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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by pstrron
Hate to bust peoples bubble but Eve was deceived and Adam choose. Death was passed down to all not because of Eve but through Adam. Eve only got more pain during child birth, Adam got the book thrown at him and rightly so, he's the one that caused the race to fall not Eve. It's the sins of the fathers that is passed on not the mothers.

It's all pass the blame game, Adam accused God of giving him a defective mate when he said "the woman you gave me". He should have manned up to the fact that HE choose to eat and wasn't forced by Eve who offered.

Organized religion has always conspired to assert its control over the masses by every means possible. The most effective way is to limit the knowledge of scripture and place the idea that what ever the priest or pastor says is fact. The RCC is notorious for this and still are. However, Paul praised the Bereans for searching the scriptures to see if what he said was true.

How many today fail to do as the Bereans did not only with scripture but even with the news they receive, few if any at best. This path leads only to persecution and degradation of those that are the object of the attack. Nothing has changed in the past 2000 years, only the object(s) and the place and even today women are still treated like dogs in virtually all countries of the world. Why, because Adam still blames the woman for what he himself did.


the adam race did not "sin", rather the big boo boo was what they did AFTER they were genetically modified to procreate. all those trees in the garden are metaphors for DNA. when mammalian procreative ability was inserted, we became animalistic. that was not our fault. our fault is in choosing to continue in that path when we don't have to. we don't have to over populate our planet, kill each other, treat each other poorly, and so on. but because we are working with a set of hormones that dictates survival of the fittest, we descend into animal like behavior. it's pretty obvious, once you come to grips with the genetic manipulation.

the original adam race, had totally regenerative bodies. they were eternal, glorified bodies. the procreative adam race, were nerfed to have a cut off date, to keep us from overwhelming the universe in a few thousand years.
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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 11:17 PM
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Its actually the deciding factor for leaving the Catholic Church. I came to a strong realization that it wasn't being a nun, but if I could study and take theology, wanted to be a minster for a while in my 20's. Bascically the male clergy and administration within the church really dislike women, because they really dislike Mother's energy of Equality and Freedom. In the end didn't go to school, had children in stead, and would not allow my sons to be a party of the misogyny.

They are the annanuki who were created as hybrids to keep rule over their idea of slave pens after the equality of Mu and the Cosmos operating around earth was laid siege too by the Dark Side.
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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by facelift
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I just did...


I think it ruined my high.


Thanks a lot undo...




i sorry. :/
what high?



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 11:33 PM
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Unity 99


Originally posted by Unity_99
Its actually the deciding factor for leaving the Catholic Church. I came to a strong realization that it wasn't being a nun, but if I could study and take theology, wanted to be a minster for a while in my 20's. Bascically the male clergy and administration within the church really dislike women, because they really dislike Mother's energy of Equality and Freedom. In the end didn't go to school, had children in stead, and would not allow my sons to be a party of the misogyny.

They are the annanuki who were created as hybrids to keep rule over their idea of slave pens after the equality of Mu and the Cosmos operating around earth was laid siege too by the Dark Side.
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well if you're familar with the anunnaki, then you know it was a case of one side liking humans and one side not liking humans. the rcc poses as enki-ites but are really enlil-ites. (of course, this is based on my theory that jesus was enki in a human body. the creator of the human genome, shows up to support his creation. that's just my theory though and it's so far, not set in stone. but consider it was enki who warned the noah figure about enlil's flood and gave him instructions on how to survive it. enki was always rescuing his creation from enlil and company. so yeah, i think jesus was standard enki. whereas the rcc teaches the same "human hate" that enlil did.)

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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 11:57 PM
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the adam race did not "sin", rather the big boo boo was what they did AFTER they were genetically modified to procreate


Lets see what the scriptures have to say; "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17 KJV

"she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat" Gen 3:6 KJV

"For the wages of sin is death;" Romans 6:23 KJV

Clearly scripture disagrees with you and if you don't like what it says please continue to come up with other none scriptural opinions. Since in your opinion Adam did not sin, I am sure everyone would like to meet him today and pointing to the race is not Adam himself. Scripture once again clearly states; "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died." Gen 5:5 KJV

Sorry to inform you but Adam died and the wages of SIN is death. Eve died for the same reason, it did not matter that she was deceived, she still sinned and paid the price. Yet today Adam still blames Eve and it wasn't her fault, he chose to sin.
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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by pstrron
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the adam race did not "sin", rather the big boo boo was what they did AFTER they were genetically modified to procreate


Lets see what the scriptures have to say; "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17 KJV

