Same-sex marriage: French parliament approves new law.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Bluesma

 

Thanks for the education!

I feel the same as you. We cannot protect our children from being teased or hassled. The best we can do is raise them to have a high self-confidence and teach them tolerance and acceptance of people who are ignorant or intolerant. Hopefully, the tide will shift as more and more gay couples have children of their own, through means of turkey baster, if necessary.

I guess legalizing gay marriage is a step in the right direction, and some fortunate gay men will be able to arrange with female friends to have their children, right? That's not illegal, is it?

Well, if the men are married together, it is hard to convince the authorities that the child is result of sexual relations between the man and woman.... but I guess they could try. (had a LOT to drink that night... )

But the problem would be that the other man in the relationshp would have no legal rights to the child- he could not be considered a parent.

France is not a Socialist country by the way.

The socialist party is one party. If the US has a republican president, you do not say "the USA is Republican" do you?

France has a capitalist economy, and the opposing parties exist to act as a balancing factor, to keep each one from going to an extreme.

The Communist party is just as legitimate here too- though not as popular. I was shocked at that at first- it was liek seeing people unabashedly admitting to being satanists!

No, the fact that it isn't actively repressed, everyone and anyone can join it, and it still has never "possessed" the country or the people, makes me think there's been a bit of exaggeration going on about the danger.....

Equality for all - a fundamental truth.

Equality for prisoners, set them free - an error by equality fundamentalists..

Equality for all, including anti-natural human evolutionists - utter stupidity.

Till now, sadly NONE can challenge my post rationally and logically, except they resorting to name calling and uttering BS.

'We are only a small party, devoted to rebuild the Nazi party. We harm no one." - so said Hitler in the late 20s and how did that turned out as other nations foolishly turned the other way?

Anti - natural human evolutionists - Homosexuals-gays and lesbians, claimed they are only a small percentage, less than 10% hiding behind closets as homosexuality had been frowned upon by our wise ancestors who survived and gave us our today, will cause no harm, affects no economies when they grow old as they are negligible.

YET - in france - close to 60% of the elected representatives, presumed to represent their constituents and vote on behalf of them in the french Parliament for same sex marriage to be legalised.

That's 60% of the population with amongst them homosexuals and supporters of legalisation of homosexuality, including even adoption, IVF and probably even using plastic bags - artifical wombs when the tech is avaliable, to create human robots to support them and the economy when they grow old as they cannot procreate.

It is good to be fair, empathic and nice to all. Even foolish 13 years olds claim the boston bomber is innocent despite the evidences and should be set free, to the horror and pain of those he maimed and slaughtered victims' families which he admitted to. But PLEASE - BE PRACTICAL.

May the Judiciary in the 19 countries that legalised same sex marriage throw the legalislation out. It is a horror awaiting to happen, not on religious grounds, but ETHICAL and ECONOMIC reasons. Laws need farsightedness, logic and reason to be cast in stone, and are not meant for pleasing voters to remain in power.

I apologise for being frank and seemed rude, but I do not know how to flower the truth to make it palatable.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
YET - in france - close to 60% of the elected representatives, presumed to represent their constituents and vote on behalf of them in the french Parliament for same sex marriage to be legalised.

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May the Judiciary in the 19 countries that legalised same sex...

That's right, they did. And no moralizing is going to change the fact that they don't agree with you.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Till now, sadly NONE can challenge my post rationally and logically, except they resorting to name calling and uttering BS.

Your post is completely illogical. There is NO chance that 100% of people will BECOME gay in the future. Being gay is not a belief system or a political position. A small percentage of the people are BORN that way. Period.

Homosexuals-gays and lesbians, claimed they are only a small percentage, less than 10% ...

YET - in france - close to 60% of the elected representatives, presumed to represent their constituents and vote on behalf of them in the french Parliament for same sex marriage to be legalised.

That's because 60% of people (gay and straight) support equality. I am not gay. My husband is not gay. Most of my friends are not gay. Yet we ALL strongly support equal treatment under the law of all citizens.

Even if 100% of the people support gay marriage, 90% or so will still be straight and having sex and making babies.

supporters of legalisation of homosexuality,

Homosexuality is already legal.

BE PRACTICAL.

Are you - the person who thinks gays getting married will lead to the eventual downfall of humanity - seriously imploring people to be practical??????????

By the way, it doesn't matter that your objections to gay marriage are on ethical and economical grounds. Your reasoning makes NO sense. Your grounds are groundless. Gay marriage has been legal in the Netherlands for 12 years. Show me some evidence that they are experiencing what you so deeply fear as a result of making gay marriage legal.

Originally posted by intrepid
That's right, they did. And no moralizing is going to change the fact that they don't agree with you.

Moralising? Being Pragmatic is moralising?

I am not sure if I should weep or laugh over such inanity. But it doesn't matter to me, regardless if anyone agrees o r disagrees with me. I am only an insignificant nobody here sounding out a warning based upon logic.

As for the other - many laughed when a few warned that Nazi germany will swallow up europe, for they thought that germany was weak and beaten. Even Chamberlin refused to believe in the rise of germany with evidences proffered of their increased naval and military power, and had even stepped into Austria, till too late.

