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Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
After being on this site for awhile, I must admit that I am beginning to question some theories I found ridiculous before. I am now asking members to give me some evidence of their theories.
I will say that I need to study up on, on alterative theories. I would like a "cheat sheet" to get started. My mind has opened some, but what I need is what I have always need in my life is facts.
This thread is open to any and all Proof, or strong documented evidence on any theory. Please refrain from posting videos or link's to blogs that don't quote good verifiable sources.
Here's your chance to present your case with facts, and show a skeptic the way. I am being sincere in this post. The replies from me won't be coming very quick. Because I will review your all your data before I reply.
Other members can and will post counter Evidence, so please link your reply to the proper theory. I will be starting my learning experience from the back of the thread so they all link together.
Let my Education begin.
Originally posted by rockymcgilicutty
reply to post by fairguy
reply to post by Trueman
Thanks for the replies, I will need to let this thread run for a little while before I get back to you.
You both have given me a lot of reading.
I am sorry to have be the first to say this, but your post seems...idk. It seems as if you are mocking the users here.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, I'd start with the Pentagon Papers which took me over a full week to get through in total, and that was by audio "book" (Audio TOME would be more like it). Within that lay the conspiracy which started, fueled and would have carried the Vietnam War into a full Southeast Asian regional war had Daniel Ellsberg not risked all to bring it to public view.
Next I'd look to the Church and Pike Congressional Committees following the Vietnam era and uncovering such helpful things as MKULTRA and the use of extreme mind altering substances on human test subjects to develop intelligence methods.
Related but absolutely separate are the "Red Files" kept by LAPD and other major city departments to track and infiltrate dissident movements inside the United States during the 1960's and early 70's. Some major PD Intelligence divisions became more like mini-CIA stations than police department efforts.
Of course one of the greatest conspiracies of our time (Some of 'our' times anyway) is one all but forgotten and a shame for that too. The lessons it carried are very important today. Of course, I mention the Iran / Contra Scandals which nearly destroyed a Presidency and Government. It formed the basis many of us grew up through formative years, watching on TV ..and if it wasn't a conspiracy mixed within a larger conspiracy, what was? lol... Guns, Rebels, Middle Eastern villains and shady characters with a 1980's Miami Vice theme of dirty politicians with drug running all thrown into the cupcake. Quite a cupcake it made too. Downright toxic if you ask me.
Then we have the more speculative like Project Rainbow (The USS Eldridge and Philadelphia Harbor) but you just asked for ones which have been established as fact beyond question for happening. I'd say the above is a start, anyway?
Links, Links and more Links
^^^ Those are links from FAS.com that start with things like the School of the Americas, summarized in a 2000 report near the bottom...to an extensive section on the Patriot Act and more. Enough to keep a person busy finding more to add, to be sure.
Originally posted by dainoyfb
What I get from many of the posts above and in many other recent posts is that for whatever reason, be it the cognitive architecture of the human brain, emotional influence, level of of experience or something else; a great many people have an inability to make a distinction between speculation, evidence and proof.
Originally posted by Aliensun
One does have to wonder about the practicality if not logic of your thread, but I'll seriously try to help you with my own proof but I doubt you will be swayed..
I underwent a two-hour UFO abduction experience in 1964. It was a bright light in the sky and they took control of my actions. Under hypnosis to recall the details of the event, I remembered nothing of the actual experience except the before and after. My "evidence" you required is my personal experience--at least, it works for me.
I now think that the ETs are democrats and I have become more of a democrat over the years. Formerly, I was a typical redneck with little hope of changing. (Honest, this is true.)
Did this help?
You know, two types of people are drawn to conspiracies, those that are bat guano crazy and those that are smart enough not to believe everything that TPTB tell them. How are you going to separate the two...or just lump us all together in you study?