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Originally posted by WhiteHat
reply to post by Kgnow
Wise words, S&F from me.
Not that everyone will agree with it; after all is so much easier to blame others. And to wait for others to save you...
Oceanborn, geneticists have discovered that all humans are descended from a Mitochondrial-Eve and a Y-Chromosomal Adam. I am your brother, and 'TPTB' are a part of our human collective family. I'm telling you the truth, separation ideologies only cause further suffering.
I have said that everyone is responsible for their own actions. That includes you, me, us, we, them, and TPTB. But I am telling you, there is no placing blame on any external 'them' without first looking within, looking in the mirror, and stopping our 0.0001% (fake number) contribution to things we know are not to the benefit of all.
When anyone says, "I am completely innocent of it all, 'TPTB' are to blame," I am telling you,.... we will get no where good with that thinking! It is irresponsible and immature.
Don't like economic slavery? Stop supporting credit systems setup to indebt you. Don't spend unless you have it. Create grassroots organizations dedicated to eradicating practices such as Fractional Reserve Lending.
Don't like war? Stop fearing your leaders. Stop fearing enemies. Stop hating people. Stop seeing people on the other side of the world as different than yourself.
The power is in your hands to make a difference. 'TPTB' are no different than commercial advertisements on tv. You don't have to eat a BigMac just because they told you to.
YOU my brother ignore every single point that I rebutt if you couldn't win. That is no way to discuss or debate.
Geneticists have proven that we are all related but you refuse me as your brother? The most simple of facts and you can't even handle the truth to admit it.
What contradiction sir? I said that you, me, and TPTB are all responsible for our own actions,... and that ALL OF US share in the blame. Is your share too much for you to handle that you can't even recognize or debate it?
And finally, you keep mentioning the control and manipulation of 'TPTB' over mankind who is asleep, ignorant, or death/dumb/blind. Well guess what, YOU are reading this thread, not them. That is why YOU are to blame
Originally posted by GeneralChaos
I hear you on this, I really do.
I totally agree with EVERYTHING you've said and I KNOW you are on the right path.
What you have laid out is EXACTLY the single reason humanity is in the mess it is in.
No one wants to hear what you are saying!
For the very same reasons you laid out in your OP.
Egos are just too big, overfed, and powerful for most people to come to terms with the fact that THEY are the ones to blame for children getting killed in drone attacks on the other side of the planet.
It takes a certain level of........__________ to get to the point where you are finally ready to accept responsibility for everything you are seeing in the world, and to realize that YOU contributed SOMETHING to EVERYTHING you can even imagine complaining about.
I have seen these threads fail many times and yours will be no different.
People just aren't ready to hear what you have to say I'm afraid.
Originally posted by MaMaa
While I don't agree with the idea of Adam & Eve ever even existing at all, I do agree with the idea that people as a whole have trouble with accepting personal responsibility. So here I am publicly saying that I am what's wrong with the world!! I do not do enough, I could do more, I could be better, I could help others.... the shortfalls in myself are part of the problem.
"First of all, we don't affect # whatsoever."
"All we do is work tedious jobs"
"eat poisoned food that will eventually kill us"
Originally posted by SinMaker
OP, your post resonated with me and the thoughts I've been having lately. We are more responsible than we think to other people, flora, fauna and earth than we can ever imagine. I'll give a few examples.
Consumerism. We buy products from third world countries. Child and slave labor are a result of our western world thirst. We are complicit in making lives hell for others. Cheap wages and barely an existence for many. Industry does not come without clean waste. Our land, our water and our air is compromised to the point of extinguishing life in many species all over the world.
Drug addiction. Those that purchase illicit drugs are responsible for the many deaths of those that run illegal rings to distribute them. They are also complicit in the deaths of those that die from addiction.
Taking responsibility in my view would be to live more in unison with our natural world. The way we live is not compatible with nature. There is no future if we don't realize this.
Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by Kgnow
TPTB and Lucifer are also responsible for their actions. If one uses "insider" knowledge to deceive another, they are at fault. Our sin is not in our actions, it is in our intent and the intent to deceive the world in order to take advantage of those with less knowledge is generally considered a crime.
Originally posted by redoubt
'TPTB' and Lucifer are NOT to Blame. Take 'Self' Responsibility!
Self responsibility is indeed what we all need regardless of our beliefs. Accepting that we are ourselves the cause of most of our own unhappiness is something of an awakening. Whether we are descended from apes that fell from the trees or the creation of a god or higher life form, doesn't change a thing.
And... there is good and evil and we know this almost from birth. There is an instinctive understanding of basic right and wrong... like a firmware that comes with us. To claim ignorance is to ignore what we already know and to blame a god or a devil or anything else, is to dodge that responsibility.
But, there is also the selfish desires that come with this existence that are often whispering in our ear to sidestep the obvious and take the sidetrack... 'the devil made me do it' -or- 'if God loved us, he wouldn't have allowed it'.
This ever-so-short span we know as our human experience, is akin to a field exercise where we are basically tossed to the wolves. To succeed, we have to negotiate the obstacle and mature into a being capable of learning from the mistakes and... yes, accepting the responsibility for our actions.
Here in this world and in this life, denial of all of the above is the most physically and materially rewarding route.
In the case of ignorance, you are right,... intention trumps action when ignorance is a blinding factor. However, here on ATS most are aware of the control and manipulation. And those who are aware and are not completely active and proactive in creating beauty, balance, peace, and love,.... well, if one isn't working on solutions and resolutions they are part of the problem.