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Many in Muslim world want sharia as law of land: survey

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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by skalla

Originally posted by Maslo
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I know a few who study here, but not very deeply. They are the elite, tough. Unless you have spent few years living in an islamic country, outside of a typical tourist locations, and they accepted you, then your opinion will be biased. Even then it may be biased. Id say surveys like these are our best chance to see the big, global picture. Thats assuming that they reflect reality. I think they do, because this is not the first one to come to the same conclusion, and I have yet to see one that would directly contradict it.


so you know a few, but not very deeply and yet you are able to generalise them all as a bunch of religious crazies? have you then spent a few years living in an islamic country as you suggest would be neccessary to form an opinion, in both your own opinion and own words?

also is there anyway that you personally could see to form an opinion on a muslim that is not biased.

after all this, are you so blind that you cannot see your own remarkable level of bias?

can you see how contradictory everything that you have said is?

could you possibly make this any easier for me? i expected more


My opinion is not based on personal experience (doing so would be anecdotal evidence fallacy anyway), but on sociological studies like in the OP, than use unbiased sampling. Are you implying I am biased because I use impartial survey data to form my conclusions, instead of biased sampling in the form of personal experience with a few muslims?

As I said, unless you have lived for at least a few years in muslim countries, your opinion is certainly more worthless than that of the survey. And even if you lived there for that long, it could still be biased (if the area is unrepresentative of the overall muslim population - a liberal big city for example).

So in short, representative sample surveys are by design less biased than personal experience. Unless you deny the whole science of statistics, your point is an anecdotal evidence fallacy and your personal experience is more biased than the survey.


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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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I wouldn't bother, seekeroftruth is utterly incapable of accepting that the US might be responsible for its actions or ever acts in anything but the best interests of the world, better prepare yourself for a confusing roller coaster ride of an argument



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:14 PM
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Any idea what the Confidence Interval is on that survey? Didn't see it mentioned in the OP, but I don't see how you can claim it's completely unbiased without knowing that.

And I've just read the article and there's no mention either....
I don't see how anyone can place trust in an article about a survey that contains no information on how it was carried out.

Don't doubt it was a rigorously carried out survey, but I'm also aware of how fluid information can be and quite interested in the mechanics of such things

edit on 1-5-2013 by MaxSteiner because: read the article a bit more



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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I am not saying its completely unbiased, just that its less biased than personal experience with a few muslims. The sample size is 38,000, thats pretty big number, and certainly more than any sample possible with personal experience.

I will try to find the exact confidence intervals.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:29 PM
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Absolutely true, they definitely asked more than anyone could ever know at least.
Must be a nightmare covering such a wide sample, some of it could be done via phone but to get a true sampling you'd probably have to travel hundreds of miles over desert, turn up in random villages out in the middle of nowhere (because they don't always have phones), appeal for audiences with tribal leaders, hire hundreds of interpreters for numerous regional dialects, carry out individual interviews to remove peer pressure (which means you'd need both women and men to carry out the interviews to abide by sharia law).... I'd imagine the story of how they conducted it would be almost as interesting as the results!

Make up adverts have made me doubt all statistics so I always like to peer under the hood if I can



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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Here is the full report pdf:
www.pewforum.org...



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:56 PM
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Don't know about you, but I want no part of Sharia Law, or suicide bombings.


Me either since no man knows the will of God/Allah anyone who think he would want us to kill in his name is not doing the will of God/Allah.

They are doing their own will.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 12:56 PM
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and yet by your own standard you do not have the information to back up your very clearly prejudiced and uninformed statement. having grown up, worked and lived amongst a great many muslims throughout my life (as well as having worked with some during a brief period in the middle east that included an "AQ" bombing some 10 miles away) i am fully aware that they are not by and large the hateful zealots that you wished to portray them as by describing the average muslim as comparable to the westboro baptist church. you can call it an anecdotal evidence fallacy all you like, but it's actually real life experience which in this case you lack.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:11 PM
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the term judeo Christian is an oxymoron. Judiasm rejects Jesus as the son of god. The Talmud says that Christ is boiling in semen; there are hardly grounds enough to use the term judeo and christian in the same sentence let alone in the same word.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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If you look at history, the only time that islam is peaceful is when they are weak. If they see a weakness in their enemies, they will exploit it.

You mean just like Westerners?



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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"Many in Muslim world want sharia as law of land"

I want peace on earth and goodwill to all men, chance would be a fine thing!

As for this Sharia law garbage, there getting democracy, and they better bloody well like it! LoL



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by neo96



Don't know about you, but I want no part of Sharia Law, or suicide bombings.


Me either since no man knows the will of God/Allah anyone who think he would want us to kill in his name is not doing the will of God/Allah.

They are doing their own will.


I think you are right. The plan seem from my point of view to be to dump an insane amount of souls with the ability to reconnect back to push spiritual energy to this planet to change what is and create a higher instance of synchronicity that will awaken even more spiritually.

How many songs now days do you hear about being awake, radio active, shining, spinning, light, breaking thru, going under?

Sorry but we live in mysterious times.



Mysterious life
Where we're moving around, dancing the rhythm of life.

Time
Mysterious time
Where we're counting the hours and days to the end of our time.

And we're feeling the change and we don't know why
Choose one direction just one more time
Don't say I'm thinking too much if you see what's behind.

[Chorus]
And these are Mysterious Times
Mysterious Times
No trick of the mind
For this moment I feel like we live in Mysterious Times.
If you see what's behind, these are Mysterious Times.

