Assesment of Boston bomb injuries [Some blood, no gore]

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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 10:07 PM
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First off let me say my first post with unedited pictures was removed for gore, hence the edited pictures now.

I think I have done lots to give examples that discredit what is said if you read the opening post.

The gap he is talking about is labled in picture 1 I think #2. that gap is some rod or object used to tighten up a tourniquet. See the example with the sticks. I can show you another angle, need to edit it first, where that tourniquet has multiple layers of fabric. Which one is stopping the blood flow? I dont know, and neither does he.

He is taking a lot of liberties with his assesment. He chose to put words in people mouths such as see the guy kneeling, giving directions to the guy in white to prepare for acting. I wasnt there, for all I know he was telling the guy damn I could go for starbucks right now, but I assume its I need something.

He has all the answers off of pictures buy putting words in peoples mouths. That lady thats giving hand signals, how does he know that. She could be dazed because she just got blown up. Explosions do wierd things to peoples thought processes. I have seen IED's where people just walked around dragging their weapon while PKM fire was incoming. Is that logical? No, and neither is putting on sunglasses.

I assessed what I can see based off of my training, and expirence. I am retracting this statement here as it was insulting to mysticpearl...I am sorry.

Did you read my post, or just come here and jump on the band wagon. Show me where in my OP I am wrong...please show me. I want my arguement to be disproven, just so I can do more research on this.
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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout11cav
reply to post by MysticPearl
 




I assessed what I can see based off of my training, and expirence. But whatever, lets keep ignorance strong on this site.


And that is where you lost me. It's fine to have different opinions. It's fine to present arguments. It's fine to disagree. But when you take the next step and imply anyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is ignorant, I won't waste my time with you.

Attempting to add in strawman, personal insults to make your post more valid? No time for that.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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I agree, that was uncalled for and I will edit that out if you want. I have no desire to run you off for disagreeing. You are pointing out facts that I covered in OP telling me to discredit....As I said I assesed off of the medical portion, not assumptions on what people are saying



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 10:21 PM
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Mykah I have sent you a U2U. If you dont see them then here it is
First let me say, your posts are good. I disagree with your assesments in some, as they seem solely geared towards one outcome, and you talk alot of liberties in assumptions of what people are saying or guestering

Second I have no desire to discredit you. I had nothing to do with your other post getting deleted. I want you to shoot down my theories as you are in EMS. Show me where I am wrong. I want my post to be perfect and I am open to changing my opinion if the thruth is shown. I am not a shrill, this is just my expertise. Mas cas/ trauma and bombs. I know it better then anything else in this world.

If you make a post, I will warn you that if your OP has any gore, it will be removed. Not by me, but by mods. I had more pics and a break down similar to yours, but edited it after having it deleted. Feel free to use my post to counter my OP as you see fit.

We are EMS. I sympathyize for our brothers that went thru this, as you should know mas cas events are the most traumatic for EMS personnel as you have to make hard decisions to forego treatment of living people to save others.



posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 10:31 PM
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Here's one point of yours I question. You said the woman in red has a head injury. You acknowledged she does not have any blood on her after the explosions as we see here. This picture lends itself to the theory she has no head injury whatsoever. At least external.




Then, you say when looking at the picture of her with a bloody towel, that she must have a head injury and that's why she has the towel up to her head as we see here.




As someone who's had two serious head injuries, the blood is apparent immediately. The fact she had on a white shirt under her jacket and no blood on her in any picture other than the one on a stretcher is very odd. No blood after the blast for multiple frames, yet covered in blood on the stretcher?

And you say head injuries take precedence over controlled blood injuries. I agree, to an extent. Not when there's a double amputee sitting right next to her and she shows no signs of a head injury, as we see in pictures after the blast.

The image I want to post isn't censored so I won't, but it's the one maybe a minute after the blast where the double amputee is lying there, on his right side, left leg in the air, while the woman in red is mysteriously suddenly gone, and we have people offering assistance both to the person on his right and to his left, while he's ignored. The idea three people in the double amputee's direct vicinity would be helped first, the woman in red along with the other two is ridiculous in my eyes.

There is no blood dripping from the guys raised left leg either. What's more telling to me is this picture right after the blast




where again we see no blood spilled from the double amputee. We have a lady laying there with no blood on her head or neck, or white shirt, who's considered a priority over a double amputee, then we see her covered in blood minutes later on a stretcher, which is very odd, and that's in addition to the double amputee not shown bleeding at any point. Not even the minute after the blast. That just doesn't happen.

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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by cavscout11cav



OMG! Why wasn't his hair scorched by the blast?

