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TextFirstly, Jesus said we are all Gods children, this would indicate that if Jesus was Gods son and we are also Gods children, then Jesus was an ordinary man and not "special", or "chosen". I am basing this assumption on Jesus own words and interpreting them directly.
Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by TheBlackHat
Firstly, Jesus said we are all Gods children, this would indicate that if Jesus was Gods son and we are also Gods children, then Jesus was an ordinary man and not "special", or "chosen". I am basing this assumption on Jesus own words and interpreting them directly.
Firstly....before I continue.... you need to site that direct quote seeing as it is the base of your argument.
Psalm 82
6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'
Originally posted by 1337s0lja
Politics and government have corrupted the church from the inside...
"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati..."
I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. You need to read the following articles so that you can watch for the signs that you too have an hireling planted in your church by the Vatican.
LINK
"90% of the Southern Baptist hierarchy are Freemasons. There is also a high percentage of Christian leadership from the Lutheran and United Methodist churches are Masons. This would explain why Ecumenism has spread so easily. ...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."
Infiltration of Freemasonry
What if I were to tell you, that there is a vast Satanic conspiracy to deceive the masses of every society on earth? What if I were to tell you that the top leaders of the world’s religions were in league with the Devil? Would you think I’m crazy? I would! Yet, the truth is stranger than fiction! You have been lied to my friend. Few people in the world today are aware of just how much Satan has infiltrated organized religion. Link
"Every major religion in the world has been manufactured or infiltrated by the Illuminati to enslave and brainwash society. In essence, religion was the first form of mind control. The indoctrination of the masses by a "Trojan Horse" false religion has allowed the Illuminati to take control and work in secret for many, many years." Link
The Vatican has infiltrated, or neutered and spayed, virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom. Various means have been used, but Opus Dei has played a major role in this.
Virtually 100% of the world's seminaries are in the pocket of the Roman Whore in that they use her Bible via the Alexandrian Gnostic Greek texts.
I am fully persuaded that Opus Dei and the Jesuits have already planted many of their agents in Baptist and Fundamental churches and schools.
I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents. Many deacons and Sunday School teachers are now inside the Baptist movement teaching doctrines of Rome. You need to read the following articles so that you can watch for the signs that you too have an hireling planted in your church by the Vatican.
OPUS DEI-- War on Protestantism
"Today the religions of the world remain a major tool of the Illuminati agenda. They maintain the climate of unquestioning, unthinking, ignorance, and their pseudo-morality provides a veil of hypocrisy, behind which the most sickening abuse of children can be hidden."
"Some of the most famous church "leaders" and evangelists on the planet are Illuminati operatives who use religion to manipulate and brain-wash their followers while engaging in Satanic rituals that beggar belief."
"But the mass of unthinking followers in any religion are merely the fodder and the screen behind which the real business goes on." Link
Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
I would first like to address your flawed logic regarding Jesus being an ordinary person.
Now think about the theory of evolution, which states the exact opposite. This does not mean evolution is false, it just means there are highly spiritual implications.
Peter never walked on water.
But you are correct that it is faith that gave Jesus this ability. This type of faith is hardly ever achieved by most people, but the possibility is there.
Much of what He did and said was to imply that He was the Messiah. The only reason that He occasionally told people not to tell anyone about His miracles was because He did not want to draw all that much attention to himself. Why is this you ask?
You also do not understand why Jesus died and rose from the dead. Christianity teaches that accepting Jesus as the Messiah will get you saved. However, the rewards one receives in Heaven is based upon the works one does on earth.
Originally posted by Danbones
first someone is going to have to prove that this "Jesus" actually existed for real
till then you might as well be learning how to spell in Klingon
edit on 2-5-2013 by Danbones because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Witness123
This crap gets about 20 stars and this is the site that claims to deny ignorance? You people are delusional, lunatic fringe. How do you get from saying a guy who claimed to be the Messiah could walk on water to say that anyone could walk on water? Don't you think a guy in such a position would have a unique ability to do something of that sort? Why don't you just reject it and say it's nonsense but to just say that He did it because He had faith... no, either He didn't do it at all or He did it because He had miraculous power to violate physical laws, but not because of faith.
Why did it make the reference to Peter's faith? Which one of us could walk on water right now and not sink? But if you were friends with a guy who is proven to do miracles and is best friend's with the God of all the earth and He does it, then says, "Hey why don't you come out here and join me..." what then? I would be out there at the first opportunity. You don't just have faith that things fall up or that the sun freezes Mercury. That is clearly impossible!