Nazi Style Raids. Boston Bombing. Video Going Viral.

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posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 07:00 PM
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This is not a case of hot pursuit. It would be if an officer saw a suspect run into the house, not the case here. If hot pursuit applied like you say, it would justify searching, without a warrant, every house in a couple of block radius everytime police lost sight of a suspect.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU and others are going to have a field day with this. I think the city, state, and feds will probably settle before trial as well, especially if no criminal charges are filed against people who refused search.

The above being said, I'm glad they caught one alive, but really disappointed at how far the people in the city thatwas the cradle of our revolution have fallen.



SMR

posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 09:34 PM
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I think most here on ATS would rather Law Enforcement be limited to horseback and swords ...
Maybe just like Monroe Militia !
Seems to me that many people were still out on the streets and not one of them arrested for doing so.
I also heard on the BPD scanner that they needed to alert civilians who were in the line of fire as they were cornering the suspect. Never heard 'arrest them' but rather, 'we need to get those people out of the way' .. you know, because they were all there waiting to catch the scene as it went down on their iPhones ...



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by jefwane
This is not a case of hot pursuit. It would be if an officer saw a suspect run into the house, not the case here. If hot pursuit applied like you say, it would justify searching, without a warrant, every house in a couple of block radius everytime police lost sight of a suspect.

I'm pretty sure the ACLU and others are going to have a field day with this. I think the city, state, and feds will probably settle before trial as well, especially if no criminal charges are filed against people who refused search.

The above being said, I'm glad they caught one alive, but really disappointed at how far the people in the city thatwas the cradle of our revolution have fallen.


Please enlighten me as to how you *know* what the case is in the OP video. Perhaps an officer did see the suspect near the house. Perhaps credible sources had told them the terrorist was nearby. Even if they weren't in "hot pursuit," they do not need a warrant if imminent harm is likely.

Moreover, how do you know they lacked a warrant?



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by Hopechest
I see nothing illegal there.

Apparently the people consented to a search, which is their right.

Consent:

Voluntarily acquiescing or complying with a request, by someone of sufficient mental capacity; a decision made in the absence of coercion or duress. Whether or not a party has given voluntary consent is determined by the totality of the circumstances.ht. I didn't see anyone breaking down any doors.


At first I agreed.

Then I watched the video and I very much disagree. People are being forced from there homes at gun point. That's very serious.


SMR

posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 11:11 PM
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Every think it just appears to be that way ? Perhaps the Police are just keeping guard, otherwise, if the suspect was there, he'd get a few shots off and wound or even kill at least a few.
Do you go into a fight with your fists up or down to your side ? Guess what happens with 'down to your side'



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 11:46 PM
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The OP's inability to think critically about the conditions behind this isolated instance of "warrantless search", is a little sad. His baseless, ignorant fearmongering and sensationalizing actually does more harm than good.

The fact the opening post has stars of agreement attached to it, is even more sad.

The thing is, Boston was clearly, obviously, and undoubtedly a very special, isolated, unique, "once-in-a-decade" (figuratively speaking) event. It would therefore logically follow that the actions of law enforcement would also TEMPORARILY go "above and beyond normal operating procedure".

If you do not understand this, and are incapable of thinking in a grayscale, your opinions cannot be taken seriously by any rational thinking person.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 12:50 AM
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Sounds like your being defensively over the use of military style tactics which were use in Boston why is that i wonder?



If you do not understand this, and are incapable of thinking in a grayscale, your opinions cannot be taken seriously by any rational thinking person.


The majority of the users in this thread who responded will and might disagree with you on this topic i will report you as nothing more then an attack on the thread op.
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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 02:30 AM
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gotta be careful on the streets of moscow and afghanistan. might get some people with assault rifles screaming at you to open your door.

oh wait that was America? #.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 06:49 AM
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Watching the initial video, I suspected that this might have been the home of people who perhaps knew the suspects. I counted, on the LiveLeak video, a total of TEN adult-sized people leaving the one house. Hence, i was suspicious. Doing more research, I have seen some interesting videos.