"For the wages of sin is death;" Romans 6:23 KJV

Clearly scripture disagrees with you and if you don't like what it says please continue to come up with other none scriptural opinions. Since in your opinion Adam did not sin, I am sure everyone would like to meet him today and pointing to the race is not Adam himself. Scripture once again clearly states; "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died." Gen 5:5 KJV

Sorry to inform you but Adam died and the wages of SIN is death. Eve died for the same reason, it did not matter that she was deceived, she still sinned and paid the price. Yet today Adam still blames Eve and it wasn't her fault, he chose to sin.


actually it's not non-scriptural the original adam race did not sin. the first sin was what we did AFTER we became procreative at which point, we were not the original adam anymore.. that's what the knowledge of good and evil is. the eating from reference is a metaphor. the tree imagery is dna.
the tree of life is that part of dna that regulates full body regeneration.
the tree of knowledge, is that part of dna that regulates procreation and its associated hormones.

notice what it says in the text after the adam and eve (foreshadowing cause she's not a mother yet when she shows up in the scene) became procreative, the elohim voted to nerf their dna. the legs were removed from the serpent (dna), so was probably some part of dna that has been blocked from being read by the mechanism that regenerates the body fully -- et. al, the tree of life. read again. the way to the dna that regenerates the body fully (eternal body) was blocked (the dna strands would no longer unzip so they could be read)

for example, adam knew his wife and she begat. to know or have knowledge was to have sex. so the tree of knowledge is that part of dna (the tree) that regulates whether a species is procreative.

let's look at the legs of the serpent




the book of genesis is a science book.

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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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It wasn't quite like that. It was a little different. Annanuki is a bit of a catch all for all that come from above. There was a strong Lyra presence, and they were already spread out in various systems including Rigel, and I believe a kind of laying seige to the goodness and equality of the school, which had spread out to the solar system in the past. The ruthless metaphorical dark side, lays seige to souls. In the Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit, can't remember which movie now, but a clue was given that seemed to say the same thing, a time long ago when life was good, and dwarf, elf, human, helped each other and lived in peace more or less. But then a love of the gold occurred and where there is gold and greed dragons show up. I thought that was a good enough analogy to the process of laying seige to souls slowly lowering frequency.

The 2 opposing brothers I thought didn't allude to the trojan horse and betrayal of the school in the past but more to some forces within the annanuki, but it could have been the larger experience of sides when the takeover occurred and many did not want to fight or lower frequency. Perhaps others did fight, its just a few glimpses under the veil for me. But we're still under seige here on earth.

Anyway, they took out Mars, and Mu and this was long before the Annanuki hundreds of thousands of years ago, so I would say several millions of years ago.

And yet can't help but feel as if there was a betrayal of their own people, and an inner conflict taking place, so that the groups, some become overtaken, become corrupt.

Now the mismanagement team here, tptb are hybrids/nephilim, and consequently far less loving than they should be.

This macho reptilian type group does not like womens energy for that is equality and never giving up on others, compassion. I see the energy of Mother as Equality, and Father as Freedom and both need to be married, hold hands for us to go back home.
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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 12:59 AM
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actually it's not non-scriptural the original adam race did not sin


So based on an opinion and not what the scriptures say.




the first sin was what we did AFTER we became procreative at which point, we were not the original adam anymore.. that's what the knowledge of good and evil is. the eating from reference is a metaphor. the tree imagery is dna. the tree of life is that part of dna that regulates full body regeneration. the tree of knowledge, is that part of dna that regulates procreation and its associated hormones.


Please provide a scriptural reference for this. Surely your not basing this off of the Kabbalah.




the elohim voted to nerf their dna


Once again please provide a scriptural reference stating this as I have never read this in any version of the bible. Posting a YouTube video is not helping your case as not everyone can view a YouTube video and that includes me.




for example, adam knew his wife and she begat. to know or have knowledge was to have sex. so the tree of knowledge is that part of dna (the tree) that regulates whether a species is procreative


Nowhere does it state this regarding the tree or its fruit. It was the knowledge of good and evil not sex unless you are referring to sex as being evil since everything God made was good and since he made male and female (sex) it must be therefore good.

All this Anunnaki and DNA mumbo jumbo does not hide or cover the fact that organized religion has used Eve as the scape goat for the fall of man when it in fact it was Adam's fault. Trying to pass off Adam to mean race is clearly sidestepping the issue when scripture once again calls Adam as a single person and that "Adam" was his name. Either you accept that Adam blew it and caused the fall and blamed Eve or not does not change the fact that Adam is the one to blame for the fall NOT Eve. It also does not alter the fact that women globally suffer due to this perception.

