What if you woke up tomorrow and government was gone?

Originally posted by Nuke2013
The UN would take over, the military would be put in place as peace keepers until a new government was put in place. All previous politics would be kept in place, same with the current laws and life would move on until the next elections. Well...That's in Canada anyways !!!

The top brass Generals would never let they UN controll the US army. The Top brass would use the Army to try and controll the public and be in charge themselves. And they would probably vote in one of their own as head of state when that time comes.

You forgot to mention that the humans and the people are the government.Libiterians views want people to try the Golden Rule out and be honest and tell the truth with government policies and see how much better the government will respond and the less corruption that will happen.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by Nuke2013
The UN would take over, the military would be put in place as peace keepers until a new government was put in place. All previous politics would be kept in place, same with the current laws and life would move on until the next elections. Well...That's in Canada anyways !!!

The top brass Generals would never let they UN controll the US army. The Top brass would use the Army to try and controll the public and be in charge themselves. And they would probably vote in one of their own as head of state when that time comes.

Point well taken but there would still be laws and politics no matter what so that the population could be controlled.

The UN IS a GOVERNMENT....the premise of the post is government is gone...assuming this means ALL government.

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Yes I thought the whole idea was for all government bodies would be gone.

On that note I think we'd see a lot of ex-government people commit suicide the day after it was all shut down.

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I would pack up and move out of the city. We could handle the anarchy and chaos that would happen, but an overall sense of ease and excitement would take over. I would think "oh thank god" and not have to worry about my future state of living. Local gov't and the community would step up and take over safety concerns (at least where I live).

And they all lived happily ever- after the regime fell and the locals took charge.

Local living communities would come together, I think, and we would have more peace amongst the citizens.

Originally posted by Nuke2013
The UN would take over, the military would be put in place as peace keepers until a new government was put in place. All previous politics would be kept in place, same with the current laws and life would move on until the next elections. Well...That's in Canada anyways !!!

And those that own the UN are the ones that prevent ufo&alien disclosure to put away religious superstitions once and for all, they are the ones that create economic crisis with so called "mismanagement", they are the ones that encourage wars(either religious and/or resource based), they are the ones that control the msm and alternative sites, they are the ones whom are trying to crash what they have already created to go to the next more harsh rfid chip and digital currency society.

Rinse and repeat such as happens in the middle east, while we are distracted with "terrorists" and "communists" approaching us from each angle. They create our dellusions and we accept them because we are too distracted to know and do better.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by Nuke2013
The UN would take over, the military would be put in place as peace keepers until a new government was put in place. All previous politics would be kept in place, same with the current laws and life would move on until the next elections. Well...That's in Canada anyways !!!

The top brass Generals would never let they UN controll the US army. The Top brass would use the Army to try and controll the public and be in charge themselves. And they would probably vote in one of their own as head of state when that time comes.

What difference does it make? The UN already controls america indirectly. They control all the countries.

Money controls things, not ideas!! Look at the bilderbergers who love gay rituals at bohemian grove as your first clue.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Its called, "growing balls". If.the government was gone, the economy would.be too. A lot of people would die. Survival of the fittest is the way of the world. It would not be happy, but thats okay. At least it would be real.

How about no government by the bilderberger mafia? A government controlled by the people and for the people. I don't care if you want to call it capitalism, socialism or communism. As long as the parasites at the top get arrested and punished, then we can allow people like gary johnson, alex jones, jessie ventura, david icke, jill stein, etc to take over.

And tell the UN to act like wth it should act like. No more security council nonsense! Russia and USA have killed millions of innocent folks in global proxy wars to spread their disease to every nation on earth. And the muslims I really don't care what they do.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Limited government is a happy medium between no government and big government. I choose Limited government with an emphasis on conservative/Libertarian.

As many here probably already know, I oppose Statism mightily.

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Actually lopsided statism enforced ONLY the average joe and totally neglected on "the elite" is the definition of croney capitalism or state capitalism, whichever term you prefer. Social statism is a different idea, not that I am a big fan of that either.

Destroy DHS, Patriot Act, prosecute the 9-11 criminals(domestic), go after the Federal Reserve management, shrink the military industrial complex by at least 50%, bring back jobs to america by putting tariffs on imports, enforce illegal immigration laws, cut down on thousands of redundant or otherwise chicken-# legislation that is used to tax poor people.

That is my version of "small government" and statism. It takes statism to unrid the old statism, therefore not all statism is the same.

So no taxes, no politicians, no laws, no military, no police, no public schools, no road crews, no borders or border control, no regulations for water treatment, no protected lands, worthless money...sounds like fun.

It would probably suck:

1). The roads in Michigan would surely go to H E Double Hockey Sticks in no time.

2). I've paid about $4,000 in Federal Income Tax alone this year and would like at least a chance to get 60% of that back...

Government is not the problem, the problem is all the a$$holes we allow to corrupt it. Government does not mean "Mind Control" as others would leave you to believe. The more correct root is "Mind Guidance". Instead of waking up one day to no government, let's all wake up one day to a government we have a say in, but more importantly - have a desire to make our voices heard in.

then companies would step in and say "yeah the whole there being free people and all will now be run by us. oh you don't like corporations running the show? but you did when we called it government! everybody shall report to factories for labor. work sets one free, you will get coupons for food electricity, water and housing from microsoft, g.e. the nfl, coca cola, burger king, ing, and wells fargo." then i'd say "they have finally come out of the closet"

Originally posted by Gazrok
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It would become the wild west.

