Come, find the "narrow path" (gate)...ask God now for the grace to believe

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe

 

Your friend clearly states, as quoted from the transcript, that only the Catholic church has the means to salvation.

No, I was never baptized the way you're talking about. In the church of my upbringing, we were baptized in the spirit, and spoke in tongues.

"I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than 1, whose shoes 1 am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire."

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Give me the quote?

This is from the YouTube transcript that is available from a tab under the video, starting at 45 seconds in the vid.

0:46 Satan hates the catholic church always has
0:49 his sole mission is its destruction again
0:53 heats (?)
0:55 because no other institution organization or faith or religion
0:59 has the means of salvation

The fact is everything anyone knows of Christ came from the Catholic Church less the Old Testament prophecies, she is the faith. Everyone is saved directly or indirectly through the faith, Roman Catholicism.

Makes sense.

That's what the church says. But I'm NOT buying it.

Thanks for your reply windword...was it water baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? I wonder
because Baptism is the beginning, it is not an optional.

Not according to John the Baptist. Not all Christian churches baptize with water.

It is the first time one receives God's presence in their
soul.

I don't believe that for one second!

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Hi windword,

I don't like the dissected posts. I check the transcript too... Look at it in context.


"It’s time to take the gloves off and come out swinging. Satan hates the Catholic Church.
Always has. His sole mission is its destruction. Again .. he HATES it.

Why? Because no other institution or organization or faith or religion has the means of salvation.
They are all man made and do not have the power to save.

This includes not only other religions, but governments, social help programs, social
justice efforts and anything else conjured up in the mind of man.

Jesus Christ establishes the Catholic Church ALONE to be the bulwark against evil .. to
be the ONE body which is commissioned to battle evil until the end of the world. Period."...



God can save who He wishes, He alone knows our hearts. Down here, the Blessed Trinity set up their plan this way, one faith, one Church. Go for the fullest means to God's revelation and grace. I pray and love it if you would recall our ATS discussions when God shows you during the coming "awakening", give God your yes, tell Him "I desire the fullness, to receive Jesus in the most Holy Eucharist."

Jesus who didn't need Baptism was baptized with WATER by John. Jesus explained "born again" to Nicodemus (John 3), He spoke of water, this is water Baptism and read further in Chapter 3, verse 22, Our Lord went out and baptized. The Fathers of the Church all agree, "born again" is water baptism and some of those Fathers were taught by the Apostles.

For anyone reading this who have not been baptized with water in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, there is another form of baptism, it is the baptism of desire.. Tell God in prayer, you wish to be baptized and He will help you and remember your desire. It is NOT your fault if your parents said no. Water baptism is required, Peter proclaimed, repent and be baptized.

Original Sin is true, everyone inherited Original Sin except for Mary, she would carry God inside her! Synonyms for the word "emnity" are opposition and incompatibility. If Jesus or Mary had sinned, they would of cooperated with Satan.

Right now many are saying "no way." Still, we all agree on the fact God wants everyone to believe the same. We are going to live to see it happen, the Remnant is Catholic. The rest as Michael Voris said "ALL man-made and do not have the power to save."


Genesis 3:15:
I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed:...

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

Wow, you're in the hole pretty deep it seems. I don't think you'll be able to climb your way out.

Guess what else fits your description of baptism... childbirth.

It's not optional, it's the "beginning", you receive the spirit for the "first" time, and you are born from your mothers amniotic fluid (water). Being baptized with water and spirit is actually you being born through reincarnation.

Stop believing in fairy tales, you're only digging your own grave.

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3NLIGHT,

Some non-Catholic Christians try to get around water baptism referring to Jesus' "water and spirit", saying this is the "amniotic fluid." It is an excuse, water Baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is required. Everyone is born with Original Sin on their soul. God cannot be where sin is and "Reincarnation" is not true. Which life gains Heaven? Scripture states we die ONCE.


Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment:

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Too bad Jesus raised all those people from the dead. Same with Paul, Peter, and anyone else who raised someone from the dead in the bible.

Are those people still alive since they've already died before? Or did they die again?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by vethumanbeing

3NL1GHT3N3D1
That's what Jesus meant by saying "born again". He didn't mean it in roundabout, beat around the bush type of way, he meant it literally. To be baptized is to be born again, literally.
Why would they try to hide that fact? Because it means people don't only have one chance, but infinite chances. You can't scare people with death threats if they know they won't truly die. Controlling people is a lot easier once you convince them they only have one shot.

Why would the Romans or the Jews fear the notion of an afterlife eternal; because they were in power monitering the unwashed masses. As you say, to control by punishment of physical death (forever death) would compel the people to obey. If they KNEW afterlife was certain, no control no power. Ghandi, Siddhartha, etc.. taught this as well, pacifism even if results in the death of the physical body has no great strength but the after (eternal) life does survive, and if this is a truism, no need to fear subdugation, embrace it instead (turn the cheek and offer the other). What a strange new philosphy for those in power to digest; the/they people seem not to care, not to rebell violently, just by acquiescience accept their fate (as if they knew it). It bothers me that the Romans and the Hieretical Jews of that time period seem to have not brought it back into this century for all to see and understand their mutual contributions to the development of Christianity; AS an UNINTENDED accident, Roman Pagan at that time borrowed heavily from the Greeks not at all monotheiest. The Hebrew, scattered between 3 doctrines, ununited and oddly yawning lovers (how does that work).

