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Legs blown off yet NO chair damage and salt pots, plastic cups still on table... Impossibility !!

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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 05:54 AM
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Its kinda funny how comments like these are ignored. Lets stick to the vacuum story.

As I sad before, even the chairs are crisp clean and they are snow white. They should atleast be dirty from the smoke. I use a wood fire, if the door is open even a little, I see dust and dirt.

And I will repost this.

Slightly odd no? OR did the masses form a perfect human shield so the cafee would survive.
If an explosion occurs, I imagine those people would DUCK and GRAB and cover their face behind the chair, well that's what I would do.

That would leave some nasty prints on the chair( even if it was just dirt ). Yet windows and chairs clean.


Someone replied that they wouldn't have time to duck. But people will always duck and then run, I have never ever seen someone running when something goes bang. ITs your instinct. Duck, Look and then run.




posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 06:15 AM
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Yes, when you actually compare explosion characteristics closely you will see that calling this a "pipe bomb/pressure cooker" is probably inaccurate. As there is no real shrapnel damage visible in any photos I have seen.

Unless I am missing a lot of info, so far it seems that the "bomb" was little more than a glorified pouch of fireworks, stage explosives.

This is very troubling.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 06:16 AM
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You would expect at least 1% of the sets of windows would have a crack in them.
A small puncture of some sort.

I'll go check other photos and see if I am maybe missing the bigger picture. Maybe there are a ton of broken windows all over? I'll investigate on Google. Thanks for the reply.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 06:51 AM
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Update.

In the photos right after the event, there are 2 broken windows noticable directly in front of the blast zone.

However, the surrounding windows all appear intact still (on higher floors, other buildings). I'll keep looking around.

So we do have some form of evidence of projectiles busting windows (either people falling into them or stuff flying through them), but at the same time, we have a whole lot of intact windows.

The intact windows reveals the power of the explosion, or rather, lack thereof. Comparatively speaking of course in respect to other known explosives. This was an extremely crude and weak explosion apparently, and there was almost no shrapnel compared to what they claimed in the media ( eg: no nails or ball bearings apparently).
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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:14 AM
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Ever see a magician yank a tableloth out from under a set of dishes and glasses without moving them or falling?

Same thing



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:14 AM
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Originally posted by Cabalis

Originally posted by captiva
You know, when you go out on a job and come back you expect to find some debate going on, but no...lets just talk about the Op...Juvenile in the extreme...so back to the photographs.

Here we have some more evidence based on showing 2 things....Firstly there werent that many people between the side walk kerb and the chair area...most were actually behind the chairs...so that kinda rules out the body taking the blast theory and the chairs being untouched.... As you can see most have moved off or are in the entrance to the right of the forum.


Secondly, for those who are suggesting that there were many injuries or lost limbs during blast 2 at the forum., which resulted in bodies taking the full impact....As you can see there are injuries, but its not mass carnage like suggested......Even the tree is untouched... It will be interesting when the injury list is published, to see how many were injured at the site of blast 2.




See how many people there are between the bomb and the objects in question? That is a lot of surface area to absorb the concussive blast and the shrapnel.


Again, this isn't the movies. You have 5 or 6 layers of densly packed people next to the bomb which is next to a malebox. The package is on the ground. Not much of the shrapnel is going to go through all of those people to reach the tables which, by the way, are below the people. As for the tree...what do you think would hapen to it? Blown inhalf and go flying through the air like in "Die Hard?" It probably has many gashes in the trunk, but it is not going to fall down and you can't see them from this distance.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by Hawking
Apparently you're not real familiar with shrapnel

like the kind that could have tore up the cushions and taken out some of the legs of the chairs
hmmmm one would expect that it likely might if one was familliar with shrapnel


Uh, no. If the dense pack of people took all of the shrapnel, the chairs would not be torn up.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by PLAYERONE01

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
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Small Flash/bang explosion that didnt damage surrounding area, nor remove items from a table


As someone has already stated I am pretty confident that the victims would disagree with you on that and show you their absent limbs as proof.

Again I ask,

OP do you believe that there were explosions as the Boston marathon last week.


lol.. maybe an explosion like this:


or this,



maybe this,


your question is absurd as asking if someone they believed there was "A" shot fired the day JFK was assassinated.
the video's I posted above clearly show stunt explosions for entertainment almost mimicking the boston marathon bomb (if you can call it that) in size.
this is a real terrorist bomb notice the difference:




However, the IED (known as a VBIED --Vehicle Born IED--) is most likely comprised of several old artillery shells surrounded by cans of an accelerant like gasoline. Very big and very heavy, which is why they have to be carried in vehicles. You don't get huge fireballs unless you include a large amount of a volatile.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by Senduko
reply to post by muzzleflash
 


Its kinda funny how comments like these are ignored. Lets stick to the vacuum story.

As I sad before, even the chairs are crisp clean and they are snow white. They should atleast be dirty from the smoke. I use a wood fire, if the door is open even a little, I see dust and dirt.

And I will repost this.

