had seen this before recently.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But it's still a good video with a great message and quite amusing as well.

It bears repeating on the occasion in my view.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by FyreByrd

 

See that is absurd. Of course it can work here is nothing fantasy about it. Also your motto is ridiculous too it actually requires more responsibility than we have now or in any other ideology. We are supposedly in a democracy right now, how much responsibility do you feel you have in this government? They have relegated it to a vote once a year that you set and forget. Libertarianism works because of the responsibility required, the people have to stay in step with their government so they can cut them off at any time.

But only personal responsibility - What about responsibilty from others?

Libertarianism posits that one can truly in fact be indipendant and does not have to rely on others.

Yes I know about 'mutual aide' societies (exclusive clubs that only the 'responsible' can be part of or use the services of).

It is a fantasy - just as any PURE ideology is.

I had a feeling this was satire and it only took reading a few posts to confirm it, I don't think conservatives or liberals (left/right) would go out of there ways JUST YET to bash Libertarianism at this level (although they will when Rand Paul is at the top of the polls in 2016, they're already calling him an extreme libertarian, lol).

For the OP, don't worry...sarcasm doesn't really do too well on the internet. Look at the "ONION" and how many people actually believe it, lol!

I agree that this video has a biased understanding of Libertarianism. If you look at the history of a country like the USA, it is readily apparent that the biggest threat to the rights of the people, and therefore the government, is the government itself. Out of all the bogeymen the government claims exist, such as terrorism, crime, etc., the most dangerous thing to our freedom and safety is the government who is tasked with protecting us. They are supposed to derive their powers from the consent of the governed, but this has fallen by the wayside in this day and age. Corruption is rampant, and the country has strayed far from its original democractic ideals. If there is any group that is dangerous to the rights of the people, it is the republican party.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
They are supposed to derive their powers from the consent of the governed, but this has fallen by the wayside in this day and age. Corruption is rampant, and the country has strayed far from its original democractic ideals. If there is any group that is dangerous to the rights of the people, it is the republican party.

You were spot on in your assessment until you let your bias get in the way Jiggy. First, I would rather support people who had republican ideals (not Republicans as the party; republican as the form of government we have created and as individual states are guaranteed). Within that, there is a natural democratic appeal to form and sustain that type of Government. The Democratic party is just as guilty as the Republican party. I believe you will be a fine debater once you loose your binds to the notion that only the Republican party is the only dangerous group to the Rights of the People.

reply to post by METACOMET


I watched about half.
Typical extremist liberal high-school-like thinking.
It builds on the premise that libertarians would love an absence of government, which isn't true at all. What we want (I say 'we' because I am one of them) is for government to not limit our freedoms, for the government to cease being a separate big entity, and for the government to be created by the people without the government creating the people. And for the record, even if there was no government, I don't believe we would all turn into barbarians overnight like some may think. Thats playing into the fear from the idea that the government is the only thing that is keeping us all from killing each other, which is an absurd conclusion. Its time to grow up and be a conservative. Mommy big government isn't supposed to be in existence to take care of you. You have the freedom to take care of yourself.

Originally posted by jazztrance
Gangs already own the streets, the government cant stop it if it exists or not. The role of gov is to protect our constitutional rights and provide a sound economy. Education, Pharmaceuticals, Insurance is not the role of the government amongst other things. Its the invasive aspects of the gov as well that are wrong. No government doesn't mean no cops either. Ive never seen anything like it when people actually WANT to pay income tax, I just don't get it. Then they justify it by saying something stupid like "we need roads". Well idiot that's why you pay taxes on your car EVERY YEAR on the SAME THING over and over and over and over. Income tax is wrong and wasn't invented too long ago civil war time, the war is over we need to stop paying. Im a libertarian for LIMITED government not NO government, children and handicapped people need to be taken care of. WSe pay taxes on EVERYTHING we buy ,well almost everything, that should be enough .

edit on 4-5-2013 by jazztrance because: (no reason given)

Wrong.
The role of government is not to provide us with a sound economy. The free market is to do that, but sadly its not free because the government has their hand in it.
But you do seem to be on the right track

reply to post by Magister


I guess we were all fooled... the video is a spoof of the dangers of libertarianism, and is actually for libertarianism. ;D

Originally posted by Allenb83
reply to post by Magister

 

I guess we were all fooled... the video is a spoof of the dangers of libertarianism, and is actually for libertarianism. ;D

Yes, watching the video is helpful.

The video simply illustrates that people's fear of the possible pains of achieving Liberty is laughable, as our current political construct is already the sum of all those fears.

Thanks for watching!

This video was satirical and in favor of Libertarianism. Those thugs that the video mentions is called "government." A clear giveaway is when he mentions those thugs having control of education and the media.

I would just like to make a point:

Organized crime is a form of government. They work similar to governments in their use of violence to steal from and subdue the general population. Please stop making a video of anarchy showing completely non-anarchist systems.

There will never be a day when government will just "poof" disappear. It will have to be a deliberate change among a population as we raise future generations to be less violent and more individualistic. These herds of children raised generation after generation to be blindly patriotic(insert country), violent, and accepting of harsh rule in the name of a better good is the problem and until that changes we will always be ruled by a small group of opportunistic people.

Volunteerism and free-markets have never existed but they are possible, again it would have to be a deliberate change in the way we raise the future. The current government disappearing and being replaced by a different government is not an example of anarchy. Also, organized crime in the midst of no other government wouldn't be a crime anymore than the feds coming and stealing my car because I didn't agree to their tax theft system would be. In the absence of another type of government, organized crime would simply be government.