reply to post by freedomSlave
I comprimise with freedom and liberty. Nothing else will quench my thirst.
If prohibitive laws work, then just make acts like murder, or shooting people in general, illegal. That should do the trick, right? Do you not see
the fallacy in the idea that people obey laws? People obey laws that are convenient all of the time. They will usually obey laws that are
inconvenient when they think they will be caught. They will ignore laws that are inconvenient when either they believe they won't be caught, or they
are dim (either just stupid, or mentally ill....both affected by impulse control).
On the other hand, if you are worried about the crazies that are getting guns, let me first point out that Adam Lanza used guns not registered to him,
but readily accessible to him. Beyond that, the only real way to effect change is to improve mental health care.
In the late 90's a whole new series of antipsychotics cleared "testing" phases and were put into full use. Drugs like Seroquel, Zyprexa,
Clozaril.....these drugs were highly effective and treating psychosis. And the undesirable side effects were almost eliminated (look up Tardive
Dyskenesia or extrapyramidal symptoms related to antipsychotics like haldol and thorazine). So you saw a large improvement in medication compliance,
and a reduction in the revolving door effect that had plagued the mental health industry for years.
With the loss of patients to fill beds, many hospitals converted to "forensic" hospitals (or risk closure and loss of jobs). They sought to address
the long observed issue of the mentally population in prisons. So now you have these hospitals that are converted to handle forensic patients. They
are dangerous to nonforensic patients, so you don't really intermingle patients. Further, the skills needed to care for a forensic patient (with
their own set of patients rights concepts that are infused with prisoners rights) are different. In short: the hospitals that provided inpatient
care 20 years ago are no more. Patient care is typically pushed to a privatized (yet formerly state funded) community mental health service.
So, you want to decrease the mentally ill usage of guns to kill folks? There is a good start right there: create bed space for inpatient care.
But while you are doing that, remember that in addition to Adam Lanza's access to guns not registered to him, there is also the issue of the Denver
shooter not having any real mental health history. So he had seen a therapist.....he had yet to "enter the system". There had been very little paper
trail to support a meaningful diagnosis. So I am unsure how what you are proposing would have been relevant with either of the cases that are in your
mind. I realize it may make you FEEL more safe. But how you feel has no bearing on the reality of your situation.
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