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

Too bad Jesus raised all those people from the dead. Same with Paul, Peter, and anyone else who raised someone from the dead in the bible.

Are those people still alive since they've already died before? Or did they die again?

They all died a physical death again and they're soul is in Heaven. At the Final Judgment, they will be reunited
with their body which will be in a glorified state.

Do you understand this "shocker" (to me anyway), this truth? I repeat it a lot, hoping it will wake disbelievers up.

"We are all eternal, we will live forever, choose where you want to go."


God bless you 3NLIGHT,


colbe

Correction ~ I meant to type "their."


"They all died a physical death again and theirsoul is in Heaven. At the Final Judgment, they will be reunited
with their body which will be in a glorified state."

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So men don't only die once? There are exceptions to the rules? You say they died twice but still believe man only dies once? What's the deal here?

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Colbe, I think most of us that respond/contribute to FRT dialog are not looking for salvation, we are aware we are ETERNAL BEINGS; thanks for the cheerleading and good intentions. Have you spotted any atheists yet?

I was dead in mortal sin, I went to Mass on Christmas and Easter and did as I pleased. I didn't know the faith.
I never thought of my soul. Then, I went to a place Mary was appearing in Georgia. That day, I was converted.
I received a special grace, an Actual Grace as Catholics call it. I felt the presence of God the Holy Spirit for
the first time in my life.

Pray, speak to one of the Blessed Trinity or to Our Lord's mother. It would make them so happy. Pray every day from now on even if only for ten minutes. The thing is, the more you pray, the more you want to pray.

I was the prodigal. It was someone else's prayers for me that changed me. I am so very grateful.

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message to the Tenderheart

April 25, 2013


All that You Say, Think, And Do Must Give Me Glory
Children of My Divine Heart,

I Am that I Am. I Am. I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the Great I Am. Hear Me. Open your hearts. Surrender. I will not violate you in any way. Give Me permission to enter within. If you refuse Me, I will respect your decision My heart will break even more, but I will always respect your free will. Beloved, hear Me. I am the only god. I Am your Father on High. I desire great things for you. My Children, as before I command you to love. I command you to be merciful to those I place on your path. Show mercy to others. Witness to My glory. Tell your friends what I have done for you. Show them how grateful you are for My blessings. Show them your love for Me. Many are waiting to see what you will do when you face trials. Many sit by, and wait on you to react. They watch your every move. Be vigilant. Do not compromise your values. Be faith filled. Walk in humility. Obey My every word. Draw near to Me. Let your lives be a testament to My glory. All that you say, think, and do must give Me glory. You would do well to remember this. Break free from sin. Do not give Satan a hold on you. Break free from sin, and persevere for My glory. I place My hope in you. ....


www.jabezinaction.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by colbe

 

Colbe, I think most of us that respond/contribute to FRT dialog are not looking for salvation, we are aware we are ETERNAL BEINGS; thanks for the cheerleading and good intentions. Have you spotted any atheists yet?

I appreciate this reply from you vhb,

I worry, we are closer to prophesied divine events. Most people think of the secular only. I know I repeat a lot but I care. People should read the messages from Heaven, they strengthen your faith and give us all hope. The news is instant and everyone notices life is getting darker, we are near or at the start of the Great Tribulation.

Bookmark at least one daily prophecy link: www.catholicbinder.com... or a non-Catholic prophetic site
ft111.com...


God bless you vethumanbeing,

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

So men don't only die once? There are exceptions to the rules? You say they died twice but still believe man only dies once? What's the deal here?

God makes exceptions but not very many.

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Apparently he's made lots and lots of exceptions. Take the Hebrews for example, they went city to city killing everyone who refused to join them. Didn't god tell them not to kill before all that happened? I guess the Hebrews were the exception to that commandment on many occasions. Pretty convenient for the Hebrews if you ask me.

Much love colbe.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
reply to post by colbe

 

Colbe, I think most of us that respond/contribute to FRT dialog are not looking for salvation, we are aware we are ETERNAL BEINGS; thanks for the cheerleading and good intentions. Have you spotted any atheists yet?

colbe
I appreciate this reply from you vhb,
I worry, we are closer to prophesied divine events. Most people think of the secular only. I know I repeat a lot but I care. People should read the messages from Heaven, they strengthen your faith and give us all hope. The news is instant and everyone notices life is getting darker, we are near or at the start of the Great Tribulation.
Bookmark at least one daily prophecy link: www.catholicbinder.com... or a non-Catholic prophetic site
ft111.com... God bless you vethumanbeing,

IT should bless me as I look at IT everyday in the mirror; luckily I am not armed. Ah the uncertainty of the future, what worries can birth. These are negatives, not healthy or creative; designed to frighten (therefor cripple positive outcome/intent). I think the Buddists have a better handle on this kind of psychological warfare than the Western types. The Middle Eastern are absolutely in Chaos (moderates have no control over their cook pot of extremeists or look the other way). Will time tell? Yes, Armegeddon will be shared and experienced equally between all faiths.

