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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 11:54 AM
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Those walls and gun towers....they would eventually be used to keep you in, not keep "them" out.

History repeats itself.




posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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Blue Scholars:Lumière Its a song
Take these advice, Philosophy

Hype performin', night to mornin'
There's no time but it's nice to warn 'em
Postmortem we don't mourn 'em
We go forth but no we don't force it
New leak from the the office faucet
And all last week the response is awesome
Goes off when a pro goes on
And it's been that way since back before college
Just Geo and no longer logic
Still marchin', still evolvin'
Still revolvin' around
Don't stop till we sovereign
Whatever you call it
Locked in thought like a Filipino watchin'
Boxin', every so often
Peace to the fallen
Here's to the hope that the beats that I'm rockin'
Is reachin' your coffin

Ooohh...
Yup, that's my daily routine
Glide through the motions
Ridin', coastin'
Ooohh...
Then I burn one slow
Feedback need that
Let it all go

Sunsets in the south land
Right next to the mountains
And a light hits (the puget) sound
Bright for a minute then it's time for the clouds
Then it leaks somehow
Time of the day when the freaks come out
'Till it comes back east
Say peace cause we need some now
Please don't bow
Ain't an encore after
Show you how if you ask 'em how to hold down, hold towns
Like a nat disaster
Slow down was the last example
Kill 'em, chillin' in my b-boy stanza
And use your bastards for target practice
Y'all trend set watch a brother transcend this madness
Catchin' damn this trap

Ooohh...
Yup, that's my daily routine
Glide through the motions
Ridin', coastin'
Ooohh...
Then I burn one slow
Feedback need that
Let it all go

Now, clap once if you see me
Clap twice if you hear me
Three times if you feel me
Whether your hands are artillery
Now, clap once if you see me
Clap twice if you hear me
Three times if you feel me
Whether your hands are artillery, now



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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"Ship em back!, "Put land mines on the border!" "Put snipers along the border!"

Is this really how most of you think about FELLOW human beings that are just following their instincts to seek a better life for their family?

What a shame.

No wonder our race will most likely become extinct in the next few thousand years.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Yeah, I went there.

Illegal aliens. "Undocumented Individuals".


We sure do have an issue about it in America. Well, I have a solution that'll irritate the snot out of EVERYONE!

Beezzer's Solution to Illegal Aliens

1. Complete amnesty.
-WTF? Yes. Complete amnesty. For everyone. *ta-daaa!*

BUT!

2. Since they came illegally, treat them as felons. No voting rights. No rights to own a firearm. Can't serve on a jury.


Anyway, just a random or not so random thought to kick off a Friday!



Stupid. Not only that, but this country is too far gone for this. I say it's stupid because it's not our country to begin with. Who the heck are we to make rules in somebody else's house? Especially when we we're even invited -__-

Never and I mean NEVER forget your roots.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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And your forebears entered what you know call America 'legally' ?

They entered a land already occupied and took what they want, when they wanted?

Ok, I don't know your specific history but you get the picture I'm painting for the multi generational Americans



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 03:30 PM
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Easy to have that attitude when you were born in the 1st world.

The same hicks that complain about jobs being shipped overseas and high unemployment in the U.S. have no sympathy for people born into economies wherein it is orders of magnitude more difficult to get an eduction, a good job (or any job for that matter) and provide for your family.

I hope you're not a Christian because your comments make a complete mockery of Christ's message.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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So will the illegal Americans’ get amnesty as well, or you’re not going back that far.

Really not understanding this subliminal racist threads of yours, but I guess you can get away with it because you have been here for a while.

What is illegal ? Americans didn’t make this land or any other land on this planet, this is Gods planet and Gods land, who the F*** are you to say what you think when it comes to what god wants OR HUMANS who need to better ones life.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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Let's say every illegal is granted amnesty...

With the influx of an estimated 11 million illegal immigrants becoming legal citizens... How many jobs will be lost? How many jobs will be created?

Will our deteriorating infrastructure be able to support the 11 million newly legal citizens + the family members that will migrate over the border?

