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If your city is on "lock-down", do NOT look outside.

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posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:30 PM
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Sure, the FBI could have done a better job. So could just about ANYONE in ANY job. It's no secret that human beings are fallible. I agree there should have been better communication within the department and with other intelligence, but in reality, people (and therefore organizations) sometimes make mistakes and things fall through the cracks. It's easy to look back on this and see how it could have been better handled.




posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:30 PM
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I used to have a lot of really good friends who were cops, still do, but these are small town guys I guess its different in the city.
Truthfully though I would have taken my cances with that kid any day. Cops these days scare the hell ut of me, I stay away from them. They always seem to hate everyone but I can see thier side . People suck!



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by wirefly

No. They shouldn't even be on the street to begin with. So, your point is invalid to begin with.


That's a matter of conjecture, and one I don't necessarily disagree with. The problem is, this is reality, and they WERE THERE, and it was NOT illegal for them to be there.

So, in all actuality, my point is still extremely valid.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by inverslyproportional

Originally posted by Bone75

Originally posted by ivbnu
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Why does everyone act like there was bombs going off everywhere? After the first kid was killed there was no more round fired or bombs set off. Granted they were unaware of wether he was armed or not but it didn't seem to be anymore dangerous than oh say down town chicago where the police don't want to go anymore not that I blame them.


If it were my 8 year old child that had been killed in that explosion, I wouldn't care if the Army tore that whole f***ing city down looking for the son of a bitch that did it. My guess is...

You wouldn't either


Which is why the law is in place, so that personal feelings and emotion dont lead to oppression and brutality.

Of course you wouldnt care, neither would I, hell I would even help, but that wouldnt make me right, any more than it made what happened right.

This is the rule of law, not the rule of emotional reactions.

Emotion has no place in law, it is whats best for everyone, not what a greiving victim wants.



Yea emotion should be taken out of it, but these guys aren't robots.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by ivbnu
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I object to the police deciding what is "dangerous" to me. I guess I just don't scare easily. Unless its an scared -snip- cop pointing a automatic rifle at me. They owe nothing to me why should I owe them?
Problem is, its not just about *you*. Its about the good of the community, the society, and the union.

On top of that, did you consider that it was also about the fact that it was dangerous for THEM? And the fact that the more people that were on the street, the danger level would rise exponentially?

I guess I have a hard time grasping why some people have it in their mind that it is a good thing to make things more chaotic and confusing in an already extremely dangerous situation.

edit on 28-4-2013 by captaintyinknots because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:36 PM
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It is about US, individually and collectively. Its called DUE PROCESS and CONSTITUTION.

ROGUE Governments are a dime a dozen. Sleazy garden patch psycho's.

You don't impoverish an area, stop business and freedoms to search for a criminal that is just a ploy to get people to allow a rogue fascist government to save their money by going drones, who kill suspects without trial.

SLEAZEBAGS!!!!!!

I won't be giving my freedom away. Even if I don't do something outrageous during a fascist display of power, it will hit the courts in such a way to ensure those sleazebags and rogue elements are gone, hopefully in jail.

PERIOD.

ROGUE GOVERNMETNS AREN'T LEGAL. Only democratic ones that ensure due process and constitutional rights and common law are legal.
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posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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So where do we place this one? Over the past 12 years there have been 24 "Terrorist" plots thwarted 21 of which the fbi was directly involved. Do we start a catagory of "just missed it". If they can't catch two amatures they are useless and in fact a danger to safety.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by inverslyproportional

Originally posted by Bone75

Originally posted by ivbnu
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Why does everyone act like there was bombs going off everywhere? After the first kid was killed there was no more round fired or bombs set off. Granted they were unaware of wether he was armed or not but it didn't seem to be anymore dangerous than oh say down town chicago where the police don't want to go anymore not that I blame them.


If it were my 8 year old child that had been killed in that explosion, I wouldn't care if the Army tore that whole f***ing city down looking for the son of a bitch that did it. My guess is...

You wouldn't either


Which is why the law is in place, so that personal feelings and emotion dont lead to oppression and brutality.

