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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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In the wild we see how some species instinctively take care of the young when a mother dies. And yet, this is what happened to Hena:

Her cousin raped her.
His wife accused her.
The Imam found her guilty.
Her punishers beat her.
Whoever wrote the autopsy report tried covering up the cause of death by claiming it was a suicide.

Where is our instinct to protect our young?????????????????????????
This tragedy is proof that if we, in the civilized world, were raised in those monstrous regions of the world, we would think and feel no better than them. It is also undeniable proof that we get our morals from the societies we live in and not from some merciless god that is blind and utterly indifferent to the atrocities committed in his name.

I hate religions.
I hate Islam even more than the others.
I hate god.




posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 07:54 PM
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I think that "live and let live" response is a result of politically correct thinking. The labels of culture and religion are used as shields from objective judgment. I get frustrated when I read people basically lying back and taking something instead of agreeing that this or that act of violence is nasty and at the very least warrants the freedom of a good long rant.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 07:58 PM
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It is everywhere. This from India has been on CNN

NPR

Last Monday, the 5-year-old girl went missing from her home in East Delhi after going out to play. She was discovered Wednesday night when neighbors detected muffled cries in a small locked room in the same building where the girl lived. The child's family found her, bleeding and brutalized.

Doctors expressed shock at what had been done to the child. The medical team found a glass bottle and pieces of a candle forced into her private parts. "This is the first time I have seen such barbarism," R.K. Bansal, the medical superintendent of Swami Dayanand Hospital, said in a televised interview.

"There were injuries on her lips, cheeks, arms and anus area; her neck had bruise marks suggesting that attempts were made to strangle her," Bansal added.

Rising public pressure prompted authorities to move the injured girl to one of New Delhi's premier public hospitals. At the All India Institute of Medical Sciences, where girl was shifted, doctors said her vital signs are normal and that she is out of dange


fox news

A 24-year-old man who lived in the room where the girl was found was arrested Saturday in Muzaffarpur town in Bihar state, about 620 miles east of New Delhi, Mishra said. The suspect was flown to New Delhi, where a magistrate ordered that he be held in police custody. Read more: www.foxnews.com...


It is a culture that women are inferior and always to blame that needs to change. We think we are ahead of the game in the west...but just barely.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by cody599

I don't understand
May God forgive me if I ever do


The same goes for me.


Originally posted by TheLieWeLive
This was a message to all the victims of rape in their country. It's their way of saying 'don't ask don't tell' and if you do you'll die. That's the message I'm getting from this.
These Imams aren't condemning rapist, they are warning future victims to not speak up.


Exactly! This is why political correctness (or 'moral relativism') annoys me. We all know in our hearts what is right and what is wrong. When we're all forced to be diplomats for the sake of political interests we are sacrificing our own conscience, reasoning and compassion (in other words, our humanity.) I stand for what is right, not what is politically polite!

I don't see this as a world of sides, divisions and interests. I see this as a world of people who are often at the cruel mercy of sides, divisions and interests! Most people are not Left Wing or Right Ring, religious or atheist, this or that. Most people are just decent but flawed human beings who are trying to live their lives and psychotic crap like this must be called out for what it is! Otherwise, what are we but savages in suits with polite exchanges for the sake of our, and each others', political and business interests?



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 11:36 PM
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The Australian Government wants to tone down ANZAC Day because it might offend Muslims !!! WHAT ??? why is so much effort made to cater for these people, and their archaic beliefs ? they come to your country and dictate what the host country must do please THEM ,if you go to their country you have to obey their beliefs and restrictions OR ELSE !!!! They,[ so we are told] did 9/11 but everyone grovels to please them ! one of them was whipped in Australia for drinking alcohol ,what next ?



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 11:48 PM
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Deplorable and barbaric!

Cody, do you know what country this happened in?

I know full well that Islam is not to blame, radical Islam is to blame.

So many religions are so far out of line it becomes more obvious that they all need to be brought to heel!

This applies in all countries!

This hurts just thinking about it.


P



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 12:30 AM
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Well, you know. If it makes you feel any better.

One, in other Islamic nations I have seen Youtube videos of them hanging rapists.

So, unjust punishments are not a function of Islam.

This is a function of zealotry practiced by extremists in nations far below what most people would consider to be modernized. Iran is a modern moderate Islamic state and Bangledesh is not.

Two. You can expect that due to our charitable nature, and our ability to make choices has a lot to do with where and when we are born into this world. So, if someone is born into a hateful society like this which kills rape victims you can expect that they had some hateful tendencies and inability to make consistent choices that respect the law.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 01:04 AM
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Understand what exactly ?


Understand that there are no two places in this world exactly the same. Different rules, laws, standards, ideas, beliefs, values and cultures are everywhere. While some places do share a lot of similarities there are also many minor differences that grow the further away you look.

My current understanding of why such a hard line is taken to matters involving infidelity is to help protect the family unit and discourage family breakdown. In western cultures where infidelity is more of a right than a crime, the higher rates of divorce does support their argument. In terms of women rights and domestic violence there has been some minor improvements throughout this region, but still quite lacking overall compared to western standards that evolved post World War 2.