If every illegal is granted amnesty, will it stop there? Will every 3rd world citizen seek American citizenship?

As I stated in a previous post, the world is nothing more than a place with UNLIMITED wants/desires with only a LIMITED amount of resources.

This country needs to take care of it's own before taking care of others.

How can you let our FELLOW CITIZENS who are HUMAN BEINGS stay on streets? How can you let our FELLOW CHILDREN grow up hungry without education? These two questions are in regards to America... Why aren't you helping them? They need as much help as those living south of the border...



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:18 PM
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so what about mexico? should americans just go there and get free healthcare, free monthly money, and free housing because i could use some beachfront property. oh and by the way i'm part spanish, french, native american english, scottish, irish and german so if you call me racist, which one? also are illegal immigrants willing to work for food like i am? i mean me being spanish i can put the idea that instead of land mines and sniper towers, you need machine gun towers with twin browning .50 cal heavy machine guns. and why not treat them like the coke world treats them? you know, hanging by the neck, bowels hanging down, dead chickens stuffed in the ribcage. obviously they don't want to change so lets keep the jail manners at the border. i mean what other countries grant people citizenship for beating their wives? just america.
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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by IamJewish
reply to post by beezzer
 

So will the illegal Americans’ get amnesty as well, or you’re not going back that far.

Really not understanding this subliminal racist threads of yours, but I guess you can get away with it because you have been here for a while.

What is illegal ? Americans didn’t make this land or any other land on this planet, this is Gods planet and Gods land, who the F*** are you to say what you think when it comes to what god wants OR HUMANS who need to better ones life.




I don't understand how this thread is racist. How is every thread about illegal immigrants racist?

Fact of the matter is, the world is a place of UNLIMITED want/desires with only a LIMITED amount of resources.

Every time you turn the television on, you are using resources.

Every time you decide to drive to the movies, you are using resources.

Every time you take a hot bath, you are using resources.

Every time you are using a resource, you are making their life worse.

You should practice what you preach.

The Colorado river has already been drying up at a rapid pace since 5 southwest states are using its water for their citizens. The Hoover Dam Reservoir has gone down about 100ft since the early 90's. A major influx of immigrants + the growing population of Americans already living in the states will create dire consequences in the next decade if current behaviors don't change.
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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:17 PM
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Then I assume you would be okay with the government restricting everyone to only one child per family -- to save on the limited resources of course.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Everyone talks about how horrible the US citizens are to the illegal immigrants. The President of Mexico wants us to do away with out immigration laws and let whoever come here whenever. Guess what the penalty for an 'illegal immigrant' in Mexico is. I'm not going to tell you, you can look it up yourself.
The simple fact is, they are not citizens of this country anymore than I am a citizen of Mexico. If I crossed the border to Mexico I would be subject to the laws of that country and believe me I wouldn't try that system at all because they don't do amnesty. If their country is crappy, then it is up to them to change it. It is not up to me or our politicians to ignore the laws of our country for new voters. Go home and fix your own country, do not invade mine.
I was a roofer for many years, and I repeatedly lost my job because people, who were in this country illegally, would work for half what I was getting paid. Some were damn hard workers and wanted to find a way to become a citizen of the US, but they were still criminals because they broke the law to get here. None paid taxes, yet they were getting food stamps, home loans, and services I couldn't get because they were sucking it all up. I have friends who are barely keeping afloat, yet in my town, if your not brown you can forget about getting any help whatsoever. I found this out the hard way. When my wife became disabled and we were barely surviving on less than $150 a week, somehow or another I wasn't eligible for aid. There were illegals working a few towns over, making $20/hr and getting food stamps, TANF, cash assistance, and every other form of 'welfare ' you can name. Hmmmm, there is a problem with this picture.
I'm not a racist or a bigot or whatever other name you want to call me, but I'm tired of supporting some third world jackwipe who decided that they are not obligated to follow our laws. I don't care if they are Mexican, Canadian, Chinese, or Scandinavian, if they broke the law to get here they need to be unceremoniously tossed out on their ear. If their country doesn't want them back, put them on a raft 150 miles out with a weeks supply of food and set them adrift. I have NO sympathy for those that think they are entitled to something in a country other than their own. Yes, I'm a real bastard. Deal with it.
Oh and I was born here, my parents were born here, my grandparents were born here. I know that my family immigrated here, but they did it legally. I demand the same from everyone who comes here. Legal or go away.

