'Free Jahar:' Boston bomb suspect's cult following

Originally posted by Moshpet
Likely, it's the same sort of people that think PFC Manning didn't break the laws either.
The level of denial and insanity of those sorts escapes me.
M.

Yeah PFC Manning broke the laws. So did many of the people/governments/corporations in the information he got out. Might I add without regard for what could happen to himself if caught.

Sounds more like a man doing his job which entails protecting the citizens of the United States of America from all threats foreign and domestic.

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

 

Will these people still stand behind this man if he's proven guilty? (In my mind, I've no doubt he's guilty).

regardless he still did it. Let's say the anti-government, anti-american extremists have it right. That the CIA or FBI convinced him to do the act. How does that make him any less culpable for his actions anyways? Fact is - it doesn't. He's still responsible for his own actions - whether it was following his brother, a terrorist cell, or even our government's orders.

Wow, I am amazed by your comment. You are more concerned about making a man answer for his role in murdering people with a pressure cooker - than making our government accountable for its role in murdering those people by using We-The-People's military that is equipped with drones, armored vehicles and crooked secret service agencies?

IMO, you are buying into the paranoia generated by the media that the greatest threat to our lifes is, being killed by a terrorist.

Originally posted by cconn487

 

Yeah PFC Manning broke the laws. So did many of the people/governments/corporations in the information he got out. Might I add without regard for what could happen to himself if caught.

Sounds more like a man doing his job which entails protecting the citizens of the United States of America from all threats foreign and domestic.

The government does not like it when somebody exposes THEIR crimes.

Why the extremist? why must i be an 'Extremist' because of my Anti-Government views?, are you an extremist because you are pro government and America?

why does the Terrorist and Extremist label get thrown around freely?

Originally posted by Darth_Prime

 

Why the extremist? why must i be an 'Extremist' because of my Anti-Government views?, are you an extremist because you are pro government and America?

why does the Terrorist and Extremist label get thrown around freely?

Extremist, Racist, Islamophobe, Bigot, Truther, Conspiracy Theorist, Birther, Astroturf are all words to insult people who speak their mind. Having an opinion is no longer acceptable in "the freeist country on earth".

You are not an extremist, do not consider being called "extremist" an insult, consider it a compliment and consider who it is coming from.

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by Darth_Prime

 

Why the extremist? why must i be an 'Extremist' because of my Anti-Government views?, are you an extremist because you are pro government and America?

why does the Terrorist and Extremist label get thrown around freely?

Extremist, Racist, Islamophobe, Bigot, Truther, Conspiracy Theorist, Birther, Astroturf are all words to insult people who speak their mind. Having an opinion is no longer acceptable in "the freeist country on earth".

You are not an extremist, do not consider being called "extremist" an insult, consider it a compliment and consider who it is coming from.

Indeed, 'Water off a ducks back'

i find no insult, only this past week i have been grouped into 'Terrorist' and 'Extremist' because of my Anti-Government Anarchist beliefs,

it's not the insults, but the ignorance that is maddening

Wow! From the source:

"He's ******* innocent. If he were 'guilty', it wouldn't take this long to ******** prove it, and there would actually be evidence," said Twitter user, @sedathemermaid.

How long is it supposed to take to prove someone's guilt? It's been a whole week! I swear, kids these days! If something doesn't happen in Internet Time, they have no patience for it. I'm surprised they've not forgotten about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and moved onto the next conspiracy news story... It's nuts!

They just apprehended "jahar" the other day, he's in the hospital, there's TONS of evidence and he hasn't had a trial yet. Just how are they determining that he's innocent? Through his dreamy child-like eyes? Legally, he's innocent until proven guilty, but give it a minute for his trial. A couple weeks anyway!

This illustrates several sad and bothersome outcomes of our crazed society.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

 

Wow! From the source: ....

This illustrates several sad and bothersome outcomes of our crazed society.

Wow, you judge society being "crazed" because of a twitter post?

Do you know this poster? Do you know this is a real person?

You ASSUME that nobody would want to give you a wrong impression, right?

And this twitter post is justification for our new police state?

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
This makes me angry.

Really? Wow.

Will these people still stand behind this man if he's proven guilty? (In my mind, I've no doubt he's guilty).

Sadly, yes.

