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The rise of the Fourth Reich - personal insights

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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:26 PM

I put this in this forum because it contains personal experiences and perspectives, and I felt that was most appropriate here. If a mod feels that it belongs in another forum, please feel free to move it.

Every day I see more and more events and attitudes that scare me immensely. Seeing these attitudes and viewpoints and how they are being defended saddens me in a very profound way, and on a personal level.

My grandmother came to the United States with my mother in 1950. For the entirety of my life, and the greater part of my mother's adult life, my grandmother has resided in a mental institution. At one time, over 25 years ago, before she needed to be heavily medicated, my grandmother related stories and information about her personal history and experiences to my mother and I.

I finally get it.

I see the life that my grandmother lived, and understand the realizations she came to that shattered her ability to maintain a connection to reality. I see the catalysts of her uncontrollable anger, and the building blocks that were rooted in self righteous beliefs and savior mentality that became the bars of her mental prison. I have had more than 25 years to try and understand and now, finally, I do.

I understand her anger, her sadness and her shame. I finally see what fueled the ravings of a broken and angry woman, and it distresses me to see the arrogance, ignorance and mentalities my grandmother warned me against manifesting before my very eyes.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it ~ George Santayana

The most effective weapon currently being used against us, and for the implementation of laws that limit our freedoms is a simple phrase:

"For the protection and sake of the children"

I have chosen to share some personal history, and insights. I am hoping that in doing so I will open the eyes of a few posters on how dangerous the defense of their viewpoint really is, and although many may find the alternative viewpoints barbaric, I feel that it is important to bring to light how these viewpoints and attitudes were exploited in the past, and used to defend actions that led to historical atrocities.

It is only recently that I have been able to piece together some of the things that my grandmother said to us, and begin to understand what it was that shattered my grandmother's mind, and lead to her eventual mental breakdown. She made herself a prisoner of her own mind for the atrocities that she committed defending a belief that led to the attempted extermination of others who held a different religious viewpoint, a different ethnic background and for the sake of "Saving the Children".

It isn't a pretty story to say the least, and some of the details are not ones that are easily shared, and certainly nothing to be proud of. However, as I see what is happening today in America, the attitudes, proliferation, acceptance and defense of these things in the name of "saving the children" I feel compelled to relate these details in the hopes that people will open their eyes to the realization that we are indeed heading towards repeating a very dark area of history if we continue to defend certain points of view.

My mother was born in Germany in what my grandmother described as a "concentration camp" where she was studying to be a doctor. My mother's father is said to have been a young Nazi Officer in that "camp". From other details that my grandmother has been able to provide of the atrocities that she witnessed, and apparently took part in, which I believe ultimately lead to her breakdown, the year of my mother's birth, and the area in which my mother was born I was able to determine that there is a very high likelihood that my mother was in fact born in a Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte facility and that the general who's wife assisted my grandmother in escaping that facility was this man. (I apologize that the links are from Wikipedia, but they are the only ones available to help bring the history of what happened in these places to light.)

My mother was born prior to the implementation of the Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte sites which were formally established in 1943. It is my understanding from my grandmother that these locations were originally established for the protection and safety of the women and children, and to ensure that the women and children got "necessary" medical attention, and were specifically designed for foreign (read immigrant) children, but it was not limited to them.

I mention this specifically because there are certain attitudes regarding them that are rising that were catalysts to the original basis formation of the Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte sites that I see happening today, specifically in this thread .

We must not forget history, and we must educate ourselves about it and compare it to current events and the attitudes that are proliferating at an amazing rate.

We must compare our definitions of "socially acceptable behavior" and the role of social service agencies (most especially in regards to views on vaccination and mainstream medical treatment) to Gleichschaltung

Among the goals of this policy were to bring about adherence to a specific doctrine and way of thinking and to control as many aspects of life as possible.

We must compare our Patriot act to Article_48_(Weimar_Constitution)

allowed the President, under certain circumstances, to take emergency measures...

This power was understood to include the promulgation of "emergency decrees"

The text of the Article did not precisely define the kind of emergency that would justify its usage, and did not expressly give the President the power to enact, issue or otherwise promulgate legislation. However, such an inherent Presidential legislative power is fairly to be implied

and Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich (English: "Law to Remedy the Distress of People and Reich").

We need to compare what happened in Boston to The Reichstag fire

the most monstrous act of terrorism carried out by Bolshevism in Germany

Because what happens next may very well be reminiscent of The Reichstag Fire Decree:

It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of (opinion) expression, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

We have replaced Jews with Muslims, Gypsies with (most notably) Mexican Immigrants, and this guy is sounding more and more like Hitler did right before he took power.

Are you scared yet?

I am.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:33 PM
Mate, you're only scared because your paranoid.