Peace



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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I thought this was true of legal immigrants or non citizens


No voting rights. No rights to own a firearm. Can't serve on a jury.

I'm a legal immigrant and can't do any of the above. Not sure about the firearm though, haven't tried.
I have resident status in Canada. I'm not a Canadian citizen. Quite often though if I'm at a notary, medical or tax office, etc, they put me down as a citizen without ever asking if I am. They just assume. One notary even made out an affidavit stating I am a citizen. What if I was a terrorist trying to get into the states? She just assumed and I didn't notice I had this affidavit until this year going through my files. I can't get into the states until I get my PR card or passport updated, but I suppose I could use this fake document. Maybe get a firearm while I'm at it. I wouldn't though because it isn't worth being caught doing that. I just think it was sloppy on her part, especially when she was using my old British passport as a piece of ID.

Anyways its up to you if you don't like immigrants. What's wrong with them exactly? I just don't understand any north American being against them when every single one of you, unless you are Native Indian, have ancestry from other nations. Is it ok if great grandfather wasn't born here and came here to settle?



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 07:53 PM
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I love seeing all the Right Wing "solutions" to illegal immigration.

Almost all of them have done a turn around on the issue and now have given in that mass deportation is not realistic and that if they don't get rid of the immigration issue they are never going to win the Presidency again.

But they still hate "illegals"...so the "solutions" are still insulting like the one the OP has given.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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Wow, finally someone with some common sense. I have always held a similar view. I am relatively liberal in my political leanings, although it really depends on the issue, even though I rarely agree with conservatives. Anyway, this whole argument about illegal aliens seems simple to me. It is right there in the title, "illegal." IF someone wants to come to America and experience its benefits, they should do it legally. My uncle worked overseas for a few years, and he met a woman and brought her over on a temporary visa and married her. They left the country again, and the paperwork was in the works to get her citizenship.

There were many hoops they had to jump through, and the process was by no means easy, but it was LEGAL. It is always those who do things the legal way, the right way, who suffer. Those who wish to do things the illegal way, the easier way, should NOT be entitled to the same things as those who do things the right, the legal, way. How can anyone disagree with that statement? It blows my mind. Most immigrants come from Mexico. I do not have a problem with immigration, but think about this: WHY would Americans want people to come to their country who have shown by their actions that they have no respect for our laws?

US laws prevail in America, and if someone wants to be an American, or live in America, they MUST abide by OUR rules and laws. Coming here illegally just shows that they do not respect our laws, and they do not deserve to be here in the first place. Many of these immigrants come here to make money, plain and simple, but why should those who do things legally have to suffer because these people want to come here and work illegally, which just hurts our system. Especially when they are allowed to get benefits paid for by legal residents. THAT pisses me off.

And even if the argument was made that they do not put a drain on our economy, that is beside the point. They are still breaking the law, they are here illegally, and they should be prosecuted and deported. And the Mexican government should lock them up back in Mexico. And if that government does not want to cooperate, take all this money that is being spent on overseas wars and put soldiers along the border. Maybe our immigration laws are not strict enough. Maybe we should make them stricter, so people will get the idea. Maybe illegal immigration should be considered espionage, since we do not know who is coming through these borders, and those patrolling the borders should be given the option of shooting those who immigrating illegally. I say this because our current laws obviously are not enough to deter illegal immigration, and there could be terrorists immigrating illegally for all we know. I'm sure there are.

My point is that there is absolutely NO reason that anyone should support ILLEGAL immigration. I am all for legal immigration, but illegal aliens are criminals, plain and simple, and they should be treated as such. Does it really matter why they are coming here illegally? It shouldn't. Does it matter WHY that robber knocked over that bank? NOPE.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 08:58 PM
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If current trends continue, maybe yes. If stricter regulations regarding our use of resources comes into effect, maybe not.

