Same-sex marriage: French parliament approves new law.

You heard it here first.

For those that dont know, the French elected a socialist as president in their last election. (Just stating that a liberal is in office)

The bill, which also legalises adoption by same-sex couples, was passed by 321 votes to 225 in the French parliament. The decision follows a divisive public debate with some of the biggest protests seen in France in recent years. Hundreds of opponents of the measure rallied outside the National Assembly building in central Paris as the result was announced. Several hundred opponents of the new law were out in force, led by Frigide Barjot (centre) The leader of the most high-profile group opposing same-sex marriage vowed to continue the fight.

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I think people have a right to oppose this - albeit for ignorant reasons. I would like to see how this pans out - Will the fabric of french society be destroyed by people of the same sex legalizing their union under the law? Will heterosexual couples think less of marriage and therefore not bother to enter into it? If children are to be adopted by gay couples, will it really turn them into societies undesirables as they age into adulthood?

We need only a good 10-15 years to disprove all of the preconceived notions regarding homosexuality. Society is not going to break apart. The human species isnt going to become extinct. You're not going to catch the "gay" effect and children are not going to be influenced by being aware that two adults of the same sex are in a relationship - Their indifference to it will spare them from having to carry a heart of hatred for it.

Gay Adoption in the US

In the US, we've had 10-15 years to disprove all of the preconceived notions regarding gay marriage and adoption. Society has not broken apart (well, not because gays are marrying and adopting). The adult children of same-sex parents have already proven that they're just fine and contributing members of society.

I agree that people have a right to oppose it, for whatever reason. But they don't have a right to deny other citizens equal treatment under the law.

Good for France.

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I saw that earlier on CNN.
Thought about making a thread. S/F

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Not all liberals are socialists. Get your head out of your ass on that one.

And good for France. It's about time that the ignoramuses got their come-uppance from denying others a right to happiness.

In a homosexual world, women will be enslaved to become breeders like dogs in a pet shop
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i had sought to avoid this topic, but in a free society, I am compelled to share this insight.

I will not make the usual diplomatic homilies to the homosexuals, - gays and lesbians - whom I view as only my fellow humans, but to be straightforward, and forthright and even to a degree of bluntness which is not my way on ATS, but only for the sake of reality and discussion.

In a world where homosexuality becomes the norm, the only natural evolution would be that all female children will be bred as breeders for new children, like female dogs in pet shops. Is this what we want for our women folk for their future?

Homosexuals DO NOT produce children on their own, and thus the need for outside agencies for childbirth, if homosexuality is to be ECONOMICALLY sustainable. Without future generations, WHO will look after the old homosexuals when they get on with age? WHO will gather the grains and work the ships?

Japan, with its aging population, proved that without the regenerations of children, it will only soon die out as its economy collapses one day. China, with its one child policy, realizes this and had woken up, in fear of what is to come.

Today, 14 countries in our world legalized same sex marriage and even allowed adoption and IVF techniques for childbirth.

Homosexuals claimed that they are only a MINORITY in our world, and will remain a minority. But the FACT is - there are a minority because their union were not legalised nor allowed to adopt children which will only be subjected to ridicle when they grow up in a still heterogenous world today and suffer even more dire teenage identity angst common even with normal children.

Once the sacred marriage of institution, passed down by our ancestors for thousands of years to include homosexuality, their numbers will be more, more so when there is so much conflict, confusion, stress and even gender role confusions which makes same sex companionship a likely choice as such couples would have gone through much in such a life going through woes and suffering together, even sharing beds and toilets comfortably since young, that it becomes natural.

But when more of humans go for same sex marriages, the consequences will lead to a massive drop in childbirths, revenues to state, higher costs of production and health, and downright the end of the economy, if not humanity later.

And in order to stop this trend, WOMEN will be seen more as economic resource than as a human, to be given IVF as long as they are capable of childbirth, like dogs, and most of them will come initially from the poor, then to the middleclasses by the elites as humankind gets lesser and lesser.

No more will women have the choice or say over childbirth matters, to love and grow the child to be a responsible member of the human race as our society had taught us, but have their babies ripped away the moment she concieves.