Apparently, his hair was scorched only after he was picked up from the ground, but not before:

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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by tropic

Originally posted by cavscout11cav




Forget the hair, and this was the pic I was looking for but this one is censored, but the much larger issue to me is why everyone in this pic is being attended to besides the guy who apparently had his legs blown off.

Doesn't fit to me nor seem logical, even if head injuries are deemed the larger concern. That is not a valid excuse for what this pic is showing.

And we're supposed to believe paramedics came and not only attended to the lady in the red jacket, but pciked her up and put her on a stretcher first, while completely ignoring this guy. So the lady laying there with no blood on her head or white shirt, sitting right next to the double amputee had paramedics come up, ignore the double amputee, assume she was at greater risk and attended to and moved her while not even checking on the guy who had both legs blown off, with inches of her?

Also a question I'd ask, where did the guys shoes go? If he actually had two full legs beforehand, where's the shoes? Also seems odd he has both legs blown off while a number of people within inches of him don't even appear to have lost a finger, let alone have much blood on them.
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posted on Apr, 20 2013 @ 11:36 PM
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Before anyone starts saying I'm saying its fake or whatever, let me state right now from the beginning I'm not.

But theres one question tho. Honestly I've been looking through the pictures and I cant find the guy that lost his both legs before the explosion in any photo.

Did anyone find a picture of him before the blast?



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 12:59 AM
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I'm sorry this is taking so long to respond, I am at work and at the whim of calls

Originally posted by MysticPearl
Here's one point of yours I question. You said the woman in red has a head injury. You acknowledged she does not have any blood on her after the explosions as we see here. This picture lends itself to the theory she has no head injury whatsoever. At least external.

There is a picture, I will try to find it, where her right hand is in the air, with blood on it. I will post it as soon as I find it. I have no idea where here head injury is. She is reaching for her head, what would you do if something hit you in the head. Its reflex. Now look at her hair. The amount of hair a patient has, relates to how much blood is absorbed.


As someone who's had two serious head injuries, the blood is apparent immediately. The fact she had on a white shirt under her jacket and no blood on her in any picture other than the one on a stretcher is very odd. No blood after the blast for multiple frames, yet covered in blood on the stretcher?

In your case yes, blood was immediate. It is dependant on site of injury. Facial trauma bleed more than scalp trauma due to the large amount of vascular capilaries in the face. As I said there is a pic of blood on her right hand that has blood after she put it thru her hair.


And you say head injuries take precedence over controlled blood injuries. I agree, to an extent. Not when there's a double amputee sitting right next to her and she shows no signs of a head injury, as we see in pictures after the blast.

What do you consider a head injury. She has blood, which leads to some impact. You may be thinking open head injury. I am thinking more closed head injury with rising inter cranial pressure. Look at her eyes on the stretcher. Have you ever looked at someone in the face as they are dying (not saying dying that second but someone whose injuries are leading to death). I have, and thats what it looks like. Head injuries lead to multiple problems, cushings triad which is the result of a head injury is hypertension (lowering of blood pressure), bradycardia (slowing of the heart) and irregular respirations. I stated in OP that, that look is the look of someone losing their vision as in passing out from head injury or respiratory problem (on the road to death). Head injury is always more serious than controlled bleeding look at the start triage in OP.


The image I want to post isn't censored so I won't, but it's the one maybe a minute after the blast where the double amputee is lying there, on his right side, left leg in the air, while the woman in red is mysteriously suddenly gone, and we have people offering assistance both to the person on his right and to his left, while he's ignored. The idea three people in the double amputee's direct vicinity would be helped first, the woman in red along with the other two is ridiculous in my eyes.

Did you read the PDF on start triage? It specifically states "where do you start....at your feet". You start at who you get to first, not who you think you needs you most. You attempts to stop any immediate life threat, leave them to triage the next person. Everyone gets a color code. Reds go first...breathing, circulatory or memory problem. I cannot see in that pic if any belt or constrictor has been placed on the patient....The no bleeding was covered in OP as well with a link..if you need more I can provide.


There is no blood dripping from the guys raised left leg either. What's more telling to me is this picture right after the blast

The no bleeding was covered in OP as well with a link..if you need more I can provide.



where again we see no blood spilled from the double amputee. We have a lady laying there with no blood on her head or neck, or white shirt, who's considered a priority over a double amputee, then we see her covered in blood minutes later on a stretcher, which is very odd, and that's in addition to the double amputee not shown bleeding at any point. Not even the minute after the blast. That just doesn't happen.