What people don't understand is that the human race is still in the food chain.

This is the way the circle of life works...

1) Population of a species expands. 2) Fight for resources/food occur. 3) Resources become scarce. 4) Population of species decreases and/or relocates 5) Resources become plentiful. 6) Population of a species expands.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 09:29 PM
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Why do people keep bringing up the Native Americans? Don't you people realize that natives also fought amongst themselves for food and land?????

For those wanting open borders...This means that any pedophile, murderer, rapist, thief etc can just waltz on over and that is ok with you???? No health or background check is fine with you?

For those who keep bringing up that illegals only do the jobs that Americans won't....That is a myth. Do you really think that 'millions' of illegals are all working in the fields? Do you really think that a family will refuse any kind of work if it means their survival???

As for amnesty...no one should be rewarded for breaking the law. We don't let bank robbers keep the money because they are poor do we? Do we or do we not have laws? Are the laws for everyone except illegals? Why are they more important than those coming here through the proper channels, who have paid their dues and are waiting their time? Why are illegals on a pedestal, above the law and placed ahead of the line?

Illegals are not the only poor people. We have plenty of our own poor people who are struggling and suffering.

This amnesty will allow illegals to stay here and continue working. With millions of unemployed citizens, this is an insult and slap in the face.
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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 09:58 PM
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Legal immigration should remain the same. Illegal immigration should be dealt with. Grant a type of amnesty but limit the rights allowed by punishing those who came here illegally with a denial to 1)vote, 2)own a firearm, 3)any other punitive measures reserved towards ex-felons.


So you’re saying that you would grant amnesty right now for those who the government would grant it to? All others are rejected, period? Do you believe that those who wouldn’t qualify should be arrested and deported then? And you do realize that those illegals who stay (legally or not) will keep demanding more and more, as they have been. If they are given any form of amnesty they will demand full rights. If they have to pay taxes, they will be outraged not to receive full rights.


Legal, punitive measures should be taken if someone breaks the law. Granting a form of amnesty would be the only allowance I would assume, anything else gets punished.


I think that, as citizens found out that their ID’s were stolen, or children’s ID’s, there will be a lot of outrage at the lack of justice. God knows what’s been done in some citizens’ names. But this says that breaking the law is OK sometimes.


They are here now, in our communities now. I would like to think that most don't break the law on a continued basis.


I’m sure you would, but it’s no different than letting a bunch of criminals out of prison and saying: “we’re giving you all a second chance and we hope you won’t continue to break the law.” Also, you talk about them as if they’re part of the community. Many of them refuse to speak much English and expect English-speaking citizens to learn to speak Spanish. They demand more and more for themselves, when they deserve nothing, as they are criminals. They pocket money and return home with their earnings (as American money is worth more.) I’m sorry but it seems to me that your view on the subject is rather idealized.


Anyone who breaks the law (after amnesty) should be punished. All previous laws should be followed.


Basically it’s the "we all just forget the whole thing like it never happened and move happily on" sort of deal. I fail to see how these illegals will learn to respect the law after being rewarded for breaking it. Also, how do you intend to stop continued illegal immigration? The Obama Administration keeps supporting them and pushing for them to be protected from laws which American citizens are bound to. I would also think that rewarding some amnesty and then slamming the law down on the rest would create a lot of anger from those who do not make it. Those who receive amnesty will fight on and on for all their friends and relatives to receive it as well.


Legal immigrants gets all rights afforded to them.

Illegal immigrants get limited rights, the same as anyone who was released from prison after committing a crime.


This responds only to the legal immigrants who have been allowed into the U.S., not to those who have been waiting for years to get into the U.S. lawfully while they see so many thousands (millions, actually) breaking into the U.S., stealing citizens’ ID’s, breaking all the rules and are then rewarded for this behavior. It would only invite more of the same treatment of American laws. It is the same logic for why a leadership should never give into terrorist demands (because once you do, more will come.) Decisions carry messages with them. A good leader makes the tough decisions.

