Catholic rebel group is criticising new pope; ATS Catholics, what do you think?

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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
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You'll get yourself banned, colbe, by attacking me that way.

I'd regret that, too, because for all our differences, I really am interested in what you think. It's pretty obvious you're too upset to listen calmly and to think about anyone else's perspective, let alone its merits. Take a deep breath, and calm down, please.

THAT VIDEO is not targeting Catholics!! It is pointing out how instilling fear of hell and teaching original sin and worthlessness is damaging to the soul of children.
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Like I said and your first words posted again.

I am defending the faith. You are trying to get me banned.

Anyone watching that awful video sees it is an attack on Christianity, of which it's fullness is Roman Catholicism. Look at it's source.




posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 03:00 PM
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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 03:15 PM
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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 03:18 PM
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Alright. This will end NOW! Any further disruption and there will be disruptions in peoples posting privileges.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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Thanks, intrepid. Sorry. I was floundering.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid
Alright. This will end NOW! Any further disruption and there will be disruptions in peoples posting privileges.


I'll leave wildtime's thread moderator. Everyone reads them, it goes on every day at ATS. I try to defend the faith against the many attacks.

I did say God bless you to the OP.

Pope Francis is holy.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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I'm not Catholic, but I do think Francis is taking the church in the right direction. Jesus was totally against any kind of material wealth, the Catholic church is one of, if not THE wealthiest institution in the world. I'm pretty sure if Jesus were around today, he would be disgusted by what he sees the church that supposedly upholds his teachings has become.

As for Francis himself, I can't shake the feeling that he's just putting on a show to save face for the church. Whether he actually believes in what he is doing is up in the air for me. I just can't 100% buy into it because of the churches history in general.

In my opinion, Francis wouldn't have been elected pope if he wasn't going to be part of the church's agenda. The church has too much money and too many friends in high up places to elect someone who is not going to go along with their plan. I have a feeling the new pope might be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

S&F OP.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 04:53 PM
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You judge a tree by the fruit it bears. Pope Francis has lead a simple life. He leads by example and the Church sorely needed a Francis who cares for the poor and nature.

It's knives out time when people don't get their pay raises and their cash cow gets threatened. What the Vatican insiders don't like about him is what the people do like.

Pope Francis



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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Thanks for the reply.


If you judge a tree by its fruit, then what do the Crusades and Inquisitions say about the RCC? They've sprouted some pretty rotten fruit throughout history, and as Jesus said:


Matthew 7
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.


If the church truly is a good thing for the world, they would have never ordered those two things to be carried out in my opinion.
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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady
 


Thanks for the reply.


If you judge a tree by its fruit, then what do the Crusades and Inquisitions say about the RCC? They've sprouted some pretty rotten fruit throughout history, and as Jesus said:


Matthew 7
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.


If the church truly is a good thing for the world, they would have never ordered those two things to be carried out in my opinion.
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Over the course of 2000 plus years there will be bad fruit and there will be good fruit, too.

People are human. People do wrong. They are not perfect.

You picked the wrong person to ask that question. I have friends, relatives and fairly recent ancestors that lived solely for the Lord. They lead saintly lives and contributed much to the betterment of society.

Throughout the ages, the Catholic Church has had people who were saints. If you spend a little time reading about them you might know what kind of a difference they made. Sure there were rotten popes and evil times.

I'm white and when someone expects me to accept responsibility for slavery I am not too willing to buy the guilt. So don't ask me to go back as far as the Crusades to defend something I was not a part of and wouldn't condone..

If you want to know a current example of good fruit look up Catholic Urban Programs of East St. Louis. If that tree got chopped down or never existed.....

catholicurbanprograms.org...

Thank you for sharing your thoughts as well.





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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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I agree entirely, lady.
Thanks for chiming in here.

I think he's awesome, so far!!



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:52 PM
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I'm white and when someone expects me to accept responsibility for slavery I am not too willing to buy the guilt.

YES! That.
I had nothing to do with that situation.
I also had nothing to do with the treatment of the Native Americans.

I feel awful about BOTH of those situations.........and wish they had never happened.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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Do you subscribe to original sin? If so, isn't that the same thing as your slavery argument? How can we be responsible for what Eve did? We had nothing to do with her decision to bite that apple just like we have nothing to do with slavery.
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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady
 


Do you subscribe to original sin? If so, isn't that the same thing as your slavery argument? How can we be responsible for what Eve did? We had nothing to do with her decision to bite that apple just like we have nothing to do with slavery.
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I am not responsible for man having a sinful nature. I did not create myself. I will not spend my life feeling guilty for the sins of someone else. I think I'll let someone else tell you how I feel about my sins. He says it better than I could.


“It is not hatred that is wrong, it is hating the wrong thing that is wrong. It is not anger that is wrong, it is being angry at the wrong thing that is wrong. Tell me your enemy, and I will tell you what you are. Tell me your hatred, and I will tell you your character. Do you hate religion? Then your conscience bothers you. Do you hate the wealthy? Then you are avaricious, and you want to be wealthy. [b"]Do you hate sin? Then you love God. Do you hate your hate, your selfishness, your quick temper, your wickedness? Then you are a good soul, for ‘if any man come to me… and hate not his own life, he cannot be my disciple’ Luke 14:26” Archbishop Fulton Sheen (Victory over Vice)



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 11:25 PM
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Eve was part of man (Adam), so why do you feel like Jesus is needed in order to forgive sins if you do not feel responsible for other men's actions?

I don't agree with anything your quote said, but I respect yours and his opinions.
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posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 12:29 AM
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I wanted to share something and I'll leave again. Popes are not perfect, we are all sinners with a fallen nature. There have been a few rotten Popes and a couple of non-popes who were NOT duly elected in 2000 years of Christian history.

But, never, never, never has a Pope erred on faith and morals. It is a gift from God.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady
 


Eve was part of man (Adam), so why do you feel like Jesus is needed in order to forgive sins if you do not feel responsible for other men's actions?

I don't agree with anything your quote said, but I respect yours and his opinions.
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This is how Our Lord set it up, read John 20:23. He understands, we need assurance of His forgiveness (the priest's words of absolution).

And you receive, there is God's grace given in the Sacrament of Confession.

Notice, Jesus was speaking to the first priests. The verse in John, Chapter 20, you have to hear someone's sins to forgive them.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 12:34 AM
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I think hes doing just fine so far. Ill leave it at that.



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 01:08 AM
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There have been Jesuits in the background of countless earth changing events.
The book Mein Kampf...written buy a Jesuit.
Countless other examples of jesuits lurking in the back ground as mentors advisors, confidants, and instigatos.
History is replete with Jesuit inspired bloodbaths.
just sayin...could this humble pie be just another ploy?

i think so.





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