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Unconstitutional? Obama 1st US Pres ever to become UN Security council chairman

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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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What say you, we the people? Does the Constitution section 9 not clearly enough state that no 'title of nobility or office to a foreign allegiance be allowed without express consent of Congress?

What is clear, is that to avoid an unconstitutional conflict of interest, liability & nobility, normally the US Ambassador to the UN takes the gavel as chairperson (in this rotation, that would be Susan Rice), not the President him/herself!


"The time has come for the world to move in a new direct. We must embrace.." - Obama's speech to the UN


New World Order! Peace? Non-proliferation? Global economy?




posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:21 AM
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I think you should be happy that thee peaceful unconstitutional president of US is going to bring peace to the world by any mean.

I am staying awake to see how much peace he is going to bring to the world.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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Star and Flag OP.

You are absolutely correct and it is grounds for the public to demand judicial law to impeach him. On that alone, that he accepted that position - he put his presidency at risk.

Mr. Pres. Obama is a constitutional lawyer. He obviously knows the law. So why would he do that? Could it be a test put to the American people? How apathetic and uninvolved is the majority? - lets test how far we can go ... maybe? It's the writer in me. I like to what if? everything...

Cirque



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:42 AM
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the other scary part is using the Un mandate in Libya
not congress's permission



How Obama Ignored Congress, and Misled America, on War in Libya
An inside look at his pre-war decisionmaking reveals how the public was misled and the constitution ignored
....
...That is quite a precedent Obama has set. And Mitt Romney is ready to exploit it if he wins. As he put it: "I can assure you if I'm president, the Iranians will have no question but that I will be willing to take military action if necessary to prevent them from becoming a nuclear threat to the world. I don't believe at this stage, therefore, if I'm president that we need to have a war powers approval or special authorization for military force. The president has that capacity now."

www.theatlantic.com...



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:54 AM
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The UN is not a foreign nation, it's an international organization.

Geez...



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:00 AM
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Originally posted by mideast
I think you should be happy that thee peaceful unconstitutional president of US is going to bring peace to the world by any mean.

I am staying awake to see how much peace he is going to bring to the world.

Oh yeah, right... Ask Libya and Syria how that whole Nobel Peace Prize concept feels from their perspective. How about Afghanistan ..or more to the point, Pakistan, Yemen and Central/North Africa? (Drone land, all of it)

Something tells me we won't be singing Kumbaya and holding hands any time soon ..nor is it what he has in mind. There are very few policies of Bush that he hasn't kept and actually expanded upon. Those dropped? Were political.

* ....Anyone else reminded even a little of Nicholae Carpathia? Not the full reference and meaning, perhaps ..but then, it doesn't actually have to be, to be very disturbing. It's getting uncomfortably close to things I NEVER thought in a bad dream I'd actually see happen in the real world.
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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:04 AM
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I get that but its still kind of sketchy ya? Does O-Dawg not have responsibility to the USA first?
Its like if the ceo of pepsi went to work at coca-cola for the day, everyone would be like wtf dude?



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:05 AM
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Does anyone still think the NWO is not actually a plan that is in action? When will the middle of the road liberals finally see this? Conservatives are waking up everyday why are the liberals so behind the curve?



We live in interesting times and TPTB plan to unite the world under one flag and currency will be remembered as the biggest failure in history.


They were to slow enacting the plan the average person is starting to wake up and smell the coffee. This idea will only grow. The lies will end.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:16 AM
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star that Wrabbit
as to the peeps waking up in time
I can't help thinking there is a plan b for that
These folks have AIs, superduper computers, and the top .001 IQ percenters in the design dept.
not to mention some seriously over the top psycho, and socio, minions

The fracture lines in the nato countries have been created already
all it will take is the right falsie - and kaboomb!
uppa she goes...

Well at least there will be little pockets of folks here and there that contain an ATSer or two
to fill in the suddenly attentive peepers knowledge starved flappy lil beaks...
at least i hope there will be



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:19 AM
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@ mideast, with all the wars continuing and all the US convoys still in Afghanistan despite to pull out of there since a term ago, is pointing at peace via war, that is, an elephant squashing all the ants to death to make 'peace'

@ Cirque, Barry has secret meeting with the Royal families, surely they demand this highly capable attorney to rise to the occassion using that pep talk and lie between his teeth with every word, whatever it takes to get him to the top of one world government as the 'black' man that united whites and blacks and pioneered global unification under America. with his alien Israeli bodyguard and all, doubt he has any worries that anybody can harm him, he is now untouchable. indeed testing the waters getting the People used to breach of all protocols, rights as seen fit to meet a pressing agenda, one-world government. (and apparently UN dont have a formal problem with him as security council chair, either?!)

regarding foreign nation that's the semantics, if an international organization essentially took over the world it would not be a foreign nation and this nobel prize winner would continue to be chairperson (or president) there meanwhile still president of usa (as a state or union) for 3 more years...

the principle is that Presidents are Executives of their own country, meanwhile Ambassadors to UN are diplomatic specialists in international relations. no wonder America's foreign relations continue to stink.



video description:

If this Administration wasn't so damn dangerous, it would be so damn hilarious. I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.