Pointing to the Anunnaki or some other excuse is just the same old blame game. It didn't work then and it doesn't work now. Adam pointed at God and Eve and forgot to notice that while he was pointing, three fingers were pointing back to himself.
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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:09 AM
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Christians are not unique in this facet and I'm thankful they have, for the most part evolved past this sentiment. All of the Abrahamic faiths are guilty of extreme sexism as can still be seen in Islam.

Christianity isn't completely absolved of this, unfortunately. In Africa, Christians still murder women and their children for being "witches". They take little girls and place tires full of gasoline around their necks then light them on fire. Many times, they find broken glass inserted into the genitalia upon examining the corpses. This is all done in the name of Jesus. Other girls are covered in lysergic acid because their husbands get jealous in the name of Muhammad.

I think this type of ignorance is one of the only things that seriously gets my blood boiling to the point of vengeful rage. The types of people who do this and think this way are too twisted for my mercy or empathy.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 01:47 AM
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(the numbers are strongs concordance numbers so you can look up the original words)

And the LORD 3068 God 430 said 559, Behold 2005, the man 120 is become as one 259 of us, to know 3045 good 2896 and evil 7451: and now, lest he put forth 7971 his hand 3027, and take 3947 also of the tree 6086 of life 2416, and eat 398, and live 2425 for ever 5769:

that doesn't say the man. it says the adam, as in a race of people, male and female who were copied in the image AND likeness of the elohim, like it said in verse 27

the eve was not made in the image of the adam but in the image of iysh.
the translators are sneaky. they inserted the word for man whether it was a man or woman and whether it was from the word for adam or not, insinuating that the word for adam was identical to the word for man. this is not true the original adam race were males and females made in the image and likeness of the gods. not in the image of and likeness of an iysh.

Gen 4:1 And Adam 120 knew 3045 853 Eve 2332 his wife 802; and she conceived 2029, and bare 3205 853 Cain 7014, and said 559, I have gotten 7069 a man 376 from 854 the LORD 3068.

he KNEW her. to know was to have sex. knowledge was procreation. yes i'm saying that the fall narrative is about the adam race, who were created in the image and LIKENESS of the gods, were nerfed because they were genetically manipulated to be procreative and having eternal bodies in a procreative rebellious species would create all kinds of havoc in the universe,. so they nerfed us by blocking the ability for dna to be fully regenerative -== blocked the way to the tree of life..

adam = atum, the egyptian gods of creation (yes it's a plural too).
remember moses was raised in the house of pharaoh, so he had learned the history from both the egyptian descendants of noah and the mesopotamian descendants of noah. same story, slightly different cultural spin.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 02:01 AM
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here i did a strong's concordance search on every incidence of the word "man" in the text. simply click on the little numbers following the words
www.blueletterbible.org...



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by pstrron

Adam accused God of giving him a defective mate...
Why, because Adam still blames the woman for what he himself did.


Genesis 3:11 And he (the LORD God) said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

Two specific questions:
1. Who told you that you were naked?
2. Have you eaten...?

Adam's reply:
genesis 3:12The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

The man answers those two specific questions. There is no blame here. The woman told him that he was naked - "For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened". Did eve not eat first? Of course she did. Therefore, she told Adam that he was naked. Then he answers the second question - I ATE. Can I ask where there is blame here?

1 Corinthians 14 gives us a huge clue to the garden of Eden parable)
V26 "What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation." (establishes that both men and women can speak)

V29-33 "Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. For God is not a God of disorder but of peace—as in all the congregations of the Lord’s people." 

V34-35 "Women  should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

In a chapter addressed four times to "brothers AND sisters", the Holy Spirit through Paul equates man to the prophet and woman to the spirit of the prophet.

"The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.
Women  should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says."

'Man' (prophet) listened to 'woman' (his own spirit). Isaiah 14


How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.


The LORD God never accused Adam of blaming Eve. But what was the issue that He had with Adam?


Genesis 3:17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’


Adam, man, listened to Eve, woman, and thereby disobeyed God's command. The prophet listened to his own spirit (his WILL) instead of keeping it in subjection. His WILL and desires wanted what the serpent promised. No different than why all of us do things which we KNOW to be wrong - we give into our will and emotions and desires instead of obeying God's will. We all know it's wrong to steal, but yet that little voice inside says 'but I want it, I desire it, it's not fair that I don't have it, I covet it etc'. So we steal even though we KNOW it's taking another person's property. All abort babies KNOWING that they are killing a life yet do so because they listen to themselves instead of the command "Do not murder" which resides within their conscience as a wrong.