Soul
I feel my soul
For this moment nobody can stop me from flying so high.

Real
Nothing is real
In a world of illusion you only see what you feel.

And we're feeling the change and we don't know why
Choose one direction just one more time
Don't say I'm thinking too much if you see what's behind.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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the term judeo Christian is an oxymoron.

Don't both Jews and Christians believe the Torah/Old Testament to be divinely revealed?



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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There are many that would like theocratic laws applied that pertain to their religion and a survey might reveal the same, be it Canon Law, Noahides etc, if you ask me this pole completely misses that point, I bet the majority of any religion would want their root religious tenants applied as a rule of law and how to guide your social functionality.

I think one of the main points, as far as I have read is that the difference between democracy and islamic ideology is that in islamic beliefs religion is above government and should never be any different, and that is one of the hardest obstacles to push democracy to hard line or fundamental islamic followers, we are not talking the liberal or mainstream islam followers.

I do not think any of those laws will ever take root anywhere here in the U.S. it just does not have a majority here that follow that religion and our foundations do not support that because of separation of church and state.

Anyone that disagrees please add in your two cents this is just my own understanding of the situation, there might be some experts here on ATS that can correct and further educate me on this!

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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by MaxSteiner
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I wouldn't bother, seekeroftruth is utterly incapable of accepting that the US might be responsible for its actions or ever acts in anything but the best interests of the world, better prepare yourself for a confusing roller coaster ride of an argument


Had I offended you in any way in this thread that you need to cast aspersion upon the insignificant nobody me on this thread, and offer nothing else that is of relevance to this thread?

Is this your way to try to stifle my freedom of speech, by maligning me? Are you aware of even the T&C rules here or treat ATS as your personal site to shut up those whom proved your intellectual limitations?

Don't worry, I will not report you to the mods, or even request that your post be penalised and strucked off. No. I would rather it remain to show what kind of character you possess, so that members be more aware of what kind of human you are.

Cheers.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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and yet by your own standard you do not have the information to back up your very clearly prejudiced and uninformed statement.


i.imgur.com...

www.pewglobal.org...



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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From my understanding no, Moses supposedly only got a portion of the laws 10 that most Christians follow, the Pharisees I believe claim to have gotten many more commandments, 613 to be exact which I believe devout followers of Judaism believe....anyone can correct me if needed.
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posted on May, 1 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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We all love to vilify the Muslims by taking about Sharia Law and the way they treat women and the harsh punishment dealt to those who violate the laws. I do not condone muslims but they are portrayed constantly in MSM as the bad guys who's sole function in life is to be on a perpetual jihad. I'm sorry but I am tired of this. If Islam was truly the evil religion that MSM portrays it to be and if it's followers are barbarians why then are there so many in Europe, America, Canada, Australia and other western nations. Surely the hosting nations could restrict their immigration.
I am not a big fan of muslims but I am a big fan of truth in all it's forms. I hate deceit and manipulation as well as those that perpetrate it.
If muslims are so diabolical and hated then who is responsible for their immigration into western nations. Think of who has the money and therefore the power to corrupt politicians into a misguided immigration that would pollute and contaminate the identity of western nations. See www.youtube.com...
MSM which is either zionist owned or controlled constantly points to Shiria Law as something to be feared and loathed. I ask you to consider the following:

1) God is never angry about the Jews, just about the Non-Jews.
2) The possessions of the goyim are like an ownerless desert, and everybody (every Jew) who seizes it, has acquired it.
3) Non-Jewish property belongs to the Jew who uses it first.
4) The Jew is allowed to practice usury (loansharking) on the Non-Jew.
5) Jews may steal from Non-Jews.
6) Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews.
7) Jews may lie to Non-Jews. Jews may use lies (subterfuges) to circumvent a Gentile.
8) Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin.
10) If a Jew is tempted to do evil, he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Where did these come from: the Torah the next most holy book in the jewish religion after the Torah. This was pointed out in a legal action in Winnipeg in Canada. The lawyer representing the defendant pointed out that coming from the mouth of a gentile these comments are anti-semitic. If they are spoken by a jew however, they are not anti-semitic.Glad he clarified that. Why doesn't MSM ever talk about this hidden aspect; the jews are the good guys and the bad guys are the muslims. It's sort of like the quote form Voltaire. History is the lie commonly agreed upon. What is good and what is bad depends on the spin you put on the story.
In closing, as in any race, color or creed there are good and bad. I do not speak negatively about all jews as many are honorable and righteous people. There are those that read this and will rant that it is an anti semitic rant. This is directed against the zionists who see world domination as their objective and who push their agenda through lies, deceit, misrepresentation and criminal activity.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 02:06 PM
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From my understanding no, Moses supposedly only got a portion of the laws 10 that most Christians follow, the Pharisees I believe claim to have gotten many more commandments, 613 to be exact which I believe devout followers of Judaism believe....anyone can correct me if needed.

Nobody is claiming that Judaism and Christianity are synonyms when they say Judeo-Christian, only that there are commonalities and the commonalities are being emphasised.

Much like "revealed religions" expression (which included Islam as well) used by the previous Pope.



posted on May, 1 2013 @ 02:08 PM
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That wasn't intended as insulting, I was just warning him not to expect you to take any of his points on board or to get any answers out of you.

(I do have to admit you've been quite reasonable in this thread thus far though
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