Where does that leave Condoleeza I mean Susan Rice?




posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:43 AM
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So, just to make sure we are on the same page then.
Obama has decided to lead the non-proliferation talks and becomes the chairman

Now, the wingers on ATS believe that the United Nations is actually a country verses a organization of the global societies..and that him becoming chairman is therefore a office by a foreign country.

So..ok, I will accept it, once they show me on a map where the country of United Nations is...maybe sing their anthem...tell me some of their local cuisines?


But as usual, this doesn't even quality as a non-issue..its a imaginary issue. At least the Obama is a reptilian crowd made sense...nonsense..but sense was part of the word.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:47 AM
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Once upon a time ..in a nation far far away from the time we live in today ..the mere appearance of conflict was enough to warrant avoiding something. Appearances actually mattered. It didn't take a careful reading of law and Constitutional principle by even a layman to be sure there wasn't one.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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Once upon a time ..in a nation far far away from the time we live in today ..the mere appearance of conflict was enough to warrant avoiding something. Appearances actually mattered. It didn't take a careful reading of law and Constitutional principle by even a layman to be sure there wasn't one.

Wait, so what is the conflict in question then? being the head guy who discusses nuclear proliferation on a global scale? You think we shouldn't have a pretty strong (strongest) voice on the matter?

He isn't becoming VIP of a strip club or bowling league...this is the chief position on global security..and global security effects national security.
So long as he doesn't annoy people, then this is exactly where a POTUS should be...sort of his job to do whatever it takes to ensure the safety of the US.

And its not really a careful read, is it...even a layman with a 6th grade understanding knows the UN is not a country....I would hope the clever folks here at ATS don't struggle with that.

Besides, if he didn't, then some other country would be leading the talks, would the US benefit somehow if say, Iran or China were the ones in charge of this global consensus?



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:54 AM
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That's an interesting take. I never thought of it that way.

Thanks. I'll have to chew on that for awhile. So there is no designated place the UN usually meets? There is no oath in trying to achieve world peace, economic stability, and cooperation? The UN holds no responsibility right? It can't back a war - as in picking a side? It can't issue countries any threats in a collaborative effort among those who are party? It has - for example - no authoritative right to demand sanctions on any country?

Cirque



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:55 AM
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So you would find no issue if Obama became president of the UN while still president of the US?



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 02:00 AM
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Well, I've asked this before but it bears asking again. When does this President actually DO any work along the lines of what he was elected to do? If his UN Ambassador isn't up to the job, replace her with someone who is. What's next? Obama headed to another country to sit in for an Ambassador in another situation because he feels he's better than they are?

What happened when Kennedy thought Stevenson may not have what it took to stand to the Russians at the UN in 1962? Did he even joke about the concept of lowering himself to a staffer position to micromanage work at that level?

We need a leader. Nuclear weapons are important and so are other NBC type nasties...but we have entire staffs of people who are experts at this while he is NOT. His supposed to be making this nation operate from the level of Chief Executive. Little things ...like a budget we haven't seen pass in 5 years now. Haven't even seen brought up close to it. The Affordable Care Act, which his own people are now starting to say is a disaster in the making ...and an economy running on empty with a bubble the size of a small moon. 85 billion a month...with headlines today saying they are proudly pushing that policy forward with all due speed.

Where..oh where..is the LEADership? It means finding people up to those tasks he's taking on...while neglecting the executive side of his duties. The man isn't God. He can't be focused 100% on these critical talks *AND* the full business of the nation, as any President must be, at the same time. This is totally absurd to see happening.
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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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So you would find no issue if Obama became president of the UN while still president of the US?

the UN is varied, the pres of the general assembly for the UN has to preside over many issues, most of which don't directly effect the US, so although he could, he shouldn't as it would detract from his responsibilities of his current job.
(sidenote: there has never been a US Citizen as the UN President, or British for that matter)

Heading up talks about nukes is a far cry from becoming president of the un.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 02:09 AM
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And your points are valid. He seems to be having trust issues to find someone suitable for the job..or is a bit of a control freak and wants to micromanage this. It is a important subject...if things go bad, it could long term result in the complete obliteration of mankind...so thats the other hand sort of thing. Is he elected for the preservation of our future? Is he a control freak? most likely a double yes.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 02:10 AM
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Oh, you're no fun. Where can I go with that? We agree 100%!


Something I can't recall too often. lol.... Not at all unpleasant, either.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
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That's an interesting take. I never thought of it that way.

Thanks. I'll have to chew on that for awhile. So there is no designated place the UN usually meets? There is no oath in trying to achieve world peace, economic stability, and cooperation? The UN holds no responsibility right? It can't back a war - as in picking a side? It can't issue countries any threats in a collaborative effort among those who are party? It has - for example - no authoritative right to demand sanctions on any country?

Cirque

Whats your point? America is part of the UN, and NATO for that matter. As such, we have responsibilities. Usually the complaint is that there aren't enough teeth in the UN to make it as effective as it should be and is just global bureaucracy without a return..but until we withdraw, then we are part of it, and so ya...we (consensus) do issue threats and the like..it was decided no one nation -should- be the world police...although NATO seems to be that anyhow due to the UNs lame duck approach to most things.

And as far as oaths, a chess club has a oath also..the oath does not swear allegiance to any foreign land.

oh, and they tend to meet in NYC...big glass building...horrible parking.





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