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Everything Is Rigged: Biggest Scandal Yet

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posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:23 PM
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I propose Too Big To Fail Tax. A hefty tax.

Growing to these proportions cannot be encouraged. A hefty tax would probably, over time, force the too-bigs to not be so big any more.




posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:26 PM
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So... not only do we have to convince the "main-streeters" that this conspiracy is real, we also have to convince the conspiracy theorists that it is real too? Ouch. I see what you're saying though. People would rather believe aliens or reptiles are behind this stuff, or some ancient lineage of blue blooded humans, instead of the very plain and obvious fact that some humans are prone towards accumulating power and wealth more-so than others. And there need not be "backroom meetings" about these things (though this may happen) because people like this share a common desire and goal, thus they work together when need be. Take away the systems they use to achieve their goal, and they will fall from power in a fragmented scatter of chaos.

Good post.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 04:31 PM
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Taxation is THEIR tool though. So that would only hurt the honest wealthy Americans. Not all wealthy people are bad, or part of this conspiracy. It is deeper than that. It goes to the root of our philosophy's that inform our social contracts and means of social organization. As long as people submit to centralized authority (political, economic, religious...) there will be this opportunity.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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Super awesome find, thank you OP
S+F

Shaade



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 05:52 PM
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I am sure that they will argue that it for our collective greater good and that by manipulating markets they are merely acting like a NYSE Specialist who provides liquidity by buying and selling for his own account when there are no other (or few) buyers and sellers, respectively. Naturally by selling when all else is buying could act to dampen the enthusiasm of buyers if not cap prices as we often see in the metals and related inflation gauge markets....afterall it is in all but the speculators interest to keep prices stable - especially if run away prices leads to an interest rate surge which would be a game changer if not ender for the federal government. Again the "ends justifies the means." Ask yourself if you want Order or Chaos?



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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I hate the term "conspiracy theorist." Mainly because it would imply someone who is constantly looking for conspiracies in everything. There are people like that, and maybe that is a good term for them, but why do people who simply question what the media is afraid to question get lumped in with those people? It seems anyone who questions the official story of events in any case is labelled a conspiracy theorist, and this is done purposefully because it is a derogatory term in today's society. It is a way to automatically dismiss any claims made, plain and simple. Someone comes out and questions information that does not make sense, or questions why information is being withheld from the public, and they are immediately labelled as a conspiracy theorist so that the majority of people will think they are crazy and then the claims will just be dismissed.

And the truth is that everything is rigged. This is something everyone should know by now. Just look at the US financial sector. We have the FED, which is NOT controlled by government. There is no oversight, so of course there is going to be corruption. I mean it really is everywhere, but the most corruption can be found in the financial sector, mainly because whoever controls the money controls the country. This is why and how Wall Street runs America, and couple that with lobbyists and those who influence political decisions, the people truly do not run the country. Even elections can be rigged, and there is evidence to suggest that the presidential elections taking place in the US have at times been rigged. But if a story does not break in the MSM, it is simply forgotten.

But look at the fact that the MSM is controlled by a handful of corporations, who are involved in the scam. Of course they are not going to break these stories. There are countless reporters who have testified to the fact that they were fired by MSM outfits because they wanted to report the truth. So that should tell you the state of the MSM. Think about it. If I or anyone else could control both the money and the information people get, I could make them believe anything. At the heart of things it is very simple, but proving this is impossible considering the power these groups have. I do not know if there is one small group who controls the world, but one small group, of the right people, could influence the most important aspects of the political and monetary systems of any country.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 08:48 PM
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I hate the term "conspiracy theorist." Mainly because it would imply someone who is constantly looking for conspiracies in everything. There are people like that, and maybe that is a good term for them, but why do people who simply question what the media is afraid to question get lumped in with those people? It seems anyone who questions the official story of events in any case is labelled a conspiracy theorist, and this is done purposefully because it is a derogatory term in today's society.


I guarantee you one thing Jiggy. It wasn't a term that people who
do the questioning came up with. Ask yourself who comes up with
terms like," Teenager " or now it's," Pre teen " is one of the newer ones.
There are people who put these terms out there. And thru the media they're
sure to catch on. And from there a whole new hero, or villain, or victim comes
into being.