The physical mirrors the spiritual. This is why Oprah and every other talk show targets women with its doctrines of men. Women then bring it into their home and influence the family - both husband and children. Women, far more than men, are seduced by the senses and plays to emotions and desires, the seat of the will. However, as men are feminised to 'talk about their emotions and desires', men give heed to their own spirit thus exalting it. Everything today appeals to our senses which in turn feed the 'spirit of the prophet', that part of each of us that wants to exert our own will instead of HIS WILL.

These quotes included in the OP's thread can be seen for what they are - people who hate and use scripture to set an agenda - their own. It also hides the truth from all who believe them. The Bible shows us that the physical demonstrates spiritual truths. We are to love God with our whole heart, soul and mind. It's from the "heart" that all manner of evil thoughts arise....not my will but His will. Rational thought is being driven underground in favour of feelings, emotions and mysticism as we repeat the garden ofEden



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 06:46 AM
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they weren't sexual beings before the procreative addition to their genome. so when they became procreative, they started noticing each other's nakedness. that's what that amounts to. the fruit of the tree of knowledge, is sex. so what the text is saying is that eve said, hey let's do the wild thang. and adam said "okay".

why was that bad? it wasn't bad to have sex, it was bad that the adam had become procreative and all the hormones involved in procreation also are directly and indirectly involved in other things like survival of the fittest behaviors and so forth.

think about it: the entire subject is about creating new life -- the adam race had gained the ability to create new life, like god, but it came with a price tag.
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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 07:05 AM
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Fine. Some people feel that way and it's by no means a Christian-exclusive view.

I personally was abused by women for much of my childhood and they still cause major problems for me today. Very serious problems. Many of them are deranged and exist to torment me.

If there were reincarnation I must have been a stalker/rapist back once upon a time.

But if there wasn't then it's clear they're just low-intellect, selfish, harmful people ho have come to aid in my ruin.

If any of this was the state of things in the old days, then why would you blame John Wesley?

Women are not princesses. They are not entitled to any special treatment. If they are being stupid then they should be treated like they are stupid. And surely if one of them engineers a great new innovation or brilliance then they are credited for that as well.

No one here in my camp I think is trying to say that these views from 100-500 and more years ago we should relive. But it looks to me that you're saying we should treat them as royalty instead. Why not just treat everyone equally, how about that?



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 07:15 AM
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Sex as God intended it was meant to be wholesome. After the fruit was eaten then the fruit of good knowledge, as well as bad knowledge (like perversion, wickedness, slander, murder) all entered into humanity. The Relationship, or had their been multiple humans on earth relationships in general, despite the command to go forth and multiply having been given prior to the Fall, was on a level of frequency that valued love and unity on a spiritual level and so the original couple had no need to have sex to bring their love to a completion. They had no need for sex because they were already at one.

My view of the fruit was that it had DNA altering properties. The originals humans were probably an early variety of homonid and the fruit itself sped up the evolutionary process. I also suspect that other humans existed on the earth at the time (dividing me from most likely the great majority of believers) and that the different varieties of homonids evolved with respect to the regions they were confined, that is, they evolved on a regional level. That as man was divided more against man the evolutionary process carried us on to us Homo sapien today. That is, different varieties of homonids wiping out other homonids, and only the most advanced surviving.

The evolution that was realized over time was a low degree of structural changes in the anatomy and skeletal structures of early man. But overall, the evolution that I am familiar with right now as being the most easily steered is that of intelligence. The result of dysgenic or eugenic effects lead to a modal IQ for a society that is directly tied with the superiority of that civilization and certainly is a factor in leading to dystopian states. Any structural change could only develop over a very long term. Changes in intellectual stature can be generated by the elite in a few generations.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 07:31 AM
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Is that lil waynes sister? Oh what am I saying? Half of you probably dont know who lil wayne is.

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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 07:41 AM
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I like how you pretty much quoted everything but the bible.


Let's be honest, other than child bearing there's little need for the woman, unless you consider the Bible.

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posted on May, 2 2013 @ 07:49 AM
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awesome.
Those quoted were pretty smart huh.



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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What are some great contributions to civilization from women vs men.....
I believe men take that cake.

besides... didn't a man invent the bra?
didn't a man invent the tampon?



posted on May, 2 2013 @ 08:10 AM
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As for Eve - she broke the rules and was dealt the consequence. As a woman I can truly say I get mad at her for doing so and therefore reaping such consequences on down the line.



uh...don't know what to say about this. You are obviously blindly accepting that story as truth, since you are mad at Eve ....


Considering the time we attribute to Bible being written, and it is most certainly written by men...(with penises)...do you think they would write anything else than..."she made me do it" or "it was all her fault"...

Obviously propaganda worked on you well...





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