Originally posted by honested3
Originally posted by TheBlackHat
Firstly, Jesus said we are all Gods children, this would indicate that if Jesus was Gods son and we are also Gods children, then Jesus was an ordinary
man and not "special", or "chosen". I am basing this assumption on Jesus own words and interpreting them directly.
"'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58).
"I and the Father are one" (John 10:30)
Please read the Bible before assuming your assumptions about it are correct. There are more verse examples of this, but none more clear than the ones
posted. saying "I am" is closer to saying "I am God" in those days, than it was to actually say "I am God". I mean which "god" are we talking
about, so thus saying "I am" is crystal clear, thread closed.
Haha who are you to state "thread closed", are you a dictator? I simply stated that you can take the Bible as symbolic story telling, or you can
take it as literal truth. If your going to take it as literal truth, then it wasn't only Jesus who could perform incredible, supernatural feats, back
in the day, others including Simon Magus could do likewise and he wasn't even a Christian.
the whole point of Jesus miracles were to impress on people that he was the son of God, yet the same Bible tells us of others who could also create
miracles. So how can we rely on miracles as separating Jesus from other miraculous people? Oh, because he said he was the son of God..but then what is
God? Is God a physical being? Because the Bible says he made us in his image, so God must be made of flesh, just like us here on earth, and Just like
Jesus. So if God the father and Jesus are physical beings, then that means the God who took a rib from Adam and cloned Eve is human and not a
supernatural "God" but a highly advanced human.
If Jesus is the mixture of some highly advanced superhuman being, (but a human all the same), and his mother is also human, then you have to
acknowledge that Jesus was human. Because you can only create an animal if its two parents are from the same species. In the Bible it as much as
states that God the father is Human, because "HE MADE US IN HIS IMAGE".
If God the father is a highly advanced human being, then heaven is a literal place, with physical beings in it. thats why Jesus and other holy people
ascended up to it in their physical bodies.
This only leaves the HOLY SPIRIT as being absolutely divine and the GOD that inhabits the entire universe. The one true GOD. And if the one true God
inhabits the whole, entire universe, then that includes human beings. So you can also then say we are all part of God, the universal oneness of
I believe that a closer version of what Jesus meant, was that he is the Son of the universal God, but we are all the sons and daughters of that God.
And I think that's where the message has gotten twisted..because there was no point telling people that Jesus rose from the dead only because he was
a super being and had super powers. This only tells ordinary people that they are incapable of living on forever. I really think the version of
Christianity we get is not telling the truth. if Jesus was human, his father had to be genetically human too and that can only mean his father was
Human, maybe not exactly like us, but very close to it. A being certainly made of flesh and bone and blood, now does that sound like an all powerful
universal God to you? Maybe a highly advanced species of human but not the universal God of everything.
Secondly even if Jesus father, is God the father, as I said it still means God the father is a human being. Only human beings would take a rib and use
it to clone another person. Only a human being would be able to impregnate a Virgin, through artificial insemination. yes, a highly advanced human
being, but we can see science filling in these mystical events bit by bit, because we are eating from the tree of knowledge and as God the father said
"They have become like us". That's why we were meant to stay ignorant, like animals, because eating from the tree of knowledge has put us on a path
to gain God the fathers knowledge. We are doing the same thing now with our attempts to create artificial intelligence, and already we fear the
computers will become not just as intelligent as us, but far greater than us...why do you think God the father didn't want his creation to learn