In the past when most of mankind was poor, women were treated as such. But as we progressed, and many uplifted to middleclasses, 2 is enough as replacement and we worry for women who gives birth to more than that, even if out of love for her husband and kids, as any civilised and progressive society would for its members.

In a homsexual world, our womenfolk will be treated horrifyingly, like breeding dogs and have their children taken away the moment of birth, and cries ignored. New humans will be nothing more than robots to serve a needs of the homosexuals and its elites

I am no religious fundamentalist, and had often questioned why some principles are there in religion. And over this matter, I realized why. Religion is nothing more than moral and ethical guidelines for mankind if it seeks to progress and evolve. Homosexuality does not evolve humans for it procreates nothing.

IVF is wonderful science for childless heterosexual couples. But if done on a massive scale, it is a horror, to us men and future women. It must NOT be allowed for homosexual couples. We this generation have an ethical responsibility to stop it, either through legislation or the Courts.

Some say marriage is a union between man and women, understand and adopted since time immemorial and is a given. But some attempted to abuse the rule of law by challenging that no where in the constitution does it says only a man can marry a woman.

For them, I can only say:- nowhere does the constitution says a human cannot marry his/her best friend - dogs or donkeys. Do we mankind want to unethically create horrendous INTERSPECIES of hybrids through the manipulaton of DNA?

I appeal to my fellow humans of the homosexuality bend whom I will NEVER discrimate or allow others to do so as long as they live - if legality and protection of rights you seek, there is nothing wrong with civil unions.

..............If it is social expenditure equality you seek, be fair - you do not produce children on your own and dependent on outside sources such adoption or IVF. When adoption becomes less, are artificial inseminations and IVF the way to treat our fellow womenkind one day so that there will be the young to sustain your old age economically?

I truly and honestly apologise here, for I had offended, I know, but it is only for the sake of truth and realities that I wrote, so that all may be well informed and not legalise anything just to get votes. The future of mankind is at stake. Many issues will affect the future of mankind, but homosexuality dominance is one which mankind can still avert.

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Congrats to France for having an enlightened government (at least enlightened for a few moments). Wake me when Saudi Arabia follows suit.

Viva La Similarity?

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
You heard it here first.

.....uh....no.......

I am pro, of course.
As much as I would have fun being an opportunist and take advantage of the ignorance of foriegners to make jokes about the french who opposed it as if they are total morons, I wouldn't be able to look my conscience in the I.

Did you know that it is illegal in France to use a surrogate mother?

This means that lesbians who are married will have no problem having children, but gay male couples will not be able to- at least not using their own genetic material.

This opens a whole new can of worms, legally. The next fight will have to be to make surrogacy legal, to make rights equal. The french people have strong feelings about surrogacy. They have a different view of maternity, and place a lot more value on it (at least more than what I was impressed with growing up)

They see the bond between mother and child as essential, the mother being the teacher of the most base education (appropriately called the "maternal education"). Meaning the earliest conditioned values, morals, and self/other relation (socialization).

The father is seen as the teacher later on, of the more conscious principles of behavior and thought, of self image and self mastery.

They do not see mothering as simply being warm and giving nourishment- it includes important discipline. That it is also the first time one learns that an other can be severe, while also loving uncondtionally (the father more conditional).

So... they cannot stand the idea that a woman be reduced to being a baby-making machine for money, and foresee that as something that would minimalize the value of women in general, and the very important part they play in the forming of society- which is, in fact, making socialized people, who are not completely narcissistic. Not just biologically, but psychologically.

If you can follow me down through all that path, you might see how the french who are against this are looking much further ahead. They are concerned about womens rights and the cultural values.

There is also the argument, less valid, in my opinion, that children adopted by homosexual couples will face the struggle of public opinion and predjudice, that could cause problems for them.

My argument is that it isn't fair to say that- "You can't do it, because I won't be able to accept it, so you'd be submitting the child to my predjudicial attitudes!" I like to say, you can just choose to drop those and the problem is gone!

