reply to post by LesMisanthrope
Well considered, as always, LesMisanthrope.
As we have discussed on your "The Materialist Insult" thread, all beliefs whether they be about a deity/deities or the non-existence of any such
deity/deities are all forms of idealism. And it is idealism that keeps us from understanding what reality actually is, and is the root of the ongoing
insanity we can see everyday on the news.
We first have to discover what is real or true by releasing all of our preconceived notions and beliefs, but not just by somehow standing abstracted
from what is arising for us - but by fully participating in life with the whole body-mind. Anything short of recognizing, feeling, acting, and being
the whole singular body-mind altogether, is idealistic.
One can readily observe how idealistic we actually tend to be by simply sitting quietly and allow the body-mind to feel/be from head to toe. Not so
easy to do because of our constant idealistic abstractions - and yet we tacitly know that the "I" and "you" we refer to as ourself and others is the
whole body-mind. (Whether these body-minds are who we actually are in reality, is another matter, but this "whole body" basis is fundamental for that
Even the scientific-materialist tends to be idealistic because they, like many an atheist, have notions that consciousness arises as a result of the
material. But this is only believed to be true based on a kind of atheism relative to what is tacitly obvious when fully participated in. If they look
at the body-mind as a single organism, can they simply feel/be that single organism in every moment? None that I have asked this question of can - so
more idealism must be at work here.
Regardless, it is clear that the whole body-mind must be recognized as singular and whole, and to be fully participating in reality rather than viewed
as disparate parts, abstracted in idealistic belief systems, non-feeling, endless thinking, egoic presumptions of separation, mind vs. body conflicts,
So we first have to realize that we are all tending to be idealistic, regardless of what label(s) we apply, and discover the root of this idealism.
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