Here, we see armed folk checking an open garage, and looking around yards and the like:


Here, they seem to be going door-to-door, but the video doesn't show anyone being removed at gunpoint:



Then, here we have a news clip about police "rescuing" people from homes, but there isn't any comment on when this was,or if this was the neighborhood the suspect was seen in:



Nor does any of this state if people were asked if their homes could be searched or not, or if they were asked, if anyone said, "No.", and what the response was, if any. I do know they reported clearing homes in the area where he was sighted, and found to be in the backyard in that boat, but I have yet to see any clear confirmation of a search of every home, in this or that area. At this stage, it's difficult to say if rights were violated or not.

IF they asked to search, and were told they could not, and had no probable cause to believe the suspect was in that home, and they forced a search, that would be a clear violation of rights. If they searched every single home in an area, for the sole purpose of determining the suspect wasn't there, when they had no reason to believe he was, that is a violation of rights.

If, on the other hand, they had a report of him in an area, and gained consent to check a home, that would be legal. If they suspected someone of harboring, because of some known association, that would be legal. If they believed a family was being held hostage, and searched, that would be legal.

At this stage, is it possible to get unbiased reports of what happened? Do we have an accurate and verifiable count of how many homes were searched, and under what conditions? Whether said homes were in the neighborhood where the blood was spotted, and he was found hiding?

I am all for finding a bad guy, but there would be no call to search any and all homes in a large area. Certainly, there would be no call to do so without consent, and no valid reason to believe the guy was in said homes. Backyards, open garages, sheds, pools, etc? Sure. Inside homes? No. Knock, talk to people there, see if they seem distressed, and ask if the home is secure. Recommend that people stay inside for safety, but don't force it. A lot of force could be needed, depending on the circumstances, but it isn't clear here if this went too far or not.

I do find it interesting that Bloomberg talks as though he would LOVE for things to be as bad as they possibly could be, in regards to rights violations. That is telling. Anyone know what the officials in Boston are saying about that issue? Anyone in the area, that saw any of this firsthand, or with friends or relatives there that did? We need to know exactly how this was handled, and any rights violations need to be addressed, and corrected.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 08:51 AM
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A few days ago I was able to watch a couple video clips that had since been taken down from YouTube a couple hours later when I went back to find and post their links in this thread. One was a TV news report with action video and news anchor commentary about door-to-door police searches of homes in Watetown.

One man interviewed in the newsclip spoke of being shocked by sudden police presence in his home and ordering him outside. He asked if he could get his shoes and was told, "Just get out, now!" Others interviewed spoke of being kept rounded and out of their homes for hours wondering when they might be able to go back in. Other comments heard suggested people who authorities encountered outside of were ordered to go inside and remain in their homes while others encountered inside their homes were ordered out and were detained in a location down the street for possibly hours.

The clips showed armed police vehicles and officers in SWAT-like gear encountering and escorting people out of their homes and up the street with their hands overhead. It appears some reports and commentary in this thread are at least somewhat accurate and steps have been taken to downplay events and remove some of the more inflammatory and revealing scenarios. Videos I found subsequently were among some you posted above and did not reveal a great deal of details about the events of that day in Watertown.

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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by 0x00000017
The OP's inability to think critically about the conditions behind this isolated instance of "warrantless search", is a little sad. His baseless, ignorant fearmongering and sensationalizing actually does more harm than good.

The fact the opening post has stars of agreement attached to it, is even more sad.

The thing is, Boston was clearly, obviously, and undoubtedly a very special, isolated, unique, "once-in-a-decade" (figuratively speaking) event. It would therefore logically follow that the actions of law enforcement would also TEMPORARILY go "above and beyond normal operating procedure".

If you do not understand this, and are incapable of thinking in a grayscale, your opinions cannot be taken seriously by any rational thinking person.


You sir, couldn't be farther from the truth. What I see here are people giving up liberty for security and all out of their FEAR. Just as I originally posted.

The only FEARmongering going on here was solely perpetrated by the police/government.