Of course you wouldnt care, neither would I, hell I would even help, but that wouldnt make me right, any more than it made what happened right.

This is the rule of law, not the rule of emotional reactions.

Emotion has no place in law, it is whats best for everyone, not what a greiving victim wants.


The response to this attack was swift and effective, and above ALL else... no innocent bystanders were harmed in order to catch the guy who did it.


What was our response last time we were attacked? Oh that's right, we leveled 2 countries. Should we have just leveled Chechnya instead?

My hat's off to everyone involved in the response, and thanks for not bombing Chechnya



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:41 PM
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Okay the police are not beholden to the community. The supreme court has ruled that a Leo is under no obligation to protect the community.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by ivbnu
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Okay the police are not beholden to the community. The supreme court has ruled that a Leo is under no obligation to protect the community.


Not saying I agree with it, but you're incorrect.

Police have no legal duty to respond and prevent crime or protect the victim. There have BEEN OVER 10 various supreme and state court cases the individual has never won. Notably, the Supreme Court STATED about the responsibility of police for the security of your family and loved ones is "You, and only you, are responsible for your security and the security of your family and loved ones. That was the essence of a U.S. Supreme Court decision in the early 1980's when they ruled that the police do not have a duty to protect you as an individual, but to protect society as a whole."

www.freerepublic.com...

They have no responsibility to you. Their ONLY responsibility is to society.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by ivbnu
So where do we place this one? Over the past 12 years there have been 24 "Terrorist" plots thwarted 21 of which the fbi was directly involved. Do we start a catagory of "just missed it". If they can't catch two amatures they are useless and in fact a danger to safety.


But they DID catch the two amateurs. One is dead and the other is in our justice system. The fact is they caught them BEFORE they detonated the seven other IEDs that they planned to use in other places, including NYC.

Secondly, these guys are the hardest kind of criminal to catch. They operated alone, they didn't talk about it over the Internet, the younger brother's friends and family had NO indication that he was planning this kind of thing.

As I said, yes, they could have done better. But hindsight is really kind of useless here.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by fairguy

Originally posted by g146541

Originally posted by muse7
What disturbing path is that?

Advising people not to go outside because there is a terrorist on the run willing to do anything to escape?

More than one terrorist, I hear there were several thousand out there.
You could tell them by their uniforms and patches and military weaponry.
You know, the stuff that good law abiding citizens cannot get their hands on...


If the citizens are so law abiding, then why would they want to get their hands on any of that stuff in the first place?

This is real life, this is not Die Hard 2...

For the same reason you were able to answer my post, It is my right!
Why do people always assume criminal activity if you have a full auto?
They are completely legal as long as they were made prior to 1984 I believe and as long as you have paid the extra extortion tax on the gun.
Fair enough?
Die hard 2... Have you ever shot a fully automatic 22???
It is dern fun and totally affordable!



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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The brain dead responses to this thread just show you how much people love authority, and how demoralized they are. God damn the first few responses to this thread almost made me want to throw my monitor out of my window. Seriously? "Well if your do nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about." This is the sort of mentality that will # you in the end.

I have a nice quote to go along with this, and a video.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.





posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Originally posted by Covertblack
They rolled out tanks?


It amazes me that I'm arguing with people who don't know the difference between an armored vehicle and a freaking TANK!



Does it really amaze you, BH?

There are people out there that can't point out their home state on a map, and they vote!

More important, I believe, is whether a civilian under a citywide lockdown is required to be able to identify the military vehicle as a tank, armored personnel carrier, etc in order to be justified in feeling threatened. Are they?



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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Whos society. This isn't standard procedure in our country. This is something thy are trying to introduce and get us used to. I don't want to live in a society where this is normal.
And don't say " if you don't like leave" cause its not like i'm rejecting something "normal". Military police on the streets no matter how scared YOU are isn't benificial to a free society.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:03 PM
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Your country is dividing into those that support and deny this and those that can't quite believe it is happening to them.
Those that support it are just as much responsible for it through their blind adherence to the Corrupt State.

Link below is graphic, that puts together a very interesting aspect of this event and some hidden knowledge.

www.thetruthseeker.co.uk...


Agreed. I hope more people visit the (graphic) link you provided.
Things are amiss here and if people are satisfied with how it all went down from the beginning and are OK with how the police were speaking to and treating the Watertown residents, I really have nothing to add. I wish I'd left the country in 2006 when I was starting to notice the very beginnings of where we are today.
I'm sad that so many people are cheering on the police state. I'm happy that I don't have children. I wouldn't want to bring them into a world where they're going to be expected to bend over for the government and enjoy participating in this grotesque jack boot orgy we see in the photo. Seeing all the people who don't see anything wrong with the manhunt, depresses me more than anything. The smartest people right now are the illegal aliens who are running back to their home countries because they can even see that America is going to be no better than what they were trying to escape.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:06 PM
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Unfortunately we're only as free as our environment allows.

I grew up in a high crime area, Gary, IN. We all should've been able to exercise the same rights as any American but we couldn't without risking our lives.

I couldn't hardly walk down the street in Gary but now I live in the middle of nowhere and I can walk for miles, naked, if I want to. Did we give up rights to stay safe in Gary? Hell yes but the cops didn't force it the criminals did.

We could've blamed the lack of LE but it would've required a police presence that most wouldn't have felt comfortable with. Besides Gary didn't attract the best LEOs so that's always a concern.

This seemingly over the top police presence in Boston is exactly what was needed in Gary everyday. I don't think it's that the police want to take over it's that people demand they do "something." If LE doesn't it makes them look bad, people will sue or flee en masse/property values plummet which is exactly what happened in Gary.

We tried the suburbs but crime was leaking out of Gary. The suburbs were turning into a police state. Lots of cops, cops at the borders, cops everywhere. They were so focused on the criminal element oozing out of Gary they dropped the ball where locals were concerned. White kids ran amok while a black family coming into shop would be surrounded. So the suburbs obviously needed way more cops. It was getting ridiculous.

It would be nice if we could go back to the safe suburbia of old but society isn't the same. Gary had low-life-scum crime pretty easy to identify/avoid but suburbia is getting spoiled-rich-kid-acting-out crime. Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Austin Sigg, Tsarnaev brothers etc. not so easy to identify/combat. These days if you want a safe suburbia eventually you will be living in a police state. Sad but true.

Violent crime used to be exclusive to inner cities but it's coming to a neighborhood near you and the police state mentality that follows is asked for/begged for by community members. How safe do you want to be?

Some people have been so protected for so long in suburbia they aren't streetwise, they need/want protection. If you don't like living that way, we didn't, you're going to have to move to the middle of effing nowhere! It's the "not so" brave new world.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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This isn't standard procedure in our country. This is something thy are trying to introduce and get us used to. I don't want to live in a society where this is normal.

People who are happy about this should send thank you cards to the music "artists" who produced videos showing a police state as well as MTV and their commercials depicting the same thing.
These people aren't stupid. They knew to get the children desensitized to this through the use of TV and entertainment a long time ago.
Here's a few examples of this programming from the Vigilant Citizen's website:
vigilantcitizen.com...
vigilantcitizen.com...
The following article is one of the best on this topic:
vigilantcitizen.com...



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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No it wasn't needed in Gary everyday for Gary would have no one living there, all shops closed, no INCOME coming in. Do you really think that moms wont be visiting their grown kids, or their mothers, that people would give away their rights under a fascist element no matter what the crime rate?

FASCISM and Rogue governments are never the solution.

Nor could the economy support this.

This isn't their solution, they need economy too. This is a temporary stop gap thing to try and make people desperate enough to save tehir businesses to start demanding DRONES.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by ivbnu
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Whos society. This isn't standard procedure in our country. This is something thy are trying to introduce and get us used to. I don't want to live in a society where this is normal.
And don't say " if you don't like leave" cause its not like i'm rejecting something "normal". Military police on the streets no matter how scared YOU are isn't benificial to a free society.


Whether you like it or not, we are in the middle of a holy war that has been waged upon us by radical islamists. It was an act of war and it was DEALT WITH by the proper authorities.



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