But they argue that we do not have that much control over such deep and subconsciously sourced feelings, so it is best to just acknowledge they are there, and deal with them directly and realistically. Betting on the belief that we have total control over our deepest conditioning just ends up in hypocrisy (saying you are over it, but body language and actions all saying the opposite).

I still think that with time those people will get over it- they are afraid of unknown, just as all people are. I've grown up around gay couples with kids, I saw their kids grew up into very balanced and wonderful adults. But that is not the case for a lot of other people.

editted to add- Just a reminder- in Europe, Socialism is not the same as it is in American speak- it is not Communism.
Just a reminder in case anyone gets confused on that.

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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Not all liberals are socialists. Get your head out of your ass on that one.

And good for France. It's about time that the ignoramuses got their come-uppance from denying others a right to happiness.

Get my head out of ass eh? I consider myself more on the left and would appreciate it if you also removed your head from your rectum and comprehended that mistakes happen. It specificity says HE'S A SOCIALIST. i dont have a problem with that, nor am i bothered if he's liberal. I simply stated it in case any members were unaware that France has a socialist leader.

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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
In a homosexual world, women will be enslaved to become breeders like dogs in a pet shop

Have you considered writing a sci-fi book? Your post reads like a wild, far-out fantasy.

I think it's pretty hilarious that people with this "fear" think homosexuality is SO attractive, that once legalized, everyone will be so enamored by the idea that they'll abandon all heterosexual tendencies and run right out and marry the first willing person of their own gender. You apparently think the only thing keeping 95% of us straight are the laws against gay marriage. Man has been here for about 250,000 years! I think if we were all going to "go gay", we'd have done that by now...

Have you seriously thought out your position on this? I think you should keep seeking the truth.

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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
Not all liberals are socialists. Get your head out of your ass on that one.

Not fair. France's president IS socialist.

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Thanks for the education!

I feel the same as you. We cannot protect our children from being teased or hassled. The best we can do is raise them to have a high self-confidence and teach them tolerance and acceptance of people who are ignorant or intolerant. Hopefully, the tide will shift as more and more gay couples have children of their own, through means of turkey baster, if necessary.

I guess legalizing gay marriage is a step in the right direction, and some fortunate gay men will be able to arrange with female friends to have their children, right? That's not illegal, is it?

I will be so glad when the day comes and this goes back into the bedroom were it belongs.
Frankly I am tired of people catering to so called minarets .
.Marriage is a religas intuition!!! IT SHOULDNT BE UP to the government to make laws regarding it!
Sorry to say religion has it always been 1 male 1 female .No ware in ANY relgion I have ever studied does it say two men or two woman can get marred .When god said be plentifully and multiply im sure he was thinking Adam and Bob.
You say your gay fine I don't care its not my problem keep it in the bedroom.
Offended by my post?? well I'm offended by you constantly taking off your pants in public just so every one knows your gay. Take it back to your bedroom.
PS I'm male I also was young at one time and I experimented .(most will)) But I don't go around saying guess what I did at 17 .Ps not gay but its completely normal for humans to experiment with sexuality in puberty .
gays having kids ?? how can anyone mandate that?? OO I want a kid but being I'm gay YOU have to give me a kid??? excuse me male female couples aren't just given kids because there male female. They either have them naturel or usually are stuck never having them unless they are well off and spend 5-7 years filling our forms.
what makes you so special that you should get a free ride?

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For them, I can only say:- nowhere does the constitution says a human cannot marry his/her best friend - dogs or donkeys.

And that my friend is your problem.

You equate same sex marriage between two consenting adults to that of one consenting adult wanting to marry an animal which can't understand what is happening and can't give consent.

Regards to the rest of your post.....lost for words.

It kind of reminds me of the old spinster who lived down the road from my Nan some 40 years ago. She believed babies were born out of the belly button so didn't get married on the off chance she got pregnant. Which again happened at the touch of a man on her belly button. Sounds a bit crazy doesn't it? That's what she was told so she believed it.

We have a Conservative (right of centre) as a Prime Minister in the U.K and he is pushing for this in the U.K.

This isn't a socialist agenda, I think you are way off the mark there to be honest.