Illegal Immigrants may have ‘limited rights’ in some respects, but they also get free medical, free legal representation if they need it, they do not pay taxes and they can break the law so long as it not with violence crimes. It is basically like allowing the Wild Wild West into modern day America. I see no logic in this at all.

If thousands or millions of illegals are given amnesty, what of all the homeless Americans and struggling working class families who are falling into poverty? I can look and look at the situation in the U.S. and I am not seeing where these jobs will come from or how any of this could possibly work.

I think that big corporate interests rule supreme these days and lobbyists slant political views, as mainstream media does to the people, so that everyone feels that it is good to be pro-illegal and bad to be anti-illegal, when the facts actually paint the opposite picture. There is right and wrong and I am amazed at how many people will choose the popular view of ‘good’ over what is actually right. Breaking the law and demanding for one’s self as much as one can get for one’s self to the detriment of law-abiding citizens who are struggling to survive is not right. The law would agree with me.
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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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What is Illegal Alien?

God made no Illegal Aliens.

Did the Devil make them?

How are they different from the rest of the humans?

Do they bleed blue blood?

How can you tell if someone is an Illegal Alien?

Do they carry some kind of mark on their bodies?

Whose word are we to take that any particular person is an Illegal Alien?

If a man runs across the border, into the United States, and you stop him. And he says, I belong here, this is my country. Who shall doubt him, and deny him the right to walk free on this land?

If you stop any man, and question him, and say to him, show me proof that you belong here. And he says, my house burned down in the fire, and the tornado swept away all my belongings. I'm survived by by skin and my shirt and my trousers alone, but I do belong here. Who shall doubt any man that lacks papers to prove he has right to walk this land?

So then if you stop any man, and question him, and say to him, you believe he is an Illegal Alien, and he denies this, but counters you, that you are Illegal Alien. Who shall be determined to be right? How is this Illegal Alien classification decided?

So you say to the man, me and by brothers, and my friends, all belive you to be Illegal Alien. And he counters, that he and his brothers, and his friends know he is not, but belive in turn that you are, who shall be right?

If the testimony of some men can set the identity of any other man, then what is the identity of that man which hath two different groups claiming opposite identities for the same man?



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 10:45 PM
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I am not sure where you are located in the Country, But, immigrants are the ones who take the least desirable jobs around here. I am in Ohio near the Indiana border. Allot of those jobs are in the agriculture industry. Dairy farms, Chicken Farms, Egg Farms, Turkey Farms, and Tomato Farms. Of course there is also allot of back breaking labor such as Ditch Maintenance, General Farm Labor and Construction. There are a TON of these jobs around here. They are ALWAYS hiring. It is NOT a Myth. It is Factual.

Come to the area I mentioned and you will have work within your first day of looking. I GUARANTEE It.
There are so many available jobs its unbelievable. I see the jobless rate and I think that there are ALLOT of Lazy people out there collecting benefits in one shape or form.

I have talked to people that are collecting Unemployment Benefits. On the average they have been collecting benefits for around 2 years. Everyone of those individuals have NO Intentions what so ever of looking for work. They are getting a check and they Believe that the government OWES it to them. Now, you tell me what motivation you would have to work when you are getting FREE Money for having to do Absolutely Nothing. It makes me Absolutely Made As Hell.

The sense of Entitlement that society has is freaking Pathetic at best.

I am willing to Bet Money that I could even come to your area and get a job in the same day. There are jobs everywhere. The general Public is NOT Applying. Primarily because they are receiving benefits of one type or another.

I do however agree with you that Amnesty should Not be offered, but keep in mind that if they do offer Amnesty that there is a provision that states that those coming out of the shadows to be recognized will receive a Green Card, but be banned from the U.S. for 10 years. If Just 50 Percent of the 11 Million accept that offer that means that there will be 5.5 Million less people taking those jobs. That works out to 105769 per state on average. Which, mathematically speaking is 105759 people Less than it could be.
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