The legal system can be one of the slowest moving cultural boarders. Right or wrong, the laws and traditions that have developed over thousands of years have keep their community together and working. Things do change over time as new ideas, information and requirements need addressing. This is where I see the best chance at addressing these and similar problems in a realistic and responsible way.

I also very much understand where you are coming from Cody. Hopefully this public outrage does help get some motivated on finding a better solution.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 01:14 AM
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My current understanding of why such a hard line is taken to matters involving infidelity is to help protect the family unit and discourage family breakdown.



I have say the obvious! How is doing this unspeakable act in any way helping the family unit? I accept and applaud many differences in societies, but this, this unspeakable act is just pure madness.

These practices in no way preserve the family unit nor do they work to protect children. This child was made an example of so that young girls can be raped in a barbaric society.

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posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 02:19 AM
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How does any form of punishment achieve its aims? By setting an example that the rest of the community does not want to follow through fear and intimidation.

What is quite clear is the method of punishment is disturbing. How the victim of an assault was treated is also very problematic. Considering how the death certificate was not properly completed does mean that there is a lot of uncomfortable political pressure going on around these events.

I did find it interesting to learn that Sharia law was banned in Bangladesh 10 years ago, but still being practiced in the more remote parts of the country. It does suggest that there is a big lack of judicial infrastructure throughout the nation with some longer term cultural conflicts still going on.

Legally, there could be quite an interesting case if Dhaka has the political will to trial the men involved with these events. Having access to better legal means and processes would very much help the more remote communities with resolving their conflicts in a more appropriate way.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
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How does any form of punishment achieve its aims? By setting an example that the rest of the community does not want to follow through fear and intimidation.

What is quite clear is the method of punishment is disturbing. How the victim of an assault was treated is also very problematic. Considering how the death certificate was not properly completed does mean that there is a lot of uncomfortable political pressure going on around these events.

I did find it interesting to learn that Sharia law was banned in Bangladesh 10 years ago, but still being practiced in the more remote parts of the country. It does suggest that there is a big lack of judicial infrastructure throughout the nation with some longer term cultural conflicts still going on.

Legally, there could be quite an interesting case if Dhaka has the political will to trial the men involved with these events. Having access to better legal means and processes would very much help the more remote communities with resolving their conflicts in a more appropriate way.


The problem when looked at from the perspective of the world stage is that no one, UN included will ever act on these sorts of barbarism. Bangladesh does not have anything the rest of the world wants. Perhaps aid should be stopped until the Government brings these incidents under control.

The real question is why the Bangladesh Government stands idly by, doing nothing!

P



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 02:51 AM
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Same reason why the Pentagon ignored investigations of child pornography into its employes. Same reason why the church is still slowly dealing with all of its abuse cases. Same reason why this thread is called I'm Angry... It is a very difficult subject to talk about without getting emotionally charged and just wanting to shot someone as all the hate and rage takes over.

Bangladesh is also in a pretty hot spot at the moment as China and India test out the grey area. Appears like more recently China's influence in the region is expanding. It expect there is also quite a diverse cultural mix in the region making finding agreement on anything a lot of hard work.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 04:16 AM
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Didn't I post this same story and it got trashed for being unsuitable for ATS?




posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 04:39 AM
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If your right (which you are), explain why in your country, hundreds of thousands die every year sucked or cut from the womb in an legal act all because the child they created is a inconvenience to their lives.

Many in Muslim countries would call abortion in the America barbaric. Wouldn't you? If you don't then it's a matter of perception then!

We would be more advanced if we addressed the inhumanity in our own countries, cities, neighborhoods and even in our own families first - don't you think?

So the country you live in where you rightly criticize what you have, if full of it's own inhumanity. Will you write a new post about your anger of what goes on in your own backyard?

edit on 22-4-2013 by pacifier2012 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 06:35 AM
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Perspective time. There is no doubt picking on extreme examples of child abuse by imams fuels islamaphobia. BUT they are no different from Christians in western countries. The only difference is that abuse over their is in the open. Over here it goes on behind closed doors: Here's the statistics for UK child abuse for 2011-2012 (you can be guaranteed the US, Canada and European countries will be very similar)

Severe maltreatment

•One in four young adults (25.3%) had been severely maltreated during childhood.


•Around one in five (18.6%) children aged 11-17 have been severely maltreated.


•One in seven young adults (14.5%) had been severely maltreated by a parent or guardian during childhood.


•More than one in eight children aged 11-17 (13.4%) have experienced severe maltreatment by a parent or guardian.

Sexual abuse

•Nearly a quarter of young adults (24.1%) experienced sexual abuse (including contact and non-contact) by an adult or by a peer during childhood.


•One in six children aged 11-17 (16.5%) have experienced sexual abuse.


•Almost one in 10 children aged 11-17 (9.4%) have experienced sexual abuse in the past year. Teenage girls aged between 15 and 17 years reported the highest past year rates of sexual abuse.
See our sexual abuse statistics pages for more information.