Slightly odd no? OR did the masses form a perfect human shield so the cafee would survive.
If an explosion occurs, I imagine those people would DUCK and GRAB and cover their face behind the chair, well that's what I would do.

That would leave some nasty prints on the chair( even if it was just dirt ). Yet windows and chairs clean.


Someone replied that they wouldn't have time to duck. But people will always duck and then run, I have never ever seen someone running when something goes bang. ITs your instinct. Duck, Look and then run.


You can duck and run in 1/3000's of a second? Im certain that anyone left able to move after the explosion would have tried to get away from the area, but the blast was over before anyone knew what happened.

This isn't the movies where the hero "outruns" a fireball.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 09:53 AM
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One of the big problems with the net these days is the way it allows people with no qualifications whatsoever to become amateur incident scene investigators.....This a bit like those guys who keep discovering 'Giant UFOs Orbiting The Sun' or whatever; it's the natural result of people with no applicable skills attemting to interpret complex or specialised data and then posting what amounts to little more than their personal opinion/hopes/fears as some sort of news.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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The lack of everything being destroyed around the blast area actually has quite a simple explanation. To make it simple for folks I will simply ask; How many ball bearings actually fit in a pressure cooker?

Add some gunpowder and a timer and you have even less room for shrapnel. It was an explosive device but it was not like they used shaped charges, C-4 etc etc.

I love a good conspiracy but some of this gets just silly. I wish the Mods would make a rule about Boston threads...



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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Okay out of the pictures posted above here it does raise a huge question in me as to how he got a bag he wasn't seen to be carrying out side the fence and next to a mail box, it does appear to me that the hand bag is in the perfect location for site of the explosion. I am still questioning what ever the Officials tell me because of all of the horrific things they have lied about in the past.

Secondly I in no way doubt that there was a real explosion and that people were really hurt, there is no way that they could get enough people to agree to fake something like this. OP you make a very valid point to question such things, I am sorry that there seemed to be a lot of flaming you for just asking a question on a conspiracy website. This is how we learn by asking.
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posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by squarehead666
One of the big problems with the net these days is the way it allows people with no qualifications whatsoever to become amateur incident scene investigators.....This a bit like those guys who keep discovering 'Giant UFOs Orbiting The Sun' or whatever; it's the natural result of people with no applicable skills attemting to interpret complex or specialised data and then posting what amounts to little more than their personal opinion/hopes/fears as some sort of news.



Tell me about it. I could not have worded this better.

Aside from the fact that I personally know many people who were there and so have a hard time believing they were either duped or are faking it, answer me this:

If the government wanted to create a "false flag" event wouldn't it be easier to just detonate a real friggin bomb? How would "they" benefit by creating all this extra work to stage a fake event with fake limbs blown off and fake blood and fake deaths when the real deal would accomplish the same thing? Or to put it another way: If a bombing attack would achieve some goal, why would faking it be preferable than going with the real deal? Am I supposed to believe there is some nefarious agenda that at its core needs to be staged because "they" care so much about people getting hurt?

These elaborate hoaxes make NO sense. How would a fake bombing accomplish more of an agenda than a real one??? Answer that question first.



posted on Apr, 23 2013 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by captiva
Surely an explosion that ripped through leg tissue would have ripped through cushion foam on chairs, I think so


So all the photos, doctor reports, medical staff, etc.....all fabricated? No one lost a limb because you cannot see the evidence? Down the rabbit hole ATS goes again....
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posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 05:52 AM
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Without closely physically examining the chairs and cushions in question it's unreasonable to say they bear no evidence of being anywhere near an explosion. Explosions are unpredictable things.

You may, or may not, be familiar with this image…





posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 06:14 AM
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I don't see how the suspects would have been easier to detect outside in the street, rather than entering a bar- surely, because much less people would be in a bar/room/whatever it would make it much easier to detect them



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 06:26 AM
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Originally posted by Mamatus
The lack of everything being destroyed around the blast area actually has quite a simple explanation. To make it simple for folks I will simply ask; How many ball bearings actually fit in a pressure cooker?

Add some gunpowder and a timer and you have even less room for shrapnel. It was an explosive device but it was not like they used shaped charges, C-4 etc etc.

I love a good conspiracy but some of this gets just silly. I wish the Mods would make a rule about Boston threads...


So if I take your argument that their was no damage to the chairs or plastic cup still standing due to LACK of shrapnel.....What caused the supposed injuries at the forum cafe?...The Nay-sayers cant have their cake and eat it.

Now wheres my stalker?



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 06:30 AM
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how do we know there was no damage to the chairs still standing? That picture could not possibly show this either way



posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 06:48 AM
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At a rough guess I would imagine you could easily fit 1 to 2 hundred ballbearings in a pressure cooker depending on the size of the pressure cooker and the size of the ballbearings! Just saying! Even a thousand!


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posted on Apr, 24 2013 @ 07:20 AM
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It now seems that it is against the law to ask who those guy were wearing 'Crafts' uniforms and happen to loss a rucksack during the boston bomb attack.

You can shout all you like but this will all be brushed under the carpet just like 9-11 was and the only thing that will changes if that americans are forced to give up more freedoms



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