reply to post by LesMisanthrope
Scientism, although typically atheistic, should also be added to this list of religious options. The discipline of science, which presumes that
the physical/material world is objective, is the search for knowledge and control of objects - not the actual truth. Science involves the observer
abstracting oneself from one's object(s) of study to minimize one's impact on the results. This is all a very useful tool for discovery and there is
no question of the scientific method providing great knowledge.
Such scientifically-discovered knowledge however is not all benign. The method of science, which has the observer abstract himself from the observed,
though useful within the realm of science, is not based in reality or truth. No one arises in a vacuum - everyone and everything arises in a vast
(apparently infinite) field of non-separate relatedness. Everyone is dependently related to one's environment, and others for birth and sustenance.
So while the method of science is useful enough, its need for abstraction and dissociation of the observer allows for false notions about
truth/reality because no one is actually separate from what is arising. This presumption that we are separate allows science, for the sake of
discovery, whether good or bad, to be pursued. In the hands of scientists or any amoral or deluded, idealistic, religious fanatic, science can also be
extremely destructive, as we often see on the news.
The method of dissociation from life is generally what is common among atheism, scientism, and any belief-based forms of theism. To the extent that
they are idealistically-based, this dissociation from life occurs - and this dissociation is what causes great problems in the world.
Scientism has become the new world religion, with its presumptions that only the material world is real and with all of its great power, control, and
knowledge backing it up. Once again, science is fine as a method of discovery of knowledge, but it certainly is not the only method, nor even the best
one for discovering what is actually the truth.
As a world religion or philosophy, science just does not account for the whole picture, and more importantly, it creates a false belief that only the
material world is real, and that matters of consciousness and many other self-evident dimensions of life, are at best inferior to, and arising out of,
the material - if they are even considered to exist at all.
This approach furthers the dissociation between mind and life for not just the scientists but also all the believers in the ultimacy of science. This
allows all kinds of false presumptions to follow, including a sense of superiority and control over all objects and creatures in the world - and the
destruction of life, the environment, etc., is also often justified.
Scientism as a way of life is false - it is abstracted from life, not embracing life - and this allows many to presume only a mental, even amoral,
disposition towards not just scientific discovery but life itself.
Is this what we the people want as our religion, as our way of life? Regardless, this is the new world religion that supports our obsession with
materialistic consumerism along with other notions that we are actually dissociated/separate from our environment and others, and therefore can
exploit them - whereas it is self-evidently obvious that no such abstraction from life is true.
So LesMis, I think scientism should be added to the list of religions, especially since it has become a more acceptable religion than atheism these
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