And what was that about your grandmother in a mental institution. My grandmother said "what runs in the parents, runs in the children...".

But it's just a thought ? Seemed obvious to me.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:37 PM

Originally posted by MadMax7
Mate, you're only scared because your paranoid.

Paranoid........... if there's nothing to be paranoid about?

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:40 PM
reply to post by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh

I would give you one hundred stars and flags if I could!!!!!!!

Bravo to you for being able to see into the past, (history) and realize that all of the same games are now being used against us in a MUCH MORE sinister manner!!! History repeats itself! FACT!

Don't mind the naysayers whom I have seen already made negative comments! Because it is the likes of them whom will be scrambling like rats when they realize that they are the next group to experience a mass extermination!
edit on 27-4-2013 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:40 PM
No. To try and compare the modern US to Nazi Gemany is a waste of time. Picking and choosing a few things here and their that seem first glance to be similar does not erase the fact that millions of things are completely different.

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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:43 PM
reply to post by MrSpad

No. To try and compare the modern US to Nazi Gemany is a waste of time. Picking and choosing a few things here and their that seem first glance to be similar does not erase the fact that millions of things are completely different.


I am sure all of those people whom were murdered under Hitler thought EXACTLY the same way you do! How brain dead can you be to say there ARE similarities, but then turn around and say they don't exist!

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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:02 PM

Originally posted by MadMax7
Mate, you're only scared because your paranoid.

And what was that about your grandmother in a mental institution. My grandmother said "what runs in the parents, runs in the children...".

But it's just a thought ? Seemed obvious to me.

And you drew the conclusion that I am paranoid based on my mention of my grandmother in a mental institution?

Apparently you missed the part about me also mentioning that my grandmother participated in atrocities, and defended the mindset that led to them? Let's modern terms she is in a mental hospital because she has PTSD and, by many standards would be considered a war criminal for acts that she may have participated in. She was studying to be a doctor in a Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte facility.

Ausländerkinder-Pflegestätte (State Care for Foreign Children), also Säuglingsheim, Entbindungsheim, were Third Reich institutions where babies and children, abducted from Eastern European forced laborers from 1943 to 1945, were kept.

The mortality of the babies was very high, sometimes over 50%. It is estimated that 100,000 - 200,000 babies died in these institutions.

The aim of the project was to acquire and "Germanize" children with purportedly Aryan traits who were considered by Nazi officials to be descendants of German settlers who had emigrated to Poland. Those labeled "racially valuable" were forcibly Germanized in special centers and then sent to German families and SS Home Schools.[4] In the case of older children used as forced labor in Germany those determined to be racially un-"German" were sent to extermination camps and concentration camps, where they were either to be murdered or forced to serve as living test subjects in German medical experiments and thus often tortured or killed in the process.


Apparently you didn't check the links that I provided to see why she may have "lost her mind".

I wonder what conclusion you would come to once you come to the realization that I have Nazi blood in my veins?

I am as likely to be paranoid as I am to be a mass murderer.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:08 PM
reply to post by seeker1963

Thank you.

It's not so much that I can see into the past, but that I have been told about the past by someone who lived it and warned not to embrace ideals that would allow it to be repeated.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:24 PM
S+F straight off

This is a unusually insightful post, while there certainly are differences between what happened in Germany and what is happening in America now, the overall drift is most certainly in the same direction.

most if not all countries at the moment are heading for dark places but no other western nation seems to be heading so quickly for something so dark.

Please keep talking about this, this is very much the elephant in the room. It is important that this is discussed and as many people as possible become aware of this

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:24 PM
Thank you for posting this thread. It is very well presented, and the topic is one that is still hard to accept for some.

To see that you dug deeper into your Grandmother's history and the possible causes for her anger, etc. is commendable on its own.
To share it is a bonus for us. Hard lessons that keep returning.
(I don't know about the Biden thing, but the history part I got)

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:30 PM
Brilliantly explained.
I guess we will never learn.

All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:31 PM

Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh

I wonder what conclusion you would come to once you come to the realization that I have Nazi blood in my veins?

I had family members who were Nazi also, they were no more foolish than the average American. The arrogant belief that this could never happen again is incredibly dangerous.

Originally posted by MadMax7
My grandmother said "what runs in the parents, runs in the children...".

While I normally don't like such generalities, MadMax7 in your case this may be true.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:32 PM
Thank you for sharing your personal story. My father came to this country in 1950 as well, and then brought his mother over a few years later. He was but a small boy when war broke out in 1939, and they fled their village in the Banat region (now Serbia) and ran to Austria. The Third Reich followed, of course.

I remember my grandmother telling me stories, how she hated what the Nazis did, and the ugliness they had to witness while they were fleeing. PTSD followed both of them their entire lives, and my father had an abnormal fear of being hungry and of being defenseless, so he always had a great deal of food stored up, and a ton of weapons.