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 10:26 PM
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A lot of good points sweetheart please don't take offence your younger than my daughter. here goes I not going to tell you the answers but help you find the answers. Ok Federal Reserve. Created by responsibility and is it a government Agency. Congress what are their responsibility and work for?



posted on Apr, 27 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by openlocks
reply to post by Rocker2013
 


So... not only do we have to convince the "main-streeters" that this conspiracy is real, we also have to convince the conspiracy theorists that it is real too? Ouch. I see what you're saying though. People would rather believe aliens or reptiles are behind this stuff, or some ancient lineage of blue blooded humans, instead of the very plain and obvious fact that some humans are prone towards accumulating power and wealth more-so than others. And there need not be "backroom meetings" about these things (though this may happen) because people like this share a common desire and goal, thus they work together when need be. Take away the systems they use to achieve their goal, and they will fall from power in a fragmented scatter of chaos.

Good post.


Perhaps, rather than trying to convince people of the theory, you could try and convince them that the materialism that the idea is founded on is flawed?

Because after all, it is the consumer who has driven this market to where it is now, if there were no consumers, then there would be no bank.

I realise that things like food, power, water etc are necessary, but many things are not. It may seem that we need them, but we didn't back in the 60's and everything was sweet then........



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:24 AM
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It has always been a rigged game. Those who could have stopped it from being so didn't care when the rigging was to their benefit. Crying today that it is a rigged game is kind of disingenuous.

Collapse of the Western economies is in the interests of the Western elite and it is exactly where it is headed. The collapse of 2008 was only a dry run. The actual collapse is yet to come. This time when the derivative bubble bursts and all the banks become insolvent, there will be no bailout. With the amount of criticism the last bailout attracted no one can really fault the governments for not going for another bailout. But since allowing all the big banks to collapse will bring the economies to a standstill, it will have to be a bail-in, Cyprus style. Of course, some "culprits" will be identified and sent to jail. But the bail-in will result in the large depositors (those with deposits in excess of USD 250,000 in the US and EURO 100,000 in EU countries) seeing their deposits converted to equity in the banks. Most of these large depositors are businesses who need liquid cash for purchases and salaries to employees. With all of their cash having become illiquid bank shares (there won't be anyone around to purchase these shares, even if there is no lock-in period) they will be forced to go into debt (to the same banks which wiped their cash out). This will result in many businesses closing down and many more downsizing heavily.

Consequently governments' tax revenue will fall, expenditures will shoot up with ballooning deficits. Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) will gain increasing popularity and all the deficit-hawks will be buried. Central Banks will generate money as demanded by governments and "lend" them to the governments. International confidence in the Western currencies will drop to zero and countries around the world will dump USD, EUR, GBP in favour, probably, of the Chinese Yuan. This will lead to hyperinflation in these currency regions and a collapse like Russia has seen in the 1990s.

Mission Accomplished!


edit on 28-4-2013 by Observor because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:38 AM
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Do you pay tax? Have you even tried to NOT pay the tax? If they literally have a gun to your head then I would agree with you, I very much doubt that has happened to you though... So yes I would say you share the responsibility, if you pay tax that is...

Now imagine I came to you and told you that I wanted some money from you and that it was to pay for some guns I would later use to go kill some people... Would you give me the money? This is a simple question? If you gave me the money but said "now don't you go kill anyone", would that be enough to absolve you of responsibility? Even though I told you that is exactly what I am going to do with it?

And perhaps I do go kill some people, men women and children, then I come back to you for more money... Would you give me more? And would it make it okay if you said, "Mr, I am very angry with you! I do not support you killing all those people! Now take your cash and don't do it again"! Would that make it okay?

The truth is you would tell me to get lost! If you didn't you would be as guilty as me... That is just the truth...



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by openlocks
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Oh, okay... thanks! I still find it weird that people on this site don't find this more interesting. It is like the granddaddy of modern conspiracy theories. There is that saying, "follow the money", well the trail is becoming more and more clear. Anyways, thanks again.



The "money trail" was clear after 9/11, but over 10 years later it has done nothing to bring those behind the money trial to justice. The money trail, or following the money is all well and good if something will come of the following of the money, but the reality is, the police system, the court system, the legal system is RIGGED, so those who profited on the 'money trail' will never face charges or responsibility for their actions. The money trail will show that it is rigged, and who rigged it, but it will not bring them to justice in a corrupt system that we have today. Yet despite 2 illegal invasion based on a blatant lie, George W. Bush hasn't faced a war crimes tribunal because of why again ?????? Exactly !

If the game wasn't rigged, then people like George W.Bush and his fellow puppets would be either rotting in a jail cell with a life sentence, or already be dead under capital punishment, preferably the latter ! But George W.Bush hasn't faced charges because of why again ????? Exactly !