Physical violence

•One in nine young adults (11.5%) had experienced severe physical violence during childhood at the hands of an adult.


•One in 14 children aged 11-17 (6.9%) have experienced severe physical violence at the hands of an adult.
See our physical abuse statistics pages for more information.


Neglect

•Neglect was the most prevalent type of maltreatment in the family for all age groups.


•One in six young adults (16%) had been neglected at some point in their childhoods and nearly one in ten (9%) had experienced severe neglect.


•One in seven children aged 11-17 (13.3%) have been neglected. Almost one in ten (9.8%) have experienced severe neglect.
See our neglect statistics pages for more information.


Emotional abuse

•One in 14 young adults (6.9%) experienced emotional abuse during childhood.


•One in 14 children aged 11-17 (6.8%) have experienced emotional abuse.

Experiencing domestic abuse

•Nearly one in four young adults (23.7%) were exposed to domestic violence between adults in their homes during childhood.


•Just under one in five children aged 11-17 (17.5%) have experienced domestic violence between adults in their homes.
See our domestic abuse statistics pages for more information.


Disclosure

•More than one in five children aged 11-17 (22.9%) who were physically hurt by a parent or guardian did not tell anyone else about it.


•More than one in three children aged 11-17 (34%) who experienced contact sexual abuse by an adult did not tell anyone else about it.


•Four out of five children aged 11-17 (82.7%) who experienced contact sexual abuse from a peer did not tell anyone else about it.



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by Rikku
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ha well sorry to sound callous.
but it's like being annoyed because it's raining. its gonna rain anyway.
we all know a strongly worded letter/email will be thrown in the bin before its ever read.
if that eases your conscience-ok, but you new it was futile.
swearing in a gossip section on a internet forum is not how you get things done.



Turning a blind eye and shrugging your shoulders with an "I can't change anything" attitude is not how to get things done, either.

Look at it this way. Cody rants here about this atrocity. He sends his emails and his messages. Maybe, just maybe, someone actually reads what he wrote and it causes that person to think. Perhaps someone reads this thread, and it causes them to think.

That seed has been planted. In the fullness of time, could it grow into something worthwhile? Maybe one of the people reading this will have the power to truly make changes.

The point is, Cody is TRYING to make a difference. Unlike someone who wants to laugh it off and say, "Crap happens."



posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 07:15 AM
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Quoting a whole lot of such figures is a little meaningless. In fact even if you did put a source (which you should have) it can also be meaningless. I offer no insult to you, you have provided no doubt to the best of your ability and your point is well made and accepted by me. Thank you for the reminder that we should clean up our own back yard. Still, my heart aches for this innocent child.

In 1995 I attended a major conference on child abuse as a representative of a Government department. Stats just like this appeared time and time again. I asked for the background material and was given a copy of the originating study. The study only involved females.

Just one example should be sufficient.

Q. As a child, did you ever show anyone your private parts either as a game or because you where asked to. (except by a doctor)

A yes answer was recorded as child abuse and put into stats as you have. Every game of I'll show you mine if you show me yours, every parent checking on an infection or other health need, hell, a child asked to get undressed for bed could tick yes.

Many of these studies have been carried out by people with enormous agendas including major Government funding.

I am very wary of such stats.

Incidentally, I was thrown out of said conference for asking a simple question of a speaker. She started her presentation with a thundering, fist thumping "60% of physical abuse in the home is caused by males of all ages. This must stop and we must work tirelessly to stop this hurt to our sisters."

Thundering applause! I put my hand up. The speaker said "Yes" I asked, "Who causes the other 40% of Physical abuse in the home?" She had security throw me out. I was followed out by all but one of the males present.

As I said, all of these studies that produce such stats are done for a reason.

P


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posted on Apr, 22 2013 @ 07:30 AM
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Thank you smyleegrl
And thank you to all that replied, yes even those that didn't seem to care.
I would like to apologise if this thread upset you any of you, however I can't,

I have calmed down since last night but I, like Jigger that originally posted the story (thanks Jigger) am still boiling inside.




I'm a Muslim, and I'm pissed as well. What kind of a sick and insane person would do this. Once again some uneducated fools have feeded the Islamophobist trolls. Thanks!!!!!!


Probably the most poignant reply; thank you Kemal

I'm not a Muslim, I was raised a Christian but have no religion in my life now (except formula 1 racing)

Now maybe ATS will understand that Islam is not in itself evil, the interpretation of the written word is. As with all faiths IMHO.

Evil has been done the name of religion, in the name of patriotism, and in the guise of good.

ATS in my experience is overall good people trying to make a difference. Sometimes on a personal u2u level, thank you guys, you know who you are. And sometimes as a group attempting to force justice to be done by helping out, signing a petition, or going to a demonstration we were previously unaware of.

So maybe we as group can stop bashing Islam and start bashing misinterpretation and help with misunderstanding

After all the tag line is

Deny ignorance

Cody





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