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Originally posted by inverslyproportional
Originally posted by 762x39
Originally posted by spock51
This is still going, huh? Wow.
Inverselyproportional, you have a good head on your shoulders. Rational, concise and correct as far as I am concerned. You are debating with folks from not only a non gun culture, but one many generations removed from the necessity to be totally self reliant and capable of taking care of one's self without outside help.
As a former police officer during the 70's and early 80's, I still like to believe that the primary mission of the Police was to serve and protect not only the public's safety but also their rights as citizens. It was my job to go into the diciest situations and keep the peace WITHOUT trampling all over someone's rights in the process.
My very last night in uniform, I was called to an unknown disturbance at a private residence and walked into a room with a gun in every corner, on every table and even across the old man's knees as he sat in his easy chair glaring at me. Some of the "logic" I am hearing here would dictate that I draw my service revolver and put the crazy old SOB on the ground or even shoot him. Did I have that right? I still say no to this day. The act of sitting in a chair with a shotgun lying on your knees in your own home is not a crime, rather like looking out your own window is not a crime, eh? (Except in Boston.) Long story made short is that it was a despondent, elderly widower grieving his departed wife on the anniversary of her death. In my world, you make no threat, overt or implied, to a citizen based on an act or action that is completely legal. It is not about JUST physical safety, but also the preservation of the dignity and rights of those you serve. I enforced the laws, served the public and protected the rights of everyone ONLY with the consent of those same people. Without them, I am irrelevant.
I know this isn't a place for one liners, but there isn't really much else to say. Thank you, sir.
Ya, what they both said! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Spock, please sir, you flatter me too much, I am not so wise as to say these words because they are mine alone, this is years of training talking, along with 35 years of living the life of a free man, that does exercise my rights, as if you don't use them, surely you will lose them.
So as much as I would love to claim credit, and stroke my ego, these words were taught to me by the true heroes and patriots, the founders, and those that fought and died before we lived, so we might one day have the freedom to voice our opposition to such acts.
IMHO, it is your sir, that shows great strength of character and wisdom.
I am merely stating the truth as I see it, and that same truth belongs not to me, but all men that would live free a good lives.
Originally posted by BellaSabre
reply to post by OptimusSubprime
I can't help but wonder -- would you feel differently if it was your son who lost his life, blown to bits at eight years old, or your loving daughter who lost her limbs?
Would you feel some need or desire for revenge or justice? Or would you insist that we live in a free society and people should be permitted to execute these types of events if they so choose?
Seriously, how would you handle it?
Originally posted by 762x39
Originally posted by spock51
This is still going, huh? Wow.
Inverselyproportional, you have a good head on your shoulders. Rational, concise and correct as far as I am concerned. You are debating with folks from not only a non gun culture, but one many generations removed from the necessity to be totally self reliant and capable of taking care of one's self without outside help.
As a former police officer during the 70's and early 80's, I still like to believe that the primary mission of the Police was to serve and protect not only the public's safety but also their rights as citizens. It was my job to go into the diciest situations and keep the peace WITHOUT trampling all over someone's rights in the process.
My very last night in uniform, I was called to an unknown disturbance at a private residence and walked into a room with a gun in every corner, on every table and even across the old man's knees as he sat in his easy chair glaring at me. Some of the "logic" I am hearing here would dictate that I draw my service revolver and put the crazy old SOB on the ground or even shoot him. Did I have that right? I still say no to this day. The act of sitting in a chair with a shotgun lying on your knees in your own home is not a crime, rather like looking out your own window is not a crime, eh? (Except in Boston.) Long story made short is that it was a despondent, elderly widower grieving his departed wife on the anniversary of her death. In my world, you make no threat, overt or implied, to a citizen based on an act or action that is completely legal. It is not about JUST physical safety, but also the preservation of the dignity and rights of those you serve. I enforced the laws, served the public and protected the rights of everyone ONLY with the consent of those same people. Without them, I am irrelevant.
I know this isn't a place for one liners, but there isn't really much else to say. Thank you, sir.
Originally posted by Nicks87
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