1 suspect on the loose and they need to lockdown an ENTIRE city!? They NEED to search House to House for 1 suspect!!? This kid wasn't carrying around a portable nuclear device ok? There's no need for such tactics.

I can cite other events in history (even RECENT history) that were much worse than the Boston marathon that did not go as far as locking down an entire city, shutting down all mass transit, ordering business's to stay closed etc.

The only ignorance here is your baseless argument which is in favor of law enforcement/military/government being able to use this kind of power.

As Far as rational thinking people go you don't seem to be one of them. The only thing you have accomplished in your comment is argue that I as the OP, am Ignorant, that I am Fear mongering, that I am unable to think critically and that I am sensationalizing. Yet in all of your argumentative rabble you never once offer a contrasting perspective on this subject, nor do you offer any critical analysis. So excuse me for saying so but I cannot take anything you just stated as serious as your comments have no substance other than attempted insults.

You see I don't have to TRY to argue my point as the Video I posted speaks entirely for itself. Thanks for trying. Have a nice life!



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by S3rvoV3ritas
They NEED to search House to House for 1 suspect!!?


Wow! That is unheard of in the history of law enforcement!

How would one suspect EVER get in a house?!



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:19 PM
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Boy were we wrong!
Thinking that these scenes were depicting martial law enforcement-trainees terrorizing the families living in those sub-divisions of Watertown, Mass.

We should embrace the gawky viral propaganda designed to counter such negative impressions by showing the true, kinder and gentler face of the ridiculously over-militarized LEO.

Take for instance this candid photo, showing a police officer laboring under the cumulative weight of 2 gallons of whole milk (plus his 30 lbs of paramilitary getup); all so that one family at least, wouldn't be missing breakfast Friday morning as their home was being invaded by Storm Troopers.

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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by buckrogerstime

Originally posted by S3rvoV3ritas
They NEED to search House to House for 1 suspect!!?


Wow! That is unheard of in the history of law enforcement!

How would one suspect EVER get in a house?!


I am really not sure what you mean by this comment. Care to elaborate?



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by S3rvoV3ritas

Originally posted by buckrogerstime

Originally posted by S3rvoV3ritas
They NEED to search House to House for 1 suspect!!?


Wow! That is unheard of in the history of law enforcement!

How would one suspect EVER get in a house?!


I am really not sure what you mean by this comment. Care to elaborate?


No, I agree with you. I can't believe police had to search house to house for ONE suspect! I mean, come on! When have they *ever* had to do that? Can you think of one other time?



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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-Double post.
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posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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What disturbs me most about all of this, beyond the obvious, is the fact that very few people seem to be discussing the risky nature of an operation like this.

The police in the United States have a rather colorful, and trigger-happy history when it comes to raiding homes. We often hear stories of pets being laid to waste by automatic weapons, and jumpy people getting peppered with lead -- sometimes even in the wrong house.

What happens if someone is taken totally by surprise, or a situation gets completely misread? That will happen, and people will die.

You can't just put the pedal to the metal on policing situations like this, it will always end in tragedy. Especially if it continues, as complacency and apathy sets in. Frankly it is a miracle nothing went wrong during this operation (so far as we know), as plenty did go wrong during the Chistoper Dorner manhunt, where completely innocent bystanders were shot up on the street, in broad daylight.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Yes good point!! That is what many people are trying to argue but the ones who support the tactics used by law enforcement just want to look the other way when using this argument. There have been atrocities that were MUCH more severe than this event and the same tactics were never used.

Why is it when you present logical evidence coupled with logical explanation's people STILL try to defend the actions of the police/military/government. I have never seen a more severe case of denial in all my years.



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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That was actually a photo of the police getting replenished on milk for their donuts....



posted on Apr, 25 2013 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by S3rvoV3ritas
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That was actually a photo of the police getting replenished on milk for their donuts....


I seriously wouldn't doubt it.

No Joke: Cops Request “Dunkin Donuts” in Boston Remain Open During $333 Million City Shutdown

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