reply to post by Danbones
Hey that was well posted: All the religious bickering and killing could be stopped in a heart beat if a Biblegod came back and got in mankind's face
and once again laid the law down as he was once known to do.
At the hour of the afternoon sacrifice the prophet Elijah approached the altar and prayed, “O LORD, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, prove now
that you are the God of Israel. and that I am your servant and have done all this at your command. Answer me, LORD, answer me, so that this people
will know that you, the LORD, are God and that you are bringing them back to yourself.”
The LORD sent fire down, and it burned up the sacrifice, the wood, and the stones, scorched the earth and dried up the water in the trench.
When the people saw this, they threw themselves on the ground and exclaimed. “The LORD is God; the LORD alone is God!”
Elijah ordered, “Seize the prophets of Baal; don’t let any of them get away!” The people seized them all, and Elijah led them down to Kishon
Brook and killed them.
(1st Kings 18)
Now THAT’S the way to settle the disagreement!!!!!! and I guess it also lays to rest the Christian excuse of “not tempting the Lord” when it
comes to making Biblegod prove himself. No more hot air arguments, no more geek-speak. Just “show me actions not words!”. Biblegod (according to
the Bible) wasn’t shy about PROVING his existence way back then, for the Bible says that God changes not- he is the same yesterday, today,
I the LORD do not change (Malachi 3:6 RSV)
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever. (Hebrews 13:8 RSV)
THEREFORE, if it was a good and acceptable thing for him to prove his existence back then with “fire from heaven” it would be good for him
nowadays as well, especially seeing how he’s competing against a lot more gods or messiahs than just Baal.
Now let us look at the three steps of the Muslim government/religion:
STAGE ONE—When Muslims are completely outnumbered and can’t possibly win a physical confrontation with unbelievers, they are to live in peace with
non-Muslims and preach a message of tolerance. We see an example of this stage when Muhammad and his followers were a persecuted minority in Mecca.
Since the Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the revelations Muhammad received during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall
have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future punishment (rather than a worldly punishment) for unbelievers.
STAGE TWO—When there are enough Muslims and resources to defend the Islamic community, Muslims are called to engage in defensive Jihad. Thus, when
Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to begin fighting, Muhammad received
STAGE THREE—When Muslims establish a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive Jihad. Hence, once
Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he received the call the fight all unbelievers. In Surah 9:29, we read:
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge
the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight those who do not believe in Islam (including the “People of the
Book”—Jews and Christians). Not surprisingly, we find similar commands in Islam’s most trusted collections of ahadith (traditions containing
Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be
worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”
Sahih Muslim 30— “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”
Ibn Kathir sums up Stage Three as follows: “Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If anyone of them refuses to do so, or
refuses to pay the Jizyah, they should be fought till they are killed.”
There seems to always be a reason some government or religion needs to kill someone, no?
I have lived in Saudi Arabia and flown all over the mid-east to such garden spots as Egypt, Yemen, and Oman. I have even been to Mecca many times;
well the airport which should count for something?
I have no problem with any other religion until the shooting starts or the bombs go off. Then all the platitudes and words stop having meaning and it
gets personal real quick.
Some of the above was copied from a post of mine in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...
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