While homosexuals are in no way comparable to the evil Nazi, nor had done ANYTHING evil comparable to the despised Nazi, the commonalitiy of both lays in their push for the end of mankind and the destruction of the building block of civilisation - the family, except for themselves.

Today, thanks to our wise ancestors, homosexuals are largely left hidden in closets in the majority of nations in our world . They exists, but only with tolerance. However, when homosexuality becomes legal, it is only natural for it to grow, and demand for its equality in society to survive, even at the expense of heterosexuals whom will bare the burden of their upkeep when they grow old.

Already, with just a few countries legalizing homosexuality and marriages, one can clearly see how many others where homosexuality is illegal had broken free from the closets and dominated the landscape of our world's civilisation by becoming far more bolder in their demands upon societies.

I apologise for not wearing blinkers or believe mankind lives in disneyland today.

Equality for all - a fundamental truth.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


All people should be treated as equal.

Equality for prisoners, set them free - an error by equality fundamentalists..

If everyone is treated as equal and you commit a serious crime, you go to jail, what's your point?

Equality for all, including anti-natural human evolutionists - utter stupidity.

Yes, equality for all or are you suggesting some people are more important and superior than others?
As for the anti-natural human evolutionists, do you mean people who save lives? People who perform surgery to babies still in the womb, people who perform life saving surgery or help with fertility treatment?

Till now, sadly NONE can challenge my post rationally and logically, except they resorting to name calling and uttering BS.

As Benevolent Heretic pointed out, your point of view is based on no logic what so ever. Every point you make is flawed. If I said you were gay, you'd call it BS and insist I provide proof to such wild unfounded accusations. Your opinion can't be backed up with any facts.

homosexuality had been frowned upon by our wise ancestors

Yes you are indeed homophobic and live in ignorance as to why and how gay people have been persecuted. Let me give you a hint religion, misinformation, fear and power.

It is good to be fair, empathic and nice to all

Yes, you should try it.

May the Judiciary in the 19 countries that legalised same sex marriage throw the legalislation out. It is a horror awaiting to happen, not on religious grounds, but ETHICAL and ECONOMIC reasons

On the Ethics point how is gay marriage morally evil? You point out all straight men will turn gay once gay marriage becomes law, does that include you? Why didn't straight marriage make gay people straight? Since when has the concept of a personal ceremony, uniting two consenting adults already in love, in-front of family and friends be possibly evil? On the other hand, people who commit murders, steal, cheat and commit fraud can get married without harming the concept of marriage. Divorce is acceptable too isn't it?

On the Economic reasons, gay people work, pay taxes, consume, buy cars, fight wars, work on oil rigs, are boxers, scientists, farmers, ship builders etc. They aren't confined to a particular role of work in society. they just happen to be attracted to the same sex. That's all. I really don't know where your train of thought is on this one, I really don't.

Laws need farsightedness, logic and reason to be cast in stone

Laws need to be there to protect people from physical and mental harm and not there to punish those that just passively offend others because they just don't like it or whatever offends them.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

I am not sure if I should weep or laugh over such in[s]anity.

I think everyone assumed you've been doing a combination of both between intervals of snorting coc aine and/or stirring your own poop around the toilet bowl with your toes while singing Disney songs.

Nothing you have said has made the slightest bit of sense. Let's throw some real logic into your mess of megalomaniacal nonsense:

1. If legalizing gay marriage and adoption will turn everyone gay, why didn't straight marriage and adoption turn everyone straight?

2. If the world was overrun with no straight men and only gay men, nobody would be able to reproduce. This make homosexuality bad? Likewise, if the world was overrun by only straight men and no women, nobody would be able to reproduce. I guess straight men are a real threat, too, and they're a lot closer to that fantasy already in terms of population. Down with the heteros, I guess?

3. Women would be used as brood mares to supplement the population deficiency? You speak as if women are all completely unwilling to birth children. I wonder how we ever got to 7 Billion. Must've been all those brooding camps we have set up to keep our women producing kids regularly all over the world.

4. Nobody has proven you wrong? The ownus is on you to show any shred of logic in your incredibly obvious, rather adolescently-fabricated fallacious fantasy realm. The reason people didn't bite is because you're actually just insane and it's humiliating to the human race to read more than 1 paragraph of your maniacal garble.

5. Start taking your medication.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

We've had gay marriage since 2006 in South Africa, and I cannot think of families broken up or any straight people who suddenly turned gay because of it.
By my experience homophobia, especially from extreme religious groups, breaks up families by casting out and shunning non-believers and gay family members.

You seem to view gay people as an invasive force, but they've been there all along.
There's no evidence that gay parenting will turn kids gay, or vice-versa.
In countries with low birth rates isn't it better for local gay couples to raise kids with the local customs and language rather than importing masses of people from other cultures?
Maybe it won't make much difference, but perhaps a little.

I've never been radical about gay marriage or adoption from a personal position, and equal partnership rights would have been fine with me.
However, since we've had equal gay marriage I'm actually kinda proud of it, and I see no reason to turn back the clock.

Gay people work and pay taxes too, so it's wrong to say that straight people will end up supporting gay people.
We've supported straight benefits for years without equal treatment.
Not that gays should get special treatment; but anyone who wants a same-sex marriage should just get equal treatment.