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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Every statement ends up begging the question as I've mentioned before. Well what is the self? What is the ego? What is the difference between the two? What is self-realization? I would have to ask questions infinitely in the hopes to find any common ground, but all I find is more and more abstractions. You know these things. You should be able to describe them.
There you go again, trusting what you think you see. And yet whenever I ask you what does the room you are sitting in right now actually look like in reality, you can never answer it. Your eyes are just point-of-view machines. Sight gives you a sense of some object from a single point of view, but can never even tell you what an object actually looks like in reality - much less what any object actually IS! You put your full trust for your sense of reality in something so limited? Sounds like you have bought into a very limited idea, friend.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Obviously it is not self-evidently the case. You cannot produce what you are talking about. If I were to behold who you are with my own eyes, what would I see? Consciousness? Ego? Awareness? None of the above.
You've been sold an idea friend. That's all there is to it. You remain without your consciousness. Empty-handed, but nonetheless, no different than what you are.
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by akushla99
I can bear with you but you just went from being a color blind human to being an inanimate object.
I understand what you were trying to do in your first post. I just took it upon myself to offer a practical and rational solution to the situation you proposed but know you have taken it to an irrational exterme.
I will say that I don't agree with the OP and agree with what you were trying to do but I don't think you went about it the right way.
edit on 29-4-2013 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by akushla99
I don't know what you are trying to get at. You offered up a situation which was not a singular event but a condition that a person is living with.
Like you said in an earlier post, forget the apple, the crux isn't the apple but the person that cannot register red. In this case it would seem that it would be the person that can't register whatever certain eupheisms are alluding to.
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by akushla99
Subjectively, no but, yes, if it in fact exists.
Originally posted by akushla99
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...if I can't register it...does it exist anyway?
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Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by akushla99
No, the fact existing whether a particular person experiences it or not.
For example if you have an AM radio and a radio station is transmitting FM you will never pick up the signal (experience their transmission). It doesn't mean that they are not transmitting.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by akushla99
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...if I can't register it...does it exist anyway?
A99
According to quantum theory, both the apple and the color red are empty of any independently existing position in space.
Make of that what you will.
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by akushla99
It would seem to go both ways. From what I understand dogs are colorblind so you see more than them, unless you are color blind but they can out smell you. Bats can hear ultrasound which humans can't and snakes are supposed to be better than us at sensing heat (infrared).
Who knows what else is out there being transmitted that we don't all have the equipment to pick up but maybe, just maybe, some do. But, if they can how do they convey that experience to the rest of us? It would seem like empty words and euphemism, wouldn't it?
Originally posted by akushla99
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...but, I'm hearing you, on the 'picking up the signal' jaunt...you'd need an FM radio...non?...something that would 'pick up the signal'?...
Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by akushla99
I'm sure the OP is on top of his thread. I expect a rebuttal to any of my posts even if they were not in response to any of his.
Originally posted by Angle
reply to post by akushla99
Red is the colour of blood.
Profound OP.