Ancient Civilizations Quiz for ATSers

reply to post by Hanslune


Nice!! I remember reading somewhere that some Amerindian tribes in Washington state and surrounding areas have very similar genes to East Asians, such as Japanese or Eastern Chinese.

I love this thread.

So what is it, when is from and where was it recovered?

Originally posted by Hanslune




So what is it, when is from and where was it recovered?

It's Nordic, probably a ceremonial urn used to burn incense or herbs for ritual purposes. Pre medieval times.

reply to post by kimish


Right hemisphere, wrong people, location and date

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by punkinworks10

 

It's Solutrean and it was found on the Eastern Coast of the United States. Meaning that Europeans had reach N.America much sooner than previously thought.

ETA: looking at the picture of the area, I'm guessing Chile and the artifacts are pre-clovis.

edit on 8-5-2013 by kimish because: (no reason given)

Good guess Kimish,
But no,
You have to go way farther back than soultreans, or neanderthals.
So the first one is the "master hand axe"

On the second part you are right is the new world, but not that far south.

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by kimish

 

Unfortunately it remains un-accepted by the consensus - at best it can be considered controversal, neither proven or completely rejected.

Meltzer is among those still skeptical of the Solutrean hypothesis, citing the scant evidence. “If Solutrean boat people washed up on our shores, they suffered cultural amnesia, genetic amnesia, dental amnesia, linguistic amnesia and skeletal amnesia. Basically, all of the signals are pointing to Asia” as the origin of the first Americans.

I believe the image being shown is not the cinmar blade that is something different. I believe it is a hand axe (its isn't a Soultrean blade),from Kathu Pan in the Northern Cape, SA dated back to 750,000 years

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Calico geofacts


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Punkin well done on the pots!

edit on 8/5/13 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

Ding ding,
Hans is the winner.
Yes that us the master hand axe from Africa.
And yes those other hand axes are from the calico early man site in the deserts of California.
And the reason they are significant and controversial because they date to 200k years old.
Really, 200k years?

Hay, Hans
Where is that giant pile if pots

Originally posted by punkinworks10
Hay, Hans
Where is that giant pile if pots

Umm El-Qaab

Pre-dynastic tombs

lots of sherds
4 meters plus of sherds covering 8-9 acres I believe

reply to post by punkinworks10


and as far as anyone can tell they are geofacts unless somebody make sixty thousand stone tools and left them in the same area.....
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Hint for the cauldron, well okay that is a hint

Plus..... this item caused quite a stir in archaeological circles when it was found - it was the first of it kind located in the region in which it was recovered.

reply to post by Hanslune


Was the cauldron used to make certain types of medicines/drugs or to boil people to death as a punishment?

reply to post by Hanslune


This is a time we will have agree to disagree,
I have read the literature, that's available, and the counter arguments are flawed at best, and outright fallicous at worst.



One has to ask how does a stream bed
Make these,



Or these

Blade tool or side scraper

Same as the dorsal view in the preceding figure, but a clearer portrayal of the sharp, evenly-spaced removal scars on the blade laterals. Lateral retouch is bifacial. D. Griffin photo.

Here's an awsome discussion on the site.
www.archaeologyfieldwork.com...

What sealed the deal for me is one of these specimens,not sure which, is made from chert that is only found
300 miles away in Colorado,

That's pretty hard to explain by stream action

reply to post by punkinworks10


That's the problem non-cultural actions can make presentable 'tools'. Oh I 'know' Charlie Hatchett he posts on another website I go to.

The problem with the tools is one they can be reproduced by natural action, show no wear marks and there are tons of them. I believe CH and others are trying to put together a paper on wear but I haven't seen it. It is also possible that the excellent stone resources were used by the locals and their items are mixed into the matrix.

At best one can say the jury is out.

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Was the cauldron used to make certain types of medicines/drugs or to boil people to death as a punishment?

Total height is 125cm - will hold off ID for one more day to give others a chance.

reply to post by Hanslune


a Greek cauldron from late 7th Century?
Not sure where it was found, maybe at Olympia.

I first had to go on the 'fleur-de-lys' (lily) symbols, then on the griffin heads.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by punkinworks10
Hay, Hans
Where is that giant pile if pots

Umm El-Qaab

Pre-dynastic tombs

lots of sherds
4 meters plus of sherds covering 8-9 acres I believe

Holy moly that's a lot of pottery

reply to post by Hanslune


It looks as though there are raised wing reliefs, that have an Egyptian flair to them, but the rest doesn't look Egyptian.
Mad guess here Etruscan?

reply to post by Hanslune


That is a bronze cauldron supported on an iron tripod from the royal necropolis of Salamis in Cyprus...8th century.




Where was this pipe discovered, and to what culture did it belong?

reply to post by punkinworks10


It's cypriot,
From the town of salamis 3rd to 11th century bc, a Greek city state.
That explains the mix of Greek and Egyptian motifs.

The impressive bronzecauldrononthe metallictripod, fromthe book“Salamis ofCyprus” byDr.VasosKarageorghis

reply to post by isyeye


It's a pipe from the Adena People, or Early Woodlands People.
Found in a grave in Ohio.
Dating back to 500 BCE – 50 CE

reply to post by Movhisattva


Good call