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America will never become a Christian nation and these 7 Mountain Nutters are never going to be in charge.
John Adams, in 1797, wrote in Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli that:
"The Government of the United States of America, is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."
The eleventh article of the Barlow translation has no equivalent whatever in the Arabic. The Arabic text opposite that article is a letter from Hassan Pasha of Algiers to Yussuf Pasha of Tripoli. The letter gives notice of the treaty of peace concluded with the Americans and recommends its observation. Three fourths of the letter consists of an introduction, drawn up by a stupid secretary who just knew a certain number of bombastic words and expressions occurring in solemn documents, but entirely failed to catch their real meaning. Here the only thing to be done by a translator is to try to give the reader an impression of the nonsensical original:
Originally posted by abeverage
I have been waiting for the pendulum to swing to the extreme right.
Gonna make the dark ages look like the age of enlightenment....
Botttom line: The United States before the Civil War was a federation of sovreigns. The United States wasn't founded as a Christian country, but it comprised states that were founded, and continued to operate, as Christian republics, along with other states with other religious policies.
Everything is in the Bible and it only takes prayer to get understanding.
BUT, the Founding Fathers were NOT CHRISTIANS. And even if there are "Christian Republics" they can't FORCE people to BE Christian.
I don't know of ANY state that has mandatory Christianity laws YET,...
The Abrahamic religions are ALL oppressive. Theocracy = Oppressive Religion
You will never convince me that
people without religion can not be
moral, good, kind, and do the right
thing. If you really believe that,
logical7, I can only hope to enlighten
you to how mistaken you are.
I am objecting to your assumption that religion does not make people good, they are good by themselves and religion just takes the credit.
Being nice to others and cooperating with them aren't uniquely human traits. Frans de Waal, director of Emory University's Living Links Center at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Lawrenceville, Georgia, studies how our close primate relatives also demonstrate behaviors suggestive of a sense of morality.
De Waal recently published a book called The Bonobo and the Atheist: In Search of Humanism Among the Primates which synthesizes evidence that there are biological roots in human fairness, and explores what that means for the role of religion in human societies. CNN's Kelly Murray recently spoke with De Waal about the book.
In this lively and illuminating discussion of his landmark research, esteemed primatologist Frans de Waal argues that human morality is not imposed from above but instead comes from within. Moral behavior does not begin and end with religion but is in fact a product of evolution.
The main feature of this work is that it explores criminal behavior from all aspects of Tinbergen's Four Questions. Rather than focusing on a single theoretical point of view, this book examines the neurobiology of crime from a biosocial perspective.
It suggests that it is necessary to understand some genetics and neuroscience in order to appreciate and apply relevant concepts to criminological issues. Presenting up-to-date information on the circuitry of the brain, the authors explore and examine a variety of characteristics, traits and behavioral syndromes related to criminal behavior such as ADHD, intelligence, gender, the age-crime curve, schizophrenia, psychopathy, violence and substance abuse.
This book brings together the sociological tradition with the latest knowledge the neurosciences have to offer and conveys biological information in an accessible and understanding way. It will be of interest to scholars in the field and to professional criminologists.
Adrian Raine was the first person to conduct a brain imaging study on murderers and has since continued to study the brains of violent criminals and psychopaths. His research has convinced him that while there is a social and environmental element to violent behavior, there's another side of the coin, and that side is biology.
"Just as there's a biological basis for schizophrenia and anxiety disorders and depression I'm saying here there's a biological basis also to recidivistic violent offending," Raine, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania and author of the new book The Anatomy of Violence: The Biological Roots of Crime tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross.
Raine says that this re-visioning of violent criminals could potentially help direct how we approach crime prevention and rehabilitation.
A leading criminologist who specializes in the neurological and biosocial bases of antisocial and violent behavior draws on a wide range of new scientific research to explain how brain impairments that control the experiences of fear, decision-making and empathy can render people more likely to engage in criminal activity.
I'l like to hear it after you have read Qur'an.
Imad Eddin Habib is not a criminal—at least not under international law and international treaties on freedom of speech and conscience.
The reason why the Moroccan police is after him, is that he’s an outspoken atheist.
In the Islamic kingdom of Morocco, atheism itself is not a criminal offense. “Shaking the Muslim’s faith” is.
Under this vague designation, anyone openly criticizing Islam or promoting any other religion can be condemned to a prison term ranging from 6 months to 3 years (Christian missionaries are regularly expelled from the kingdom in virtue of this article.) In other words: when you live in Morocco, you can think whatever you want of religion, but you better keep it for yourself.
These past years, more and more Moroccans claimed their refusal of this religious omerta. The most mediatized case remains that of Kacem El Ghazali, an atheist activist who was granted political asylum in Switzerland, and recently testified before the UN against the persecution he suffered when he lived in Morocco.
THIS IS SCIENCE. IT IS being PROVEN
that people - and some animals - are
"wired" for moral behavior or immoral
37. And they said: "Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" Say:
"Allah is certainly Able to send down a
sign, but most of them know not."
38. There is not a moving (living) creature on earth, nor a bird that flies
with its two wings, but are
communities like you. We have
neglected nothing in the Book, then
unto their Lord they (all) shall be
39. Those who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs,
revelations, etc.) are deaf and dumb in
darkness. Allah sends astray whom He
wills and He guides on the Straight
Path whom He wills.
Why should I read Qur'an? Just so I can see your ex-texted verses are in there?
I'd like you to read the books or at least the websites in the post above that I just sourced for you. I'm beginning to think you're brainwashed,
The conclusions in the research are made to suit a viewpoint, "animals do it too, so its not due to religion or restricted to humans" what about "even animals do it, so it must be due to God who created all" ?
I do expect that you don't just want confirmers of your views and you welcome posters who challenge your views and you are ready to change your views if they are proven wrong or deficient.
I do appreciate that you acknowledged that your views about islam and muslims changed after interacting with me and other muslims here.
But my stance is firm, that a person who is never exposed to "religion" can be every bit as moral and good as someone raised with "religion."
It makes me sad to see that even you have a double standard, when religion is abused to kill, you blame the religion but when secular rulers abuse power and kill millions, you blame individual. Why?
I know enough about the world religions to make up my mind
I prefer reading secular historical texts
yet to experience marriage or
parenting, and I suspect that when
you've passed those "turning points" your views will also mature.
My interest is in "motivation" and "behavior". The powerful, greed-driven war-mongers are immoral people just as much as a religion-motivated killer is immoral.
How they "got that way" is what I'm
digging to find. And so far, there are
numerous causes. If not as many
causes as there are people.