People are conditioned to expect squirting blood because thats what they see in movies. Every new EMT I work with always remarks how little blood is there on a complete amputation. Triage is not perfect. People who are alive are labled dead (expectant---dead) due to the person doing triage not seeing signs that the person can sustain life for any period of time based off of RPM (respiratory, pulse, memory). There have been black tags that have been transported after all others and still lived. There are flaws in triage. The one thing you can not take out of the personnel doing triage is emotion. Babies and women are historically over triaged getting red tag instead of black, or red tag instead of yellow or green. I



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 02:19 AM
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I nominate all of those actors for an emmy.
/end sarcasm/

If anything was fake or staged it would be fake plants on the side to make the area look presentable and tables and flags staged for people to sit and to give Countries their respect.

All in my humble opinion, of course.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 03:05 AM
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Tropic and mystic I have not forgotten you. I will review your posts tomorrow. I see some interesting info you are raising. Its 4 am I just worked an arrest and an accident. Still have 24 hours of the shift left



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by cavscout11cav
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so jeff has the same shirt in both photos after what is presumably years???

regard the direction of the shadow (red arrows) cast by the head of the lady on the
left onto her body. now regard the direction of the shadow cast by the bat in the
hand of the girl on the left!!! where are the equivalent head shadows of the others????


regard jeffs fingers on both sides of the placard. notice anything odd? also regard the unnatural
look and impossible angle of the lady's fist in relation to her arm and the 2D look of the bat!


regard the eyes (or lack thereof) and other strange features of jeff and the girl on the right.
hmmmm!!!???


the top photo is a photoshop creation. full stop!

THIS HOAX IS BUSTED WIDE OPEN!!!! (as it was meant to be, i am sure!).

thank you very much.
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 03:43 AM
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I would love for the victims who lost their limbs to one day (after they've recovered from their ordeal) find out that they were considered actors. Their outrage would be impressive. Imagine going through something like that, having your legs taken away from you, having to go through rehabilitation, physiotherapy, get new prosthetics (if wanted), learn how to use them, the time, the energy, the pain... all to learn that people suspected you of being an actor for some higher agenda, that your pain and your loss which can only be sympathised by others who have also lost limbs counts for nothing, as long as it fits other people's ideas.

Whether this was a set-up or a true attack... I don't even know any more, this place makes my head spin... I don't believe any of these people were 'acting'. I do genuinely believe they were real victims, taking part in what should have been a fun day. It makes me so angry that people have to roar at shadows, and suspect everything is a cover up.
I'm not saying there are no cover ups. I'm just saying, not everything is...

I appreciate the time and the effort the OP went to to help set some things right, a job I certainly don't envy considering how the images of Jeffrey Bauman have haunted me since they appeared. Kudos.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 04:21 AM
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I really cannot believe that some people on this thread are questioning whether the injuries are real. We all saw the explosion among the packed crowd, so its inevitable that there would be injuries.

S&F OP



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by Mykah
This entire thread is a reaction to points I raised originally in a different thread. Since exposing this to be a false flag my work was censored and I was banned from the David Icke forums. I then brought my observations here yesterday, since then the OP has thrown his credentials on the table time and time again while questioning mine in an attempt to discredit my observations. This is an incomplete analysis with only 3 photographs, no series of time, and no frame by frame analysis. His observations are aneqdotal and do not speak to the series of events that are presented when viewing the situation as a whole. He also edited out one of the most important parts, the gap in the tourniquet.

I do not doubt his experience so much as his motives. I will be creating my own thread tomorrow with an in depth analysis of every photo available which pertains to this staged event rather then pander to this half baked rebuttle to what was originally my own ideas and observations.

You are being told this false flag was real by an ex-army personel. Just step back and think about that before making up your mind.

This will be my last post in this thread.


i'm with you Mykah, and i think my last post proves you right and the OP wrong.
i got banned from the icke forums for presenting similar evidence to you (and for
warning people to re-watch diehard4 in anticipation of events to come - i started a
thread here with a similar diehard4 warning and it was wiped from the boards along
with any and all post records from my profile.)

something stinks in denmark.



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by MysticPearl

Originally posted by tropic

Originally posted by cavscout11cav




Forget the hair, and this was the pic I was looking for but this one is censored, but the much larger issue to me is why everyone in this pic is being attended to besides the guy who apparently had his legs blown off.

Doesn't fit to me nor seem logical, even if head injuries are deemed the larger concern. That is not a valid excuse for what this pic is showing.

And we're supposed to believe paramedics came and not only attended to the lady in the red jacket, but pciked her up and put her on a stretcher first, while completely ignoring this guy. So the lady laying there with no blood on her head or white shirt, sitting right next to the double amputee had paramedics come up, ignore the double amputee, assume she was at greater risk and attended to and moved her while not even checking on the guy who had both legs blown off, with inches of her?

Also a question I'd ask, where did the guys shoes go? If he actually had two full legs beforehand, where's the shoes? Also seems odd he has both legs blown off while a number of people within inches of him don't even appear to have lost a finger, let alone have much blood on them.
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if your legs are blown off as indicated, you have 40 seconds before your
body is completely drained of blood. you would be screaming, ghost white and
unconcious within 20 seconds.
if people cannot see how fake this blood in terms of it's colour and viscosity, then
there is little hope of progress here on the webs no.1 rated conspiracy site.
also our cowboy hat hero testifies that he saw jeff on fire, put the fire out, stemmed
the blood flow and led him to safety and attention on a wheelchair.
where is the fire? jeff on fire? anyone?
(i have a strange feeling that this thread could be wiped. i wonder why?)
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
I would love for the victims who lost their limbs to one day (after they've recovered from their ordeal) find out that they were considered actors. Their outrage would be impressive. Imagine going through something like that, having your legs taken away from you, having to go through rehabilitation, physiotherapy, get new prosthetics (if wanted), learn how to use them, the time, the energy, the pain... all to learn that people suspected you of being an actor for some higher agenda, that your pain and your loss which can only be sympathised by others who have also lost limbs counts for nothing, as long as it fits other people's ideas.

Whether this was a set-up or a true attack... I don't even know any more, this place makes my head spin... I don't believe any of these people were 'acting'. I do genuinely believe they were real victims, taking part in what should have been a fun day. It makes me so angry that people have to roar at shadows, and suspect everything is a cover up.
I'm not saying there are no cover ups. I'm just saying, not everything is...

I appreciate the time and the effort the OP went to to help set some things right, a job I certainly don't envy considering how the images of Jeffrey Bauman have haunted me since they appeared. Kudos.


i am an amputee with a below knee prosthesis. i know the pain just as much as i know
that these people are fakes. the evidence screams far louder than any empty appeal to
emotion you can make.
have you any comment to make (or you OP) on the clearly photoshopped (computer generated)
photograph showing a younger 'jeff' holding up the run sign that i posted here a few posts ago?

let's be having you then!
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 05:08 AM
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At midday, the sun is directly overhead, the shadows are exactly what I would expect to see. The woman on the left is craning her head slightly to her left, creating an elongated shadow over her left side slightly. The sun being directly overhead creates and under-chin and under-brow shadow, creating the darkness around his eyes...
Facial composition, bone structure and muscle position creates the shadows or lack of.
No offence, but the asian woman on the right doesn't have deep set eyes, hence the lack of shadows around her eyes, whereas caucasians often have eyes that are set deeper into the skull and a more pronounced brow, creating more of a shadow around the face.

Not to mention the fact that the two women are standing at an angle, and the one on the right is holding her little sign at an angle, creating a slightly different shaped shadow.

The shadowing between his fingers and below them create the illusion of them being elongated or pointed... Are you even looking, or just seeing what you want to see...

I'm sorry for the loss of your leg, but if you're going to ignore simple biology and science, I think you might be lacking more than that...
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posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by OutonaLimb

Originally posted by cavscout11cav
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so jeff has the same shirt in both photos after what is presumably years???

regard the eyes (or lack thereof) and other strange features of jeff and the girl on the right.
hmmmm!!!???


the top photo is a photoshop creation. full stop!

THIS HOAX IS BUSTED WIDE OPEN!!!! (as it was meant to be, i am sure!).

thank you very much.


wow... have these actors eyes including eyeballs turned jet black cause they worship and are in service to the dark side?

pathetic how taxdollars go toward graphic designers on fed payroll pumping out this digitalized crap.. & the public fallin for it!



posted on Apr, 21 2013 @ 05:34 AM
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One of the victims of the 7/7 bombings in the UK was harassed by people accusing her of being an actor. They had managed to get a hold of her email and telephone number and literally accused her of lying and being an actor in a 'false flag.' I mean, to go through that and have people leaking their hatred into your life is literally obscene.

In my opinion (nothing more) modern society has created a sub-population who have lost their empathy. In that way, the mangled limbs and blood loss is nothing more than the fake stuff in movies and cartoons.

I looked at that poor guy in the wheelchair and felt myself being in that chair and looking down at my legs. It made me feel awful for him and we can't imagine how people in that situation overcome it and go on to have good lives.





 
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