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:41 AM
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Yes they are but that is not the point... You see banks do not have armies, banks do not have police and all the other control methods... Banks and corporations USE the government to their advantage... Why wouldn't they? They are in the business of making money... If the gov can use their armies and police to make them more money then they will use that...

Without gov they could not...



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 01:57 AM
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I tie my shoes everyday. Guess you can say my shoes are rigged.


Banks manipulating prices? NO WAY! Banks loves it's customers... That is why they will charge you a overdraft fee of $40 even if you go $2 over in savings (does not matter if you have $1000's in your checkings)...Oh, even with overdraft protection you get the fee!. Hell. I was a student and did the student account with BOA. I signed a contract that said I was not to pay any deposit fees or withdrawl fees at ANY ATM outside of BOA for the first year. (Every transaction even at BOA cost me around $2.00) OH BUT WAIT! 1 month after I open my account with BOA I get smacked with a $10 fee because I had less then $2,000 in my savings account but my checking account had $8,000 in it.

I thought I was supposed to pay a bank fee for safe keeping? Is that not what a bank is for??

Yeah so. If they want to trick me into paying them for nothing.... I can't help but believe the title of this thread!!!:flame
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posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 02:42 AM
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They [the banks] brought in ATM's to help free up the bank teller's working on the counter. So as soon as everyone got use to using ATM's, out comes the $2 charge for every ATM transaction. So then people started going back inside the bank to use the teller, and then they brought in 'admin fee's'. Notice a pattern here ?

Here in Australia we have our tax taken out of our pay and given to the tax office before we even get out pay. How can I with-hold my taxes out of protest when I don't even get to hold it ? Notice a pattern here ?

At my last tax return, I thought i'd ask my accountant to claim back every single cent in tax that I had paid in the last 12 months because I don't agree with what my Government spends the taxes on i.e. illegal wars and invasions, paying interest to the federal reserve, that has no legal right to be in Australia, or any other country. The blank look I got from my accountant was priceless and that alone was worth asking the question. His response was "ummm, errhhhh, ahhhhh, I don't think you can do that ?". I replied with "did you know that according to Australian Law, the ONLY true form of legal protest I can do against my Government if I don't agree with what they are spending on, is to withdraw my taxes and not give it to them, and this is law, BUT, how can I do this when my taxes are taken out from my pay before I get my pay, and my accountant then says that my ONLY true form of legal protest will achieve nothing when claiming all the taxes back. Notice a pattern here ?


When you look at these things individually you may or may not see a pattern, when you put all these things, plus many more not mentioned, you see a clear pattern. We had a tax system that was all based on taxing the rich to cover for the poor. But what do we have today, we have the workers now paying a companies tax [income tax], we have the rich constantly using loopholes to escape paying their due's, while the poor now pick up most of the cost and you'll find its now the poor being taxed so that the rich don't have to be taxed as much.
We had banks paying people to invest in their bank, now they charge people to be in their bank. And if all banks do it, then where do we take our money ? We can't threaten to take our money out to another bank, because the other bank is dong it to.

And why is this happening...............because the game is rigged !
And until we ALL stand up and put a stop to it, the game WILL go on, and it WILL continue to be rigged !
The ball is in our court, so how long is it going to take us to return serve ?



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by alicedee25
Perhaps, rather than trying to convince people of the theory, you could try and convince them that the materialism that the idea is founded on is flawed?

Because after all, it is the consumer who has driven this market to where it is now, if there were no consumers, then there would be no bank.


I used to believe the same, until I really considered the power that these corporations have, and then it's no longer a matter of blaming the consumer for wanting.

The consumer is not informed and the corporation does everything it can to make sure it stays that way. That could be part laziness I agree, but it's mostly just deception - the pharmaceutical company pays a couple million to sponsor a politician, a bill is passed removing a ban on the use of a dangerous drug or compound, a cure for "tiredness" is made, the testing is lax because the same company paid to have two people on a government health board, paid to have some dodgy research done by a shell company they created for the purpose... meanwhile another paid off politician removes the advertising restrictions in a state so that the almost completely unregulated product can then be promoted to millions of people, with little regulation on what they can claim in the advertisement too.

The consumer buys it and uses it, then five years later develops cancer thanks to the compound everyone suspected. A class-action law suit begins by the surviving five thousand people affected by it, but it doesn't matter because the corporation has a lot of connections, can have the case kept out of the press, can pay off another politician, and give all those claimants a couple of hundred thousand each - they still made 20 billion off of the sale of that drug though, their brand and business is still intact, no one is held accountable, and they do it all over again a couple of years later.