Some of them are Al Qaida sympathizers. Some of them hate America for a variety of reasons. A tiny minority are just (for lack of a better word) violence/"badboy" fans -- Charles Manson still has a lot of devoted female fans who would marry him in a heartbeat, and it's not unusual for convicted murderers to find a lot of pen pals while in prison.

Human nature is fascinating, but not always logical.

reply to post by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman
Wow, you judge society being "crazed" because of a twitter post?

Ummm. No. I have judged society as being crazed from over 50 years experience observing it.

And this twitter post is justification for our new police state?

You're seriously accusing me of assuming??? I said nothing like that. Reading through your posts in this thread, I see you making a lot of assumptions, in fact. But this isn't about me or you. It's about people who jump to the conclusion that this suspect is innocent, in the face of evidence to the contrary, NOT about how guilty or innocent the government is, NOR my views on the government. Careful, don't assume here.

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

 

Wow, I am amazed by your comment. You are more concerned about making a man answer for his role in murdering people with a pressure cooker - than making our government accountable for its role in murdering those people by using We-The-People's military that is equipped with drones, armored vehicles and crooked secret service agencies?

edit on 23-4-2013 by ThinkingHuman because: (no reason given)

How is this about you? Personally? Am I suppose to somehow feel responsible for making a statement you take exception to? I don't like extremism. It's why I joined the military - to take care of the soldier out there in battle zones fighting extremism. My political views are mine. I'll never EVER stand with people who plot to kill innocent people. Or stand behind somebody who does. I'm not saying you don't have the right to your views. Have your views. But mine are different, and I'm entitled to my views to.

I'm very aware that their are problems in my government. BUT - if I have a problem - I'll try to solve it the right way. As explained to us in our constitution. By hounding my elected representation and peacefully protesting. You go right on ahead thinking and dreaming about how you would deal with it - however way you wish.

Cirque

edit on 23-4-2013 by CirqueDeTruth because: sentence reconstruction

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

 

I have judged society as being crazed from over 50 years experience observing it.

50 years? Maybe that is why you did not notice it changed in the past few years. But you quoted not 50 years worth of material, you quoted exactly one twitter post - and concluded from that one post that society is "crazed".

You're seriously accusing me of assuming???

Of course you are assuming that the twitter post is ligit. Or have you known the twitter poster for 50 years also? I am not arguing innocence of the bomber, I am telling you, you have not presented any evidence to justify your conclusion of "crazed". Except a quote of one twitter post.

I took a look at that twitter trend when it surfaced.. and i need to point a few things out, as it's not black/white

Many, and i mean MANY of the more recent "supporters" joined the "cause" due to outright lyching and posts like

"Give me 1 minute with him, he'll know what pain is"
&
"kill him, evil scum must die"

This was before he had even woken up, the hate was volcanic.. and i dare say alot joined in support of a guy that hadn't even said his part yet..

It was disgusting, and made me feel ashamed to be a human, no i didn't "join" but i did voice that opinion early on in the feed, im too scared to look at my account (since that post) for fear of death threats honestly.

Cause = effect

Originally posted by Moshpet
Likely, it's the same sort of people that think PFC Manning didn't break the laws either.
The level of denial and insanity of those sorts escapes me.

Sadly, yes.

Some people are cold dead stupid. Many of them are also on ATS. After you read that Moon in fact has a breathable atmosphere and this fact is concealed by the government, or that HAARP caused an earthquake, and of course the evil chemtrails in the skies produced by the evil government... Jokhar's innocence does not seem like a big stretch, never mind he was in a fire fight with the cops... It was a holographic projection, perhaps...

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

 

How is this about you? Personally? Am I suppose to somehow feel responsible for making a statement you take exception to? I don't like extremism. It's why I joined the military - to take care of the soldier out there in battle zones fighting extremism. My political views are mine. I'll never EVER stand with people who plot to kill innocent people. Or stand behind somebody who does. I'm not saying you don't have the right to your views. Have your views. But mine are different, and I'm entitled to my views to.

I'm very aware that their are problems in my government. BUT - if I have a problem - I'll try to solve it the right way. As explained to us in our constitution. By hounding my elected representation and peacefully protesting. You go right on ahead thinking and dreaming about how you would deal with it - however way you wish.

Maybe you misunderstood what I said. This is not about me personally. And of course you are entitled to your opinion. That is why I am discussing with you, because we are both entitled to it. I did not insult you nor did I intend to. I said I was amazed by you comment. Not because you are against murderers, I am too, but because you recognized the culpability of the government but did not condemn it for its involvement.