No, much much worse. Even with the Wild West, there was still a federal government...it's reach was distant, but still present. In this scenario, it's more like the Dark Ages (but with technology)...where might makes right, and you'd see charismatic military leaders pooling assets together to form militia run city/states.

Not to mention, with the artificial fed economy gone, overnight, we're at a barter system, and a loot and pillage scenario.

And we've seen the wonders the federal government did for the american indians during the 1800s and the brilliant idea from the US congress called the indian removal act.

In the 1920s the congress had the arrogance to "grant" citizenship to native americans that werent already us citizens. Really? The government dares to concede something to the very first owners of a land they occupied by force? Anyway...

Btw... the indians never had the need for a federal government or anything close to that before. And I'm sure we don't either. It is clear the indians still don't as you can see from legal processes that are a still a ongoing battle today.

I see no point on a government that its sole purpose is to control and to have unlimited power over its citizens and to make them work for them - I never seen a poor government, not even in poor countries. Curious fact.

Originally posted by Nuke2013

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by Nuke2013
The UN would take over, the military would be put in place as peace keepers until a new government was put in place. All previous politics would be kept in place, same with the current laws and life would move on until the next elections. Well...That's in Canada anyways !!!

The top brass Generals would never let they UN controll the US army. The Top brass would use the Army to try and controll the public and be in charge themselves. And they would probably vote in one of their own as head of state when that time comes.

Point well taken but there would still be laws and politics no matter what so that the population could be controlled.

Correct. Because people in our day and time dont know how to be free. The only solution people can come up with is a new government and new laws. Our dilemma is that we were not borne free and we are not educated to be free, but to be servants and serve in system. And we have mades our lives depend on its structure and functions.

We will never be free because we dont know what freedom is.
We will never be free because no one trusts anyone being free but themselves.
We will never be free because the cost of life will be to high.

From all the posts i have read so far. No one wants real freedom at all. What they all really want is safety. People have the idea that freedom is a dangerous thing. That is why we will never be free.

I guess I would have to start looking for a job!

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by MaMaa

Originally posted by smithjustinb
Its called, "growing balls". If.the government was gone, the economy would.be too. A lot of people would die. Survival of the fittest is the way of the world. It would not be happy, but thats okay. At least it would be real.

That seems a bit short sighted! No local government means no local police and there certainly are not enough people out there protecting the average person from the criminals more than willing to do horrible things. Criminals going uncontrolled hardly seems like 'growing balls' and I don't know many men who would stop them unless they were at direct risk themselves of their family were at immediate risk.

Well you dont know many men that would survive. Its not a matter of protecting others,its a matter of protecting your self.

Sounds like you are making the assumption that if a man doesn't turn to a criminal that they wouldn't survive? Now this is not to say I'm disagreeing with you that a lot of people would die, I believe this to be true. I believe that the true nature of some would come out. But not all would become that way and I don't think that those who don't turn into violent power hungry control seeking freaks would not survive.

What would happen?

death and deconstruction
lots and lots of people would die.lots of people are dependent on government. Elderly dependent on social security would die. people dependent on pharmaceuticals paid for by medicare and medicaid would die. there would be lots of violence because there are a lot of people who either don't care, do not have a social conscience, or feel so entitled, that they would go out and grab whatever they could from whomever they could rob.

we have a multicultural society that is only possible because its based on the rule of law, remove the rule of law and a multicultural society will descend into deconstruction until a homogeneity of social mores develops, the key word there is the development of homogenous society. getting there would not be pretty and lots of people would die. you should note here that the neo-cons have attempted to replace the rule of law and homogeneous mores with a doctrine calling for unity through a struggle with a common enemy. The never ending spat of wars leads me to think that the rule of law is being abandoned and along with it, the bill of rights.

The real problem is that anarchism is just another utopia. it can never exist outside of one man or one family living in isolation and even then there is no guarantee that it would not end badly. So in conclusion, limited government is necessary, but too much government is just as bad as a slide towards anarchism. Whether its demicide, homicide, parenticide, infanticide etc etc etc, you're just as dead. people need balance and society needs consistency to survive.

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If it whent that far, do you think that by forming a government you would be able to prevent further killings?

No, the government would be used to create a even bigger force so that it could put down everyone that does not comply to its form of governing. That is why you would form a government. And this is what our government is doing to day. Our governments are trying to form a One World Order where everyone answer to one government authority. And they are doing this without our consent. But we have to comply to our governments because we have given it power to prosecute us if we dont comply.

EDIT: We have not given government power to prosecute us. It has given it self the authority to do that.

In 2009 I bought a canal barge hull to build has a home. I fitted her out with a 3000w Inverter linked to a bank of five batteries, I also installed a fire with back boiler and chlorifier. I lived on it for a year completely disconnected from the grid before I sold it. It was easy to do and in truth by lowering my electricity consumption drastically there is no reason why a solar panel robbed off a roof could not provide ample power. Now I have built that system on a boat I could easily build it in a shed, cave or house.

For food I would stay away from the shops and supermarkets. Instead I would take a van and ransack an out of town supermarket distribution centre. I want food by the pallette, not the tin. Water would be provided by the Pennine Hills and security by a 12 bore shotgun.

The key is to stay away from anywhere with a population over 2000. The larger the pond the bigger the fish as they say. Stay rural and stay alert.

I absolutely guarentee that I would be better off than 90% of the population if the government left in disgust.