Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
I would first like to address your flawed logic regarding Jesus being an ordinary person.
Well perhaps my logic is flawed..but I ask you logically. Can a frog mate with a mouse and create offspring? Only two of the same species can mate and
produce offspring. And as we know from many years of practice, you can be a virgin and simply become artificially inseminated and still have a baby.
So no, I would say my logic is quite sound, when I say it logically sounds like Jesus was a human. Remember you used the word logic, not faith, my
logic is sound on this matter.
Now think about the theory of evolution, which states the exact opposite. This does not mean evolution is false, it just means there are
highly spiritual implications.
If you read everything I wrote, thank you, but I never said I didn't believe that God the father made us, in fact I have stated I believe God the
father did make us. I also believe in evolution and devolution. there is much scientific evidence in the fossil record for dinosaurs etc, and the
evolution process. yet I still can accept along with evolution that a being could well have come and created mankind, especially as we still have not
found the missing link between us and apes, where there should be one. There is no scientific evidence as of yet, that can explain why we are the
only truly intelligent animals on this planet. I certainly believe apes are related to us however but I also believe there has been intervention in
Peter never walked on water.
Well i thought he did, if I got that wrong my bad., I though the Bible stated he started to sink beneath the waves because his lack of faith...but if
you insist it doesn't say that...fine...I'm sure the statement has already been copied and pasted in this thread that says he did walk on water.
But you are correct that it is faith that gave Jesus this ability. This type of faith is hardly ever achieved by most people, but the
possibility is there.
Well we have some agreement.
Much of what He did and said was to imply that He was the Messiah. The only reason that He occasionally told people not to tell anyone
about His miracles was because He did not want to draw all that much attention to himself. Why is this you ask?
Well if Jesus didn't want to draw attention to himself, why when pilot offered him a way out, why didn't he take it and deny he was the son of God?
Also if he wanted to keep his miracles on the down low he would never have fed 5000 people, because that's 5000 witnesses, not something you want to
do if you want to keep a low profile.
You also do not understand why Jesus died and rose from the dead. Christianity teaches that accepting Jesus as the Messiah will get you
saved. However, the rewards one receives in Heaven is based upon the works one does on earth.
This I absolutely do not believe. I am not an atheist, as I already stated I believe God the father made us..I also stated I believe in the one
universal, invisible God of everything that may possibly explain Jesu's miraculous abilities. I also believe there may be a physical heaven, as Jesus
and many others ascend to it. However i do not believe you go to a physical heaven when you die, even if you are good. I know your brain is part of
your body, and your mind is part of your brain, because when people get Alzheimers, brain scans prove the reason their memory gets deleted, is because
their brain and neurons are damages and clogged up. this means your mind is part of your body, so if your body dies so does your mind.
The reason to be good in life is partly because it makes sense to be good and partly because most people are not born psychopaths, of course I know
that normal people can be led astray and do evil things. But by being good, you keep your family and friends on side, by being decent and fair it
helps to ensure your security and prosperity..Screwing people over almost always catches up with you in several ways, it makes enemies for you, witch
can lead to violence against you and slander against your character, this in turn causes anxiety whilst you await the consequences of your actions,
internally your in a state of discontentedness..and when in this state people turn to drink and drugs to escape their own mind..which in turn causes
harm to their bodies..In short it is impractical and counter productive to be a bad person regardless of any hell after we die, plus most people are
simply not that inclined to be very bad. The hell that the Bible talks about is one we make in our own minds...and so is the heaven.
To be good just to get to a physical heaven is a fallacy, it also is a selfish and materialistic reason to be good, and if you take that on board it
is unchristian to do good things only because you expect a reward. Secondly another actual legitimate reason to be good is because it makes you feel
more contented in life, and feeling contented is the optimum state of being, its a desirable state of being for most people. Following a selfish path,
or one of so called sin, is always counter productive to your well being as most people in prison, strung out on heroin and crack and meth or standing
on street corners can attest to. you get punished in this life if the only thing you pursue is selfishness, never mind the next life.
Also Christianity and most religions state it is our soul that goes on and is immortal. As I said we know our mind is mortal. if our soul goes on to
another reality, you nor I will have any awareness of it, because our mind is mortal and decays and dies. I have no problem with any of this..I have
no problem with knowing I was not here before I was born nor will i be around after i die, it does not fill me with dread or fear..In some ways to
know this life will not go on forever is a comfort, and when the stone mason carves R.I.P in my head stone, i will hopefully be exactly as stated,
resting in peace, with no mind to bother me any longer. The clinging on to the idea of a perfect heaven when we die is actually a very materialistic
idea. I have no desire to share a heaven with every Christian, who believes simply because they ask for forgiveness, or accept Jesus as their savior,
that they will get a free pass to a perfect dimension and I already stated you have left wing Christians and right wing ones, so don't fool yourself
that all these opposing Christians would get on in heaven, they wouldn't, it would make heaven just the same as earth. As I said the human mind,
includes the human ego and the knowledge of good and evil, you cannot have the knowledge of good and evil in a perfect heaven, the two concepts do not
work together. And as i already said, nowhere have i ever read that the mind goes on after death, only the soul.
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