Originally posted by azdaze
There are so many perspectives to look at with the illegal/undocumented immigration issue that it really does seem like an exercise in futility. Every
possible scenario and solution only raises a whole new set of questions and issues.I could sit here and type my perspective and suggestions but does
it really matter? Those that are pro-amnesty will more than likely remain that way, and those in opposition will remain so too. I enjoy reading ATS
for the vast amount of information available, but to debate endlessly makes no sense to me.
I respect your opinion but I must disagree (as ironic as that may be.) I do not see this as a complex subject. I have known a number of intelligent
Americans online to describe the subject as "complex" and I still fail to see why. In my view, it is largely considered "complex" because there is
a push by the mainstream media (working in favor of the corporate elite) to brand those against illegal immigration as racist. The judgment goes as
Against illegal immigration = against all immigration = racist
That is quite a leap. But largely people are afraid to speak against it, even if they see it as a huge problem, for this reason. As for varying
perspectives, there will be varying perspectives on literally every topic one can imagine. There was a discussion on ATS recently where people
actually discussed whether or not a cult sacrificing a child (believing it to be the anti-Christ) was a good thing or not! You name it, even child
sacrifice, and there will be opposing views. As this subject encompasses so many people, organizations, political standings, religious perspectives
and business interests, of course it is going to pull a lot more people into the subject than normal and thus we will see a lot more opinions than
normal. The situation and understanding the right or wrong of it however is not complicated at all.
the corporate elite want more for themselves and less for everyone else. Globalization is allowing for a centralization of
wealth and power into the hands of the few, taking jobs to foreign countries for slave wages and bringing in cheap products more cheaply. Our national
leaders have signed us onto an agreement in secret (the Investor Trade
(as part of the Trans Pacific Partnership,) which allows for foreign corporations to bypass our national laws by appealing national
court decisions (even at the Supreme Court level) to an international tribunal which sides in favor of the corporations 90% of the time. This all
ready exists for us in the NAFTA agreement (between Canada and the United States.) Corporations are literally rising above our national laws and are
receiving legal protection (as they are treated as "persons" with the rights of a person, but few of the responsibilities.)
the corporate elite want employers working in the United States to work harder for less, no matter what their financial
situations or health problems. They don't care.
So, they start hiring illegal immigrants, paying them less and working them harder. These are
mostly Mexicans, as they don't have that far to travel, and as their money is worth less they will gain significantly by taking American jobs. The
corporate elite control the mainstream media and use it as propaganda to convince the people that being anti-illegal is wrong (as I explained above.)
Lobbyists talk (money sure does talk) to corrupt politicians and get them on board (and few would say no anyway (the last president who stood against
them was assassinated two weeks after making a public speech about this "monolithic" power network.) Hence, the story for the American people is:
these illegal immigrants are poor refugees and not criminals who are stealing people's ID's and just taking advantage of the situation. Anyone who
says otherwise is to be branded racist.
Right from wrong:
as if it isn't self-apparent by the facts as I've laid them out, it is wrong to break into someone else's country, to take
their jobs because their money is worth more, even though many of their citizens are struggling to find work and tent cities are popping up. It is
also wrong to insist on speaking your own language and to ask for people in that country to learn to speak your language. It is wrong to pay for their
children's ID's to use for your own interests. It is wrong, period, to break into someone else's country and to break their laws. It is also wrong
to protect this criminality, to endorse it or to defend it, because it is wrong.
I do not mean any offense to you or to anyone else in saying this. I am merely pointing out the obvious, and the important facts of the situation.
Once you get it, you see that it is not “complex” at all.