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Sometimes I wonder about the Trinitarian view.

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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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The letter attests to Paul writing it. Do you just make stuff up on the fly like this all the time?
Hello, that's pretty standard.
Those books were shot down a long time ago as not authentic, by serious biblical scholars.
The more the book claims to be authentic, the more likely it is that it is not.




posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

What did Jesus say about the OT?

You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,
John 5:39
Jesus is being a bit sarcastic, with the point that they only think they can find salvation in them, when the only real way to be saved is in accepting Jesus.


He was mocking them correct, but His point remains that the OT testifies of Him. This is also apparent when He gives two disciples on the road to Emmaus a teaching after His resurrection showing them all the places in the OT starting with the Torah and through the prophets which spoke about Him. (Luke 24:27)



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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So he agrees with murder? I thought he said that violence was wrong?

Jesus' message pretty much says he didn't agree with the OT god. Jesus taught about love and freedom, Yahweh taught about fear and submission. Totally different messages.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


If we must take the NT as literal word for word fact, then we must also agree that Paul said Jesus was the end the Law.

I have made the argument before that Paul contradicts Jesus when he says that he was the end of the Law, but you (?) beat around the bush and say that he didn't mean what he said.

So was Jesus the end of the Law or not? Paul says that he was, Jesus says that he wasn't. If you must read John 5:39 literally, you must also read Romans 10:4 literally as well.


I'm not getting into that old debate in this thread. There are two other current threads where that particular avenue is already being discussed.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Jesus was God in the flesh, even though he didn't ever say such things...

Yes he did. Go look at the link in NOTurTypical's .sig


No writing exists from anywhere within the time Jesus actually lived...

So what?


Paul was the actual person to start Christianity...

Not true.


Peter was the rock.... even though he was more like a stone... Meaning easily moved or swayed...

Debatable. He was definitely a different person after Pentecost, but one has to bear in mind that, unlike Paul, Peter didn't have the "go tell the Gentiles" thing driven into him, so his attachment to Judaism may be forgiven.



Figured what out?


Christianity has a tightly knitted theology

I still don't get it, sorry.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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Arius most certainly taught that Jesus was created
You are quoting a high school research paper as your proof?
Anyway, your web site is using Jehovah's Witnesses to represent Arianism, not Arius himself.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


So he agrees with murder? I thought he said that violence was wrong?

Jesus' message pretty much says he didn't agree with the OT god. Jesus taught about love and freedom, Yahweh taught about fear and submission. Totally different messages.


Well, rip out John 5:39 and Luke 24:27 from the bible.

Don't know what else to tell you.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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Fair enough, but your argument for Romans 10:4 is completely at odds with your argument for John 5:39.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by adjensen
 

Arius most certainly taught that Jesus was created
You are quoting a high school research paper as your proof?
Anyway, your web site is using Jehovah's Witnesses to represent Arianism, not Arius himself.


I linked to Wiki.

Said the exact same thing.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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Yes, Arius taught that Jesus was created by God:

Your link is no good and I have no idea what you are quoting.
Do you have a quote from Arius?



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Fair enough, but your argument for Romans 10:4 is completely at odds with your argument for John 5:39.


No it's not, you presented a non sequitur.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
 

The letter attests to Paul writing it. Do you just make stuff up on the fly like this all the time?
Hello, that's pretty standard.
Those books were shot down a long time ago as not authentic, by serious biblical scholars.
The more the book claims to be authentic, the more likely it is that it is not.


This tells me that you are a troll. Please troll somewhere else, this is not your bridge.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Yes, Arius taught that Jesus was created by God:

Your link is no good and I have no idea what you are quoting.
Do you have a quote from Arius?


Wikipedia - "Arianism"

I don't have one of his quotes, but you must since you're asking me for one in rebuttal.
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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:16 PM
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The thing that I find strange is that all of these ancient heresies were examined and rejected long ago by people smarter than you or I,
Have you read the early Church Fathers?
Those people were like living in cells and in the desert and on Islands, basically cut off from the world and did not even have access to the entire New Testament.
Plus people like Origen was obviously insane, from my reading his books.
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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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Yes, Arius taught that Jesus was created by God:

Your link is no good and I have no idea what you are quoting.
Do you have a quote from Arius?

As you are aware, there are no surviving original writings of Arius.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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Yes he did. Go look at the link in NOTurTypical's .sig


No he didn't... but its pointless arguing about it... that's one thing I have learned...

I have looked at it... and its the "typical" arguments which hold little to no weight in my opinion.... plus its broken


Not true. (referring to paul)


I disagree... He taught a completely different doctrine then Jesus did... and it seems there are more Paulian Christians then there are in support of Jesus.... some even go so far as to attempt to counter a quote from Jesus with Paul... which is just disgusting


Debatable. He was definitely a different person after Pentecost, but one has to bear in mind that, unlike Paul, Peter didn't have the "go tell the Gentiles" thing driven into him, so his attachment to Judaism may be forgiven.


Perhaps... Though I have issues trusting someone who clearly betrayed Jesus more then once...


I still don't get it, sorry.



No need to apologise... Most Christians refuse to see the obvious flaws in their doctrine... No offence of course

Im quite used to it





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posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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If Paul started Christianity then who were the Christians he was persecuting before converting to Christianity?




posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:18 PM
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Yes it is. You say to take one verse literally then beat around the bush with another.



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Yes, Arius taught that Jesus was created by God:

Your link is no good and I have no idea what you are quoting.
Do you have a quote from Arius?

As you are aware, there are no surviving original writings of Arius.


So he's attempting to use special pleading?



posted on Apr, 30 2013 @ 08:21 PM
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The NT didn't exist at the time of that letter being written. Paul's letters and the Gospels were not official. In fact, I don't think any of the Gospels were even written at that time.
They were, and read some books and learn something about the Bible before calling people who do, liars.

You're making things up as you go along again.
You could try reading some actual books on the Bible so you can find out about these things rather than reading cultish fundamentalist web sites.



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