You could say that the consumer was an idiot or lazy, that they should have known that taking a drug for tiredness was a hell of a lot worse than just having a nap every day, but their responsibility to know is irrelevant in the face of corporations, politicians and media deliberately colluding and corrupting, hiding the truth and profiteering personally through deceit.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 03:36 AM
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Here in Australia we have our tax taken out of our pay and given to the tax office before we even get out pay. How can I with-hold my taxes out of protest when I don't even get to hold it ? Notice a pattern here ?


I can answer this for you... Basically you are lying... Or are you telling me that no-one works self employed in aus? Of-course there are jobs everywhere that take it out of your wages! If you happen to wake up in one of those jobs you march to your boss and you tell them "I do not agree with murder and torture, in fact I disagree with the whole system and I have a moral responsibility to NOT pay. So either stop taking that money from me or I will leave!"

That is what you do... But ahhhh sod it, that is too hard, I mean you got a mortgage to pay or rent and you need to eat yada yada, so F the people getting tortured and killed all over the place...

I know it is harsh, I know it is not easy! I'm not saying do it today! Find a way to earn money elsewhere (self employed) then do it would be my plan of action... Do window cleaning or lawn cutting, or weeding, whatever you want.

Please just don't pretend you have no choice, because you do, we all do...

Edit: I know my comments may appear as though I am attacking you and others but all I am trying to do is give people a kick in the ass, I think it is time for the gloves to come off and for us to have zero tolerance to real terrorism ie our gov's...

It is nothing personal towards you, I just think it needs to be said.

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posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by AussieDingus

The money trail will show that it is rigged, and who rigged it, but it will not bring them to justice in a corrupt system that we have today. Yet despite 2 illegal invasion based on a blatant lie, George W. Bush hasn't faced a war crimes tribunal because of why again ?????? Exactly !

If the game wasn't rigged, then people like George W.Bush and his fellow puppets would be either rotting in a jail cell with a life sentence, or already be dead under capital punishment, preferably the latter ! But George W.Bush hasn't faced charges because of why again ????? Exactly !


I`ve been expressing this myself recently AussieDingus,its horrific,Anzac day brings this to boiling point in me (or anytime I read articles of more massacres),when we are to remember the fallen and their sacrifices and it hits home to me those innocents of other countries that died because of these lies that we helped in support as well as the fallen soldiers.

The outright anomalies of 9-11 (building 7 for me amongst others) that was witnessed by the world was overshadowed by the shock,which gained so much public opinion of support in holding those responsable to any means possible for those horrendous acts.

I have no idea on how to stop any of this other than talking about it,not to sound like a defeatist but its too deep too powerful too ingrained to stop and I also believe prophesied in revelations even though many don`t.(so I`ll leave it there,there`s enough discussion on it in threads to find)

I havn`t been able to watch TV for the last 20 odd years without each time seeing some type of social engeneering to program the audience (other than some documentaries) we are being conditioned and manipulated from so many angles and fronts and its speeding up.



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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The other market that "they," the cigar chomping cabalists are manipulating is the derivative market, (the secret stock market created when the "little man" like you and I began to play in their stock market, tying in our retirement funds. The derivative market has not been abolished, in fact it has grown from 12 trillion to approximately 12 quadrillion dollars according to Naked Capitolism www.nakedcapitalism.com...
The meager reforms put in place forced the derivative market out of the housing market and into the food market. That is why our food prices have skyrocketed. Manufacturers are raising prices and either packaging food in lesser quantities or lowering the quality. For example, sugar used to be packaged in 5 pound packs, now it is packaged in 4 pound packs. Manufacturers are adding air to chocolate to reduce the quantity of chocolate and marketing it as air infused smooth chocolate.
The "men" who rule the world will not be happy until they have destroyed it. There goal is to ruin it and start over again as told in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. If you haven't read it recently please see the correlation at www.conspiracycollege.com...



posted on Apr, 28 2013 @ 08:30 AM
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Federal Reserve is no more "Federal" than Federal Express.
Federal Reserve is a privately owned central bank which has been given the authority by the US Congress to create money, something which under any other circumstances would be called counterfeiting.
Created by act of Congress in 1913 and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson, the Federal Reserve now exercises the power to create money originally granted to the government.
By design it creates more debt than it creates money with which to pay that debt.

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit.We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -- Woodrow Wilson 1919



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