Originally posted by colbe
message to the Tenderheart

April 25, 2013


All that You Say, Think, And Do Must Give Me Glory
Children of My Divine Heart,

I Am that I Am. I Am. I Am the Alpha and the Omega, the Great I Am. Hear Me. Open your hearts. Surrender. I will not violate you in any way.

I find it puzzling that God would need to promote himself as being God.

To me, it smacks of egotism and commercialism. In my view, a sure sign someone is not God is that he/she proclaims themselves to be God. It is like a humble person telling everyone they are humble, which in reality invalidates their supposed humility.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

Apparently he's made lots and lots of exceptions. Take the Hebrews for example, they went city to city killing everyone who refused to join them. Didn't god tell them not to kill before all that happened? I guess the Hebrews were the exception to that commandment on many occasions. Pretty convenient for the Hebrews if you ask me.

Much love colbe.

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Love to you too 3NLIGHT,

God loves all of His creation, all people. In the Old Covenant, groups of people who went against love, who acted in an evil way were WARNED by God, they didn't listen.

I like this comment, some one else asked about God in the Old Covenant.

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Re: What's up with the God of the Old Testament?

"The Purpose of the Old Testament was to teach us and prepare the way for Christ...

...The genocides are looking forward as well to judgement day. None of those people were really killed by a sword, they were already dead in the way that is important, spiritually dead, having rejected God. No such dead person was to be allowed in the promised land.

That is looking forward to the day when we receive the new promised land, heaven. No person who rejects God will be allowed in that land...

The whole promised land showed how the most worthless nation in the whole world was invincible with God on their side.

It displays God's majesty, proves that there is indeed a God and indeed who God is. So that people can see that, be brought to REPENTANCE and eternal life.

It's a warning, and a promise all rolled into one.
Our gracious and merciful God has done this and thus revealed himself in order to save people, but the response of many is only that it is all unbelievable and not fair. ...


forums.catholic.com...

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So it was to teach and prepare the way for Christ? How is killing people teaching them anything or preparing them for anything? If they were sinners and unbelievers, then why did god cut them short of repentance? Wouldn't letting them live have given them a better chance at redemption than cutting that chance off by killing them?

What need was there to kill them if they weren't going to make it to heaven anyways? Did killing them prevent them from reaching heaven? As in if they weren't killed, would they have reached heaven?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

So it was to teach and prepare the way for Christ? How is killing people teaching them anything or preparing them for anything? If they were sinners and unbelievers, then why did god cut them short of repentance? Wouldn't letting them live have given them a better chance at redemption than cutting that chance off by killing them?

What need was there to kill them if they weren't going to make it to heaven anyways? Did killing them prevent them from reaching heaven? As in if they weren't killed, would they have reached heaven?

Reread my last post, I already answered you. You posted one line of it here and proceeded to say the same thing again. Why do you want to find fault, unfairness with God, it's your disbelief. And where does that get
you 3NL?

God desires to save everyone, it's free will that stops them. He favors those who choose to follow His way,
which is goodness and love.

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How does he plan on saving people if he orders them to be killed before they can repent? You didn't answer the meat of my question. If god truly wanted those people to be saved, he would have given them the chance to repent, but instead he ordered their murders. Why is that?

I don't deny god, I know there is one, I just don't think he is contained within a book, any book for that matter.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

How does he plan on saving people if he orders them to be killed before they can repent? You didn't answer the meat of my question. If god truly wanted those people to be saved, he would have given them the chance to repent, but instead he ordered their murders. Why is that?

I don't deny god, I know there is one, I just don't think he is contained within a book, any book for that matter.

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What OT God intended massacre are you referring t 3NLIGHT? Post the exact verses. Thanks!!!

Sounds to me like you disbelieve with your questions, I wish you would believe in who He really is, the most loving God.

It is the Protestant belief everything God has revealed is written in the Bible. Not true, this is heresy. There is more, libraries full. God has revealed Himself and we know how, first in the Old Covenant and now in the New Covenant through the oral teachings passed down from the Apostles, the magisterial teachings of the Church in the last 2000 years, the written Word and in prophecy (private revelation).

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

. . . would have given them the chance to repent, but instead he ordered their murders.

You are probably thinking of the Old Testament.
That book tells a story of wiping out cities at a time for whatever reason.
Some or most of those never actually happened, and probably none, the way it is told.
Regardless, if they happened or not, it isn't because God ordered it, or sent fire from heaven to destroy them.
Christians don't have to accept the OT as being strictly literal or accurate, but is more a record of Jewish beliefs that form a background of the genesis of Christianity.