reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Actually I was a part of the original tea party when it was started under Ron Paul. I supported him in 08 and 12, not because I believed in everything
he said, but because he was the closest to my views. I attended many Liberty oriented movements.
After what I said, just because I bash the Tea Party, you consider me a supporter of the establishment republicans or as a liberal? Seems like the
type of reasoning that comes from the mainstream brainwashing. And if you knew me personally you'd know how insane that is.
Problem most "conservatives" have with me is I'm not conservative enough and deal in a world of facts and rationale not emotions and half truths. When
my friends were all excited about Obama in 08, I was a lone voice criticized constantly for telling them to not get their hopes up and that he would
change nothing. And he hasn't. He's increased the unConstitutional actions by our government but because I believe things like he's putting tons of
people on food stamps not because he's a Marxist who is trying to buy votes (like our votes matter anymore... Right) but because huge corporations and
banks who run food stamp cards and SNAP benefits make huge profits off such things, I must not be a conservative! I don't buy the mainstream rights
version of Obama being some crazed America hating Muslim communist, I think he's a corporatist and a puppet and knows just where the centers of power
lie in this country and serves them well. There is an effort to destroy this country, but the threat comes from beyond the Left Right paradigm most
people are still stuck in.
I consider myself a conservative because my views are traditionally libertarian conservative. And I find a giant schism between myself and the idiots
leading the movement. Their true colors come out when you criticize our foreign policy or support Ron Paul who was more conservative than anyone who
ran for president in 2012. Yet they bash him and anyone who goes against what they deem "acceptable". And again, as a conservative I don't hate
liberals or a liberal ideology. I disagree with big government and their way of doing things, but I don't automatically lump them all into "evil
progressives! Must destroy!" category. It's ridiculous and childish.
All you have to do is look at the Tea Party darlings and their actions. Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann... These are all people who scare
the hell out of me and as previously stated I see them as fascists and hypocrites. Wolves in sheeps clothing who have hypnotized the masses and
hijacked the growing tide of people who are angry and upset at what they see around them in an attempt to steer them in he wrong direction.
We may be seeing 2 sides of the same thing.. I know there are average everyday people out there who care and actually know what they're talking about
who fit in with the Tea Party, but personally I as a conservative find them to be disingenuous and not real conservatives for the most part. People
who claim to love the Constitution but couldn't tell me what each amendment in the Bill of Rights says. Happens all too often
All you have to do is look at where their funding comes from. The Koch brothers who also claim to be libertarians and fund their cause yet profit off
of corporate socialism and socialist governments and get taxpayer money to boost their profits. They're frauds.
As a true conservative and follower of Christ I have a duty to expose hypocrisy and corruption wherever I see it, and that includes those who say they
are conservatives or Christians but their ACTIONS say otherwise.
As far as liberals go, I do criticize them, constantly. I just at the same time know many Democrats personally and know they aren't actively and
deceptively trying to destroy the constitution. Not like Harry Reid and Pelosi. I just cannot ignore the fact many on the right have done just as much
if not more damage to our founding documents. They themselves love big government when it suits them. As I said, I hate the demonization of a whole
group of people. I have no problem with people criticizing what they are doing. I do it? But the things I see on TV and hear on "conservative" talk
radio amount to hate speech in my eyes. Won't be long before "liberals" are being beaten to death and Mark Savage or Limbaugh won't take
responsibility, I guarantee you. All they can do is deflect it.
We'd be a lot better off if both sides actually took responsibility and stopped blaming everything on the other side.
And as far as amnesty, one thing I hate is the simplification of world events and politics which are almost always confusing and not black or white.
Yes, the illegals broke the law. But what would you suggest? Let me guess, we go around rounding them all up, arresting them, shipping back to Mexico
and dropping them off in the middle of the desert? They're here for a reason, and a big reason is because of US policy and so called free trade
arrangements like NAFTA that destroyed Mexican farming and their way of life. Our government is at least partly to blame for their plight, and I think
we should give them a chance. They would work (if there were actually jobs which there aren't because both parties have facilitated the outsourcing of
many industries) and spend a lot of money that would help our economy.
You don't talk to me about patriotism. I have a feeling you don't know what it means unless there is a democrat in office. Let me guess and assume
about you since you did it to me. You probably hate Muslims and believe it's a religion of hate, believe torture works, and ObamaCare is bad because
it's "Marxism" and it will give everyone healthcare which is socialism and evil, even though most estimates show it will leave about +30 million
uninsured and the individual mandate is unconstitutional. I have no problem with healthcare for all, I think it's essential and would do incalculable
good for this country if we were all physically healthy. But most "Tea Partiers" and those on the right hate it because of this and decry it as
socialism, totally ignoring the actual problems and unconstitutionalality of it.
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Do you know what these words mean? Do we all have a right to them? We're they God given or just insured
by the US government? (Meaning, as soon as you aren't an American citizen you don't have those rights)
I agree with Rabbit, it will take a middle ground for this country to survive and prosper. Problem is we've become so divided, the mainstream Dems
want it all their way and same with those on the mainstream right. They're statists and fascists in my eyes.
Good day to you and be careful who you trust. Good luck
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