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Originally posted by LogicGrind
There can not just be a full repeal...something has to replace it. Republicans can't run on simply a platform of "repeal"...they tried that and they lost.
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If you have another option...let's hear it.
1. The Republican who ran on the repeal platform and lost also had the stigma of having been responsible for passing a law similar to Obamacare in MA. I don't think all of us were confident in his dedication to repealing the law.
2. Again, as more Americans realize election have consequences they will (hopefully) begin to also start using their brain inside the voting booth. That may be high hopes, considering the majority of Americans have recently demonstrated a serious lack of brain activity when voting... but hey, now that consequences are beginning to reveal themselves, anything is possible.
3. You've heard my option, repeal it. That you consider the option to be untennable doesn't really change the fact that it is a viable option and is the most uniformly fair option out there. Certainly continuing down this path of expecting the haves to fully support the have nots isn't going to float forever.
Originally posted by LogicGrind
It's not just my opinion that it can't be done...it is reality that it can't be done. Republicans know this...the SCOTUS was their last hope...it was the last time that it could have been done away with before most of it went into effect.
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Originally posted by LogicGrind
It's not just my opinion that it can't be done...it is reality that it can't be done. Republicans know this...the SCOTUS was their last hope...it was the last time that it could have been done away with before most of it went into effect.
Ah yes, but it was called a tax by the SCOTUS. That means that all it would take is majority GOP control in the House, Senate, and Presidency and, just as with the so-called "Bush tax cuts", changes can be made swiftly.
Your argument about the pre-existing conditions, people without insurance, etc are all emotional arguments which have no place in dealing with matters of logistics and money. My wallet is not at the beck and call of the general populace's emotional fears.
Originally posted by FORMe2p00p0n
The cost of my awesome Insurance before Obamacare: $150.00 per month
The cost of my down graded insurance after Obamacare: $320.00 per month
I found it hard to go to the doctors before..... now I can't afford to
Its ok, I know it's going to a good cause... like bailing out multi-national corporations....edit on 1-5-2013 by FORMe2p00p0n because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MystikMushroom
Don't tell me that they have it worse in the UK and other countries in Europe.
Hundreds — possibly thousands — of patients have died from lack of care in British hospitals in what an official government investigation termed “the biggest scandal in NHS [National Health Service] history.”
The 31-month, $20-million investigation into the Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust, led by barrister Robert Francis, found that “between 2005 and 2009, up to 1,200 patients died unnecessarily and many more were ‘failed by a system which ignored the warning signs and put corporate self-interest and cost control ahead of patients and their safety,’” according to the Telegraph. Francis issued a report on the investigation February 6.
“Within hours of the publication of” that report, the Telegraph reported, the government opened an investigation into five more NHS trusts — regional healthcare authorities — that have experienced high mortality rates in recent years. “Between July 2010 and June 2012, a total of 3,063 deaths were recorded at the five trusts, which comprise eight district general hospitals, over and above what would be expected,” the paper wrote. This investigation will be headed by Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS Commissioning Board.
Originally posted by Ghost375
It sounds like people are greedy
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
Originally posted by Ghost375
It sounds like people are greedy
Yes, because nothing says "greedy bastard" like a man who wants to retain as much of his own earnings as possible, right?
The entitlement attitude of people, the balls it takes to suggest that someone's hard earned money should be subjected to some sort of socialist redistribution honestly sickens me. That paycheck the government takes an ever increasing amount from every week? They didn't earn that, they didn't build that, the stole that...