Now you are saying that people need to go about fixing it according to the Constitution. Okay, have you done so? Have you advocated for it? How can it be done according to the Constitution?

I am asking because it seems to me that the four most recent Presidents and 90% of Congress do not obey the Constitution in the first place. So if you know what should be done please let me know.

reply to post by ThinkingHuman


I already stated the answer to you questions.

By contacting your elected representation and making your stance known. If that doesn't work, then get a large, large group of people who agree with you that this is a false flag (I don't see one here, personally) and march and use your own voice to speak for yourself. If everyone was so upset and feel the government was responsible and not these two men - where are the crowds that are marching? We don't have them, because right now, we have a young society in America who has bought into the extremist/terrorist propaganda - and think their only avenue left is violence!

Those are our avenues. Contacting our elected representation to speak for us - and peaceful protestation - because in my mind - violence is NOT an option. I'll fight for my country against anybody who think that violence is the way to go. Period.

ETA - And I understand that this a side of my personality - many on this site has never seen. It must be unsettling I suppose - being I'm usually in the spiritual and ufo threads where I can dream of sugar plums and lemon drops and peace on Earth. When I get into the political threads - the warrior woman in me come out and I sympathize with my soldiers I took care of in war and all of those civilians hurt - not the terrorists.

Cirque

Originally posted by Darth_Prime
i believe him and his brother innocent and this being controlled by government agents,

Controlled by alien agents...get it right....

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Moshpet
Likely, it's the same sort of people that think PFC Manning didn't break the laws either.
The level of denial and insanity of those sorts escapes me.

Sadly, yes.

Some people are cold dead stupid. Many of them are also on ATS. After you read that Moon in fact has a breathable atmosphere and this fact is concealed by the government, or that HAARP caused an earthquake, and of course the evil chemtrails in the skies produced by the evil government... Jokhar's innocence does not seem like a big stretch, never mind he was in a fire fight with the cops... It was a holographic projection, perhaps...

Maybe you should stop reading ATS if you hate the posts here so much.

But do tell me why are you so paranoid about people voicing their ideas, which in your opinion are "insanity"?

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Moshpet
Likely, it's the same sort of people that think PFC Manning didn't break the laws either.
The level of denial and insanity of those sorts escapes me.

Sadly, yes.

Some people are cold dead stupid. Many of them are also on ATS. After you read that Moon in fact has a breathable atmosphere and this fact is concealed by the government, or that HAARP caused an earthquake, and of course the evil chemtrails in the skies produced by the evil government... Jokhar's innocence does not seem like a big stretch, never mind he was in a fire fight with the cops... It was a holographic projection, perhaps...

Maybe you should stop reading ATS if you hate the posts here so much.

Wait, I didn't say anything about the OTHER kind of posts, produced by well informed and educated people who mastered critical thinking.

But do tell me why are you so paranoid about people voicing their ideas, which in your opinion are "insanity"?

I can tell you why I am paranoid. I think that knowledge is a valuable part of human culture, and I hold it in high respect. I also see that some of the visitors coming here to this site may not have a lot of pre-existing knowledge or info and they mine ATS for that. For those people whose critical thinking skills are not the best, it then becomes a dreadful source of disinfo. I do insist that there it no breathable air on the Moon. Your mileage may vary.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, that does make for the list of the most extremist anti-government and anti-establishment individuals this nation has to offer. How kind of them to so openly offer themselves up to be indexed. Heck. I was worried they might come for people like me. I can see they have quite a list to get through before coming to those who are sincere dissenters.

Unless reasonable proof stands that the guy is innocent? (I'm seeing 100% the opposite myself), then it's standing in line to support a murderer and terrorist. I wonder how many friends Timothy McVeigh would have gotten if he'd have done his animal act today instead of 1995? I'll bet he'd have had a real following. Sad.... Very sad to see what things have come to.

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Where do you expect the proof to come from, the government??

Really if you want truth you gotta search for it. I love how "the black helicopter crowd" picks and chooses what is kosher and what is not. If muslims did it...GUILTY AS HELL, if someone else did it...no way!

Government is A-OK when it comes to demonising muslims or demonising socialism. We saw this against north korea and we see it now with the boston bombings. There is absolutely no way some private security firm could have pulled it off despite being there in the first place, a drill being planned that day and the bag at the bombing matching craft int.