Any love is good love surely? Why shouldn't Gays have equal rights and be able to live the lives they choose? Who are we to judge their chosen path? As long as people aren't hating on others, I seriously can't see a problem.

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Originally posted by midnightstar
I will be so glad when the day comes and this goes back into the bedroom were it belongs.

Marriage belongs in the bedroom? We are talking about a legal contract here, not sex...

Frankly I am tired of people catering to so called minarets .

I think you mean minorities. A minaret is part of a building. Minorities are citizens and should be treated equally. Without equal treatment, black people would still be drinking from their own fountains and riding in the back of the bus...

Marriage is a religas intuition!!!

For some, it is. For others, not at all. Marriage isn't just for religious people. Besides, there ARE religious gay people.

IT SHOULDNT BE UP to the government to make laws regarding it!

Maybe it shouldn't be, but we're talking about reality of today. The government IS involved in marriage.

well I'm offended by you constantly taking off your pants in public just so every one knows your gay.

Um... people don't take their pants off to show that they're gay.

PS I'm male I also was young at one time and I experimented .(most will)) But I don't go around saying guess what I did at 17 .Ps not gay but its completely normal for humans to experiment with sexuality in puberty.

You're right. It's completely normal for teens to experiment sexually. And it's ALSO completely normal for some people to be attracted to their own gender or be repulsed by the thought of the opposite gender for their whole lives. You don't have to accept that, but it is normal.

what makes you so special that you should get a free ride?

No one has suggested a "free ride". I'm not even sure what you mean. It's VERY difficult for gay couples to adopt or have a child.

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Originally posted by Tykonos
You equate same sex marriage between two consenting adults to that of one consenting adult wanting to marry an animal which can't understand what is happening and can't give consent.

I know, right? I'm always kind of perplexed by people's fascination around having sex with animals... The anti-equality crowd always brings this up... as if it's the next natural step. It always makes me wonder... Are laws against gay marriage the only thing keeping these people from "marrying" their farm animals?

Originally posted by midnightstar
I will be so glad when the day comes and this goes back into the bedroom were it belongs.
Frankly I am tired of people catering to so called minarets .
.Marriage is a religas intuition!!! IT SHOULDNT BE UP to the government to make laws regarding it!
Sorry to say religion has it always been 1 male 1 female .No ware in ANY relgion I have ever studied does it say two men or two woman can get marred .When god said be plentifully and multiply im sure he was thinking Adam and Bob.
You say your gay fine I don't care its not my problem keep it in the bedroom.
Offended by my post?? well I'm offended by you constantly taking off your pants in public just so every one knows your gay. Take it back to your bedroom.
PS I'm male I also was young at one time and I experimented .(most will)) But I don't go around saying guess what I did at 17 .Ps not gay but its completely normal for humans to experiment with sexuality in puberty .
gays having kids ?? how can anyone mandate that?? OO I want a kid but being I'm gay YOU have to give me a kid??? excuse me male female couples aren't just given kids because there male female. They either have them naturel or usually are stuck never having them unless they are well off and spend 5-7 years filling our forms.
what makes you so special that you should get a free ride?

wow, did you put any thought into this post or is it just an uninformed kneejerk reaction? Yeah, cos us poofs just want to marry animals and random objects.

just how retarded can one post be!! You score at least 9 out of 10 on the stupid factor. also, go back to school (if you've left yet) your spelling is to be laughed at.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
We have a Conservative (right of centre) as a Prime Minister in the U.K and he is pushing for this in the U.K.

This isn't a socialist agenda, I think you are way off the mark there to be honest.

Any love is good love surely? Why shouldn't Gays have equal rights and be able to live the lives they choose? Who are we to judge their chosen path? As long as people aren't hating on others, I seriously can't see a problem.

Im not advocating that there's a socialist agenda at play, i was simply stating for those who dont know the current french president is a socialist. The reason im pointing it out is because they right always say socialism never works - Well lets see how its working out in france.

Im an absolute supporter of gay marriage, i believe in equal rights for all.

Congrats on France entering the 21st century. As to socialism, why is it such a bad word? Many countries in the west are socialistic and they work just fine. Is it because it's been tainted by false socialism such as the Soviet Union?