Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by TheBlackHat
In fact i doubt Jesus ever really claimed to be special or chosen
Blomberg's rigorous investigation into the historical reliability of the gospel accounts, applying the 'test of authenticity' to remarkable and
Bloomberg adds, "the collection of sayings in which Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man" and "the 'Son of God' " are accepted as authentic under
the 'criteria of authenticity' as well as the miracle stories.
This naming of himself the 'Son of Man' is a title that refers back to Daniel 7:13, it is a messianic prophecy where Jesus is referring to himself as
the Ancient of Days who will rule over all of Earth.
Jesus said, "I am from above...not of this world", the Father "has granted the Son to have life in Himself and has given Him to execute judgements",
"the words that I speak to you are spirit and they are life", "I am the Alpha and the Omega, The Beginning and the End, I will give of the fountain of
the water of life freely to him who thirsts" "and I will raise him up on the last day"
- John 8:23; 5:26-7; Revelation 21:6; John 6:44
Ah, you see, I am glad you responded as you have substantiated what i thought. Jesus stated he was "the son of man", as well as stating he was "the
son of God". As I stated a human can only be created, by a man and a woman, even if it transpired that the father came from off this planet. This
would work in to Jesus sating he was both the son of a man and the son of a God. as I suggested may be plausible. Especially as god the father made us
in is image as well, therefore we look like God and think like God, after we ate from the tree of knowledge "now they have become like us". The Bible
only affirms these opinions clearly.
However another and more realistic explanation is that "the son of God" refers to the universal God that is father to everyone and everything. Also
the statement "I am from above...not of this world" suggest to me, a completely different meaning to him literally being from above, especially as he
was born on earth..Even if my father was born in one country an I in another, I would not say I was my fathers nationality. The central teaching of
Jesus is rejection of the material world, remember he also stayed celibate, what more of a rejection of earthly things is there than abstinence. He
also gave up his physical body without a fight, another rejection of "this world". This is how I see it, there is the material world and the spiritual
world, or more specifically the spiritual world is the world of belief, conviction, self disciplined morality. In other words, the higher human
characteristics, that we aspire to but mostly fall short of. The higher more perfect side of human consciousness are the things that are all internal
and within our selves, but they are "not of this world" or worldly material things. Jesus was simply stating he was above being drawn into the world
and the petty emotions that rule and ruin most people and most of society.
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In my opinion. Jesus was talking about the same things as Buddha. That ridding the mind of the lower emotions, will rid us of all the drama and
negative consequences those emotions bring into our lives, which include internal, mental and emotional problems and escalate into physical
conditions. Eg, Desire for lots of food, leads to gluttony, which leads to obesity, heart attacks etc. Desire for vengeance, may lead to violence
regret and prison. Desire for sex and companionship, leads to unstable and dysfunctional relationships, with no solid foundations, which leads to
unwanted children in broken homes. Desire to be more sociable leads to drinking too much, and the various unforeseen consequences of being too drunk
to make sensible choices. The desire to have friends, leads to making compromises with your morality or your convictions. The desire to make money
will override your compassion to treat others as equals, especially if your a boss over workers who do much more than you do but get paid far less.
All in all people sell out, in order to fit in or be successful in this material world. And the feeling that you have sold out because of all your
selfish desires, leads to a feeling of emptiness "away from God", which leads you to try to fill the god sized hole with alcohol and drugs...It's a no
brainier to me.
Jesus rejected selling out, simple as that and it cost him his life, but his point was there is no life to be lived if you compromise on everything
you stand for, there is only a living death, like a zombie..Look at a crack or heroin or meth addict for extreme examples. The eternal life I believe
he was talking about was the life that is not concerned with the material world and that includes the material body and all the things of the mind,
because even the mind is an illusion created by the brain and as i stated it's the soul that is supposed to be immortal and people don't like to get
to grips with this message, one all religions share, your mind is not what is supposed to live on, but your unthinking soul. That message doesn't
float well in a materialistic society, where "Christians" want to be raptured, literally ascending to some perfect heaven world on another planet or
at very least have their current and imperfect, mind, transferred into a perfect body on a heavenly world to once again experience life through our
five imperfect senses with our same imperfect minds, and you will be cursed with the want's and desires we have here on earth, the same ones that
cause this place to be imperfect...get the irony...how stupid people these days are to think like this...see all of that is materialistic way of
thinking about the soul, and not a spiritual ideal, where we are one with God.
The same teaching as Buddha told us, it's all about the mind. The eternal life, is the life that is unconcerned about the literal life on earth or
some literal life in some physical heaven world, in other words the eternal life is the mind that craves nothing, not even literal life. The mind that
does not crave life at all costs, does not fear death...and when you don't fear death you have conquered life and are immortal because death is just
another passing moment and nothing more. This is what Jesus message was, to live fully, is to live without desires and without fear...same as Buddha.
What amazes me is that people don't see it.
Does this prayer not sum it up perfectly.
The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name' sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.
And by the way, to dwell in the House of the Lord forever. Well what is forever? It means always, eternity..well people forget, eternity is not
sometime in the future, but it includes all our past and present, including before we were born. just as the soul is said to be eternal. Also what is
the house of the Lord? Some literal physical Heaven? No, the house of the Lord is everything, as god made everything always, the entire universe and
we dwell in it now, and in the past and in the future.
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