Originally posted by ns9504
reply to post by 727Sky
Those numbers are crazy! But, how many records are broken in previous years? Unless they are compared to something I can't tell if they are going
up/down or "normal"
The very temp records many of the alarmist proclaim only go back 150 years. Ice core and sediment deposits (which require actual field work..eew get
your hands dirty science) are just now being published trying to get some answers and data on earths climate for periods of longer duration. So the
hockey stick graph that set many of the consequences of global warming into full blown panic mode was based on incomplete data at best and out right
fraud in some cases. Remember the hacked E-mails and all the numbers fudged a couple of years ago?
The best the undoctored numbers one can come up with is the earth has warmed .5c; that is why there was such consternation amongst the people who did
the computer modeling which had predicted a much faster and higher rise to include the oceans. Most of the studies I have read or seen on
T.V./Internet says for the last 17 years if anything the earth has been cooling .
QUOTE: I believe the only way to detect these changes is from the geologic record of marine sediments. In the high northern latitudes, those sediments
contain ice-rafted debris, or IRD. The IRD is deposited on or within ice sheets, portions of which eventually calve as icebergs and then travel on
vast ocean currents. The composition and movement of this drifting ice can provide insights into the future direction of climate change. Contrary to
the prevailing beliefs inside and out of the scientific community, my studies indicate that warming may not be the direction in which global climate
is headed after all.
The last 10,000 years of geological history are referred to as the Holocene Era. During that time, global climate has been relatively stable, with
swings from warmer temperatures to cooler and back again. On average, however, there has not been the kind of extreme climate oscillation that has in
the distant past led to periods of glaciation. Nevertheless, Earth is overdue for a cold snap. Close examination of the way ice is presently traveling
in ocean water, from frigid to warmer regions of the globe, suggests that the mechanisms for widespread planetary cooling may once again be
Ice rafting is a simple idea: particles such as stones, pebbles and fine grains become embedded in ice. As that ice drifts, it melts, depositing those
particles in oceanic sediments, leaving a “drift track” indicative of its source. Geologists are then able to reconstruct past ice-drift
directions by finding a method by which particles can be connected to a specific point of origin. END QUOTE:
In March 2002 scientific studies confirmed that polar ice was melting from the bottom up. By 2004, however, the air temperature was actually cooling.
In 2007, French and Dutch scientists were challenging the concept of global warming because computer models did not hold true and other planets in the
solar system were also experiencing warming.
This week NASA announced new evidence, with data gathered by the Terra Earth-orbiting satellite, that these models and the global warming
forecasts they make are wrong. The projections vastly overestimate the impact of humanity's carbon footprint and its effect on climate.
Our concerns about climate change are all based on those computer software models used by scientists who forecast global warming. Can those computer
programs be improved so they reflect the actual behavior of our atmosphere? After all, concerns about climate change and global warming have spawned
the "green" movement and worldwide political, social and cultural activity that costs trillions and often lead to unwarranted new regulations
IMO regardless if there is global warming or another ice age cometh TPTB will figure out how to tax and bank your money while all the while
proclaiming it is your fault if you do not support them and their endeavors. Climate terrorist, bad citizen, damn foreigners, etc etc. Again strong
arguments on both sides; follow the money rule 1