He is long gone now, but he predicted many of the things that are now occuring. It was easy for him to predict this because people never seem to learn, and are so easy to be manipulated.

I think, had we not imported the Third Reich to this country via Operation Paperclip, we may not have won the Space Race, but perhaps we wouldn't be following in their footsteps, either.

People who were born in this country, and who's family has been here for many generations, do not see the problem like those of us who were raised with horror stories of deprivation, refugees, war, prison camps, and suffering because everything fell apart thanks to something that began as "protection of the children".

I can see it, plain as day. If other people cannot, that is the curse of not having the ability to see disaster as it is forming in front of their eyes. Even the most evil of poison ivys starts as a harmless little green shoot.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 06:22 PM
Honestly, I have often thought of this myself and have even read Mein Kampf in order to understand and compare similarities of events leading up to the atrocities with what is happening today. Worrying, there are quite a few similarities which have already been implied in your post.

The book is of course banned in many western states; I understand why however, at the same time it does provide a snapshot into the mind state of a mad man who was able to conspire against, manipulate and corrupt an entire nation. I believe there are some serious lessons to be learned from this book.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 06:29 PM
reply to post by MrSpad

The differences are getting smaller everyday! Militarism, economy, loss of freedom all remind me of Nazi Germany! When the US brought Nazi scientists after WWII in Operation Paperclip, I believe we imported Nazi-ism here. But it may have been here earlier because some major US companies were supporting the Nazis before and during the war. The fascist socialist mindset has become deeply embedded in the US political-corporate-education-monetary system!

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 06:34 PM
I have two unprovable insights of my own.

My father was based in Essen in Germany on an UK army base, when I was less than 3yrs. I remember one day from that period when I had gone to the Nursery. I have no idea why but something must have happened to me, on that day for me to remember it.

Later I found out that many army children posted in Germany have MLKUltra experiments done on them, to see if they are psychic-I am.
It was James Casbolt aka Michael Prince that finally put the pieces together for me.

Second insight- This is from a crop circle-I was skeptical of crop circles but after the one I tested I believe they warranted a second look.
It is called the Angel of Death crop circle. I counted the wings feathers and they seem to be pointing to a solar eclipse where the total area of darkness went over the Antartica. That crop circle was on Magog Gog Hill in Cambridgeshire.
And the Nazi Fourth Reich are supposed to be in an underground base in Antartica.

That sort of clinched it for me.

I've broken my programming with much help in my life. I gave my heart to God at 5yrs and He gave me, me back.
And I know I am still being monitored, so I will give them a warning I dreamt about 14,000 recently-I looked it up; it means double doom for your sins or double recompense for what you had lost.

So double doom is coming for them. Soon.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 06:35 PM
S&F and a Thank You for sharing your pain and concerns for what is planned. Your "paranoia" is well-deserved. My paternal grandparents immigrated to the US from Germany, just prior to Hitler's rise to power. As a youngster, it was pounded into my head that my grandfather was a cousin to Kaiser Wilhelm II, as though it was something to be proud of. I was later told by my uncle that it was a family joke. What wasn't a joke was knowing a Jewish family who'd been able to escape the concentration camps and my father who thought it was "cute" to give the "Sieg Heil" Nazi salute. Furthermore, I was exposed to a lot of those old black & white tv movies showing the Nazi atrocities at an early age. None of those things are good childhood memories for me. Yes, I too truly fear for what is planned for humanity and the paths that are leading us there, incrementally.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 06:51 PM
Millions of us would like you not to worry,We stand by our flag/you and we are a little bit better than the current model of govt employee.They do have to shoot first however.

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 08:08 PM

Originally posted by MrSpad
No. To try and compare the modern US to Nazi Gemany is a waste of time. Picking and choosing a few things here and their that seem first glance to be similar does not erase the fact that millions of things are completely different.

Are you new to ATS?

One of ATS's esteemed contributors and authors, Jim Marrs, has laid out the case, with much documentation on how that exact thing is happening to the US and Western society in general in his famous book "The Rise of the Fourth Reich". Anyone who is familiar with this book could not deny this is happening. You need to get your head out of the sand and do your homework, and stop watching CNN or any MSM.

Here is a thread on his book:

And here is his forum on ATS:

You never answered the question why someone who doesn't believe in any conspiracies is on ATS, or are there some conspiracies you believe in?

posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 08:41 PM
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

Thank you for your links, I wasn't aware of them at all (and I have been around for a while!).

My grandmother warned me to avoid attitudes of superiority, racism and false judgement. She once named these things as "the three witnesses to the rise of the beast" (she was a reformed catholic). More and more her disconnected rantings are making sense.

I cannot help but feel saddened as a greater